Nuggets of truth

Well Said, and AMEN.

Appropriate truths.

Matthew Henry makes the following commentary about Ecc 10:16! He expounds on the difference between chronological age and childish actions.

"I. How much the happiness of a land depends upon the character of its rulers; it is well or ill with the people according as the princes are good or bad. 1. The people cannot be happy when their princes are childish and voluptuous (v. 16): Woe unto thee, O land! even the land of Canaan itself, though otherwise the glory of all lands, when thy king is a child, not so much in age (Solomon himself was young when his kingdom was happy in him) as in understanding; when the prince is weak and foolish as a child, fickle and fond of changes, fretful and humoursome, easily imposed upon, and hardly brought to business, it is ill with the people. The body staggers if the head be giddy."

Didn't mother nature exist before father god? In the neighborhood of some odd billion years?

Actually pagans were curiously enough the original "satanists" Not worshiping satan whatsoever, but the greatness of the earth. The early church had to demonize them to guarantee the spread of itself. That is also why you see many pagan customs and important dates implemented into the christian religion as well. This made assimilation for the "pagans' easier.

Wow thats great so what is your point? I don't acept these as "truths" so what?

If the three main religions of the world were done away with, a lot of the war would go away as well. I quit believing in the myths of christianity a long time ago, and the older I get, the more I'm inclined to believe I made the right choice. My life has less confusion and clutter in it than that of most "christians". They sould tax the churches like they do the rest of us.

Histories of ages past

Unenlightened shadows cast

Down through all eternity

The crying of humanity

It is then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man

Comes singing songs of love

Then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man

Comes singing songs of love

"Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy", he sang

"Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy

Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy", he sang

"Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy", he sang

Here comes the Roly Poly Man and he's singing songs of love

"Roly poly, roly poly, roly poly, poly", he sang

"Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy", he sang

"Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy", he sang

Donovan

old grouch,

Having read you paragraph, I come to the conclusion that you were never Christian to start with. The Faith and the never-ending work involved became an inconvenience, so quitting, or more appropriately, never starting, became easy. Please explain what your vision of a Christian is, or should be.

Damu,

Care to offer up any proof or your satan statement.

Also Damu, how could mother nature herself have formed? Did God create her? And if so, why would He need her?

Chunky Peanut Butter

I can answer that... First ....I will tell you that I beleve that the idea of " a male god" is a very primative one so mabe you can understand where I am comming from....but that is neither here nor there.

OUR GREAT CREATOR (that which is both male and female and ALL things that make up our universe) created Mother Earth and Father Sun to make a place for us (all of the children) to live. Yes The Great Mystrious one created our benovelent Mother and Father. They are not gods...they are Mother and Father. To honor them and their contribution is to honor our GREAT CREATOR! I beleive there is a comandment to this affect!!!!

Christians have obsession with power maddness. That is why they dismiss the obvious and proven scietific facts of today.

I was raised catholic. They were never able to pursuade to follow them. When I was beaten with yard sticks because I questioned their teaching they lost any hope of recuting me into their ranks. If a religion has to be beaten into a child then what value is it???!!!

Also satan does not exist...only the perverse proclivity of man exisits. If we can imagin it... it can exisit...and the more people that exist the more preverse we get.(an argument for population control)!

Study the native American religions...study Buddisim....study the REAL teachings of Christ...not the ones preverted in the king james version of the bible...study ALL the religions you can if you want to find the truth!!!

You will find that the message they teach are the same.The same"god"brought all of them to us.

Christianity is a practice in following power mad MEN who beleive only in their own power bestowed on them by their genitals!!!! Fater god...indeed!!!!

Peace Chunky

Karen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/holidays2.htm

In response to your other question CPB. What created god?

kaygee,

I tried very hard to read your post. I don't think I read a complete thought in all your paragraphs. But then you mentioned native American religions (hinduism), and buddhism, and your thinking on religion became quite clear to me. You are looking for a religion (buddhism, hinduism and etc.) that their god(s) will somehow glorify you. As opposed to Christianity, where your ultimate goal is for you to glorify God, the creator, through Jesus Christ.

There is no Commandment that even remotely suggests we honor God by honoring mother nature and father sun. In fact the opposite is true, by placing mother nature and father sun with God, the Creator, you are placing a false god before God, the creator.

Please don't say peace when spewing venom.

Christianity is a life, not a practice, where those who believe, carry on the life of Jesus Christ, to treat out fellow humans is good, or even better, than we treat ourselves. Unfortunately, so few follow it.

