Medicare for all

So who pays for it? Will there be rationing? Will there be means testing?

My experience since the ACA was mandated is my premiums sky rocketed, forcing me to take super high deductibles, neither of which I can afford. There is no alternative payment plans (cash). And I do not want be on welfare, yes, that's what the subsidy is.

I second what Chunky wrote. As a person that is a payer of taxes I am tired of free health care, free phones, free food, free college, free housing, free child care.....more than willing to help those in need but when will it stop?

Medicare is a program where the government takes money from from some and redistributes to others to pay for those folks health care. In other words taking from the rich and giving to the poor, not the other way around. The GOP failed to replace Obama Care. The Democrats created that program and they along with a hand full of the GOP own it for good or bad.

Medicare is funded by payroll taxes, SS taxes, trust found investments and by people not eligible for premium free Part A. Taking from those that pay and redistribution to those that do not.

And those who provided their time and resources will be blessed. The entire Gospel of Jesus Christ is to change hearts, to be guided by conscience. To ask if your actions allow you to sleep at night.

One could argue health care would not be needed at all if not for the sin in our world. Greed and self worship is at the heart of all disease, I'm a living example of such.

So let's stay focused on the subject. Who is going to pay for"Medicaid for All"?

Yes.

Why not have 2 choices? One can choose a private system or a public system. Veterans have that choice.

Nothing show's the dichotomy of American ideology better than the health care debate. For some, being on the public option (welfare) is great. One never has to worry about what goes in one's mouth, or lungs, and other life choices, the outcome is the same. The public pays for your care regardless of how you treat your body.

For the rest of us, watching what we eat, being active and making wise decisions, being responsible for our actions, we want the choice of how we pay for our health care.

It boils down to personal responsibility. Some crave it, others avoid it. Those who crave responsibility, want equal opportunity. Those who despise it, want equal outcomes.

Americans want choice, that's what separates us from the rest of the world.

I agree CPB. I want the opportunity to become more. I want the ability to exceed expectations. I want to be better than the next at what I do.

I'm NOT ok with being the same as the next, Doing the same as the next, Having the same as the next, Looking the same as the next, I'm an American, I expect myself to be more, and the more successful I am, the better I feel about myself. Who really wants to be the same as the next guy, and why?

Jesus says to place my faith in Him, not sinful man. He says to love God and your neighbor. Note that Christian health Coop's are awash in cash to pay members medical bills. Anyone can join and your "premium" is based on income. Bills to the hospital are paid on the cash basis. There are no mandates and is all voluntary. Requires little effort, therefore God blessed. People also tend to take better care of themselves in this system.

In the insurance system, health care is based on what the doctor orders and what the insurance company will pay. Not a real caring system and expensive for both insured and provider. Look at the coercion and mandates this system requires to get people to participate, usually not a system God likes. Personal care is usually overlooked due to time constraints from working longer hours to pay for this. With the government subsidizing this plan, it creates huge distortions in prices. Subsidies are created to mask inefficiencies in the system.

Under single payer, call it what it is, government forced, who sets up the pricing on both sides? Who determines the quality? As with any welfare system, the consumer loses the motivation to be efficient (healthy), hospitals become inefficient due to understaffing of quality employees. Just look at the VA.

Across this nation, millions of followers of Jesus are doing their part to alleviate the suffering of the neighbors, are you doing your part?

Chunky, I believe you are correct regarding helping the poor vs enabling them. At one time in our history the US had no governmental welfare. Today we have more people on food stamps and other forms of welfare-including health care- than ever before. Has all this welfare helped reduced the suffering of the poor or kept them trapped within the system? Few would not offer to provide assistance to those in need. Most middle to upper income people pay to the government all they make from Jan. 1 until near the end of May, this in the form of taxes. A sizable portion goes to welfare. This is a redistribution of wealth. Many of the poor are poor because of circumstances beyond their control. Some are poor because they have made poor choices like having children they could not afford to care for, not applying themselves in free public schools, getting an advanced education, choosing drugs, alcohol, tobacco, choosing not to work.... Thessalonians tells us," Anyone unwilling to work should not eat. For we hear that some of you are living in idleness, mere busybodies not doing work. Now such persons we command and extort in theLord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and earn their own living." Ezekiel tells us to give as a way to help get the poor started in helping themselves. Give in times of great distress and for only a short duration. Maybe the Corinthians is the guide to what those who follow a more conservative agenda follows. "Give what you have decided in your own heart, not with regret or under compulsion." The key words are "give", not have the government take. And "under compulsion", not forced to pay. Today we have more social programs funded by redistribution than ever before. We have created a cycle of keeping the poor, poor. Our county has spend billions on such programs and still we have, as the Bible says always the poor. Some are, as I said poor because of circumstances beyond their control. Those we should CHOOSE to help. Giving not under compulsion and giving to help move people out of poverty not keeping them on a government hand out are guidelines to follow.

You covered that very well Dennis. I wish I had your brain.

You are no slouch Chunky. But thanks.