Another interesting question, do you believe that in the time and place depicted in the bible that Jesus would have been snow white like he is depicted in illustrations?

Damu,

First, the Bible does state God the Creator, was here before the creation of the heavens and Earth. I have no reasons to doubt it, works for me.

Given the location of Jesus' birth, in relation to the distance from the equator, and his parents heritage, it should be obvious His skin color would be dark, due to the presence of melanin. His hair color would also be dark brown or black.

Mother's heritage, that is!

Sorry Chunky that you cannot see the wisdom of my words. I have studied as many of the worlds religions as I can find....your conclusions about me are wrong. I know most christians beleive that to seek knowledge beyond the bible is wrong. It takes the power from the old white men that control the religion. And we cannot have that. Do not question the establisment!!!

I truly wish only peace to all...which apparently makes me some kind of freak!

I am not seeking because I have found MY truth. And it sure isnt in the christain religion. Too riged and freakisly male dominated and controlling.

I do really respect your view but find it uninformed because of your inability to comprehend any thing that is outside the christian brainwashing you have been sujected to.

I am only defending my perspective...if you find that I am venting...oh....sorry... spewing veniom then I am Very sorry. You miss understand me.

If you wish to have a productive, open minded discussion please let me know.

Once again

PEACE Karen

DAMU

Thank you for the links, I have seen them before but but a excellent addition to this thread!

Peace

Karen

@CPB To bad I find great entertainment in people who enjoy propagating that logical fallacy :).

Did you happen to look at the links I provided?

I'm curious why the council was needed? Why would they choose assorted books for the bible? The whole thing is gods word translated by man correct? Shouldn't the word of god be in it's entirety? (This is somewhat of a loaded question since the majority of the authors of the "Books" didn't actually witness the events they wrote about.)

Here are a few other questions for you. Why would the ancient civilizations worship assorted other gods before the advent of Christianity? In the bible God seems pretty adamant that he is the only one (matter of fact they have the commandment of not worshiping false idols.) Okay, now why wouldn't he reveal himself to these ancient civilizations?

@CPB Just a couple more things. I'm going to guess that you can look at the Muslim religion and see how ridiculous it is. Along with Mormonism, Scientology, ect, my question for you is why is Christianity different? They all have the same basic structure, they are all monotheistic, and yet somehow yours is correct?

GO DAMU Go!!!!!!!

kaygee,

Christianity is not about the seeking of knowledge, it is about doing, doing the work Jesus Christ showed us by example. The other religions you listed don't do that, they are all about "spiritual enlightenment". Meaning you sit on your butt and do nothing but study. If going out into this world and actually helping your fellow human, rather than hoping the best for them, is somehow brainwashing, then brainwashed I am. My mind is obviously more open than yours, and I will defend it.

Damu,

Yes, I read the links. Do they bolster your argument? No. Does anyone really know or care, let alone honor tammuz? No, we are celebrating the birth of Christ Jesus. I would the living breathing Christ has defeated tammuz by celebrating his birthday on this day.

Those ancient civilizations all knew of God the creator, long before there worship of pagan gods, as stated in Genesis. They had the opportunity to reject their false gods and follow the path of Jesus, and they choose not to. Most no longer exist.

The Word of God is in the Bible, as it was told to the profits, who painstakingly wrote it down. There were four witnesses in the New Testament, who recorded their accounts. There is the well educated Paul, who wrote the letters to all the early Churches. Titus, Timothy and all the others testimony is also recorded. So if you must, continue denying.

Christianity vs. mormonism. Continuing the work of the Christ vs. the hopes of being a god of your own universe is you recruit new members. Shouldn't be tough one to figure out. Not monotheistic, many minor gods.

Christianity vs. Scientology. The work of a living Christ vs. moral relativism. Think about it. Again, not monotheistic, no god at all.

Christianity vs. Islam. Many parallels until the profit Mohammad steps in.

Chunky, YOU ARE SO WRONG ABOUT THAT!!!!. You are an ignorant fool if you believe what you just posted. You obviously know nothing about the other religions of this world or the universe around you if you say theese things. If you do not seek knoweldge about the religions and universe around you then there is no hope for you or your kind.You seek nothing else but the things that tell you that you are the end all be all, and do not seek enlightment.

SEEK AND YOU SHALL KNOW!!!!

I live my religion ...that means that I do good when I can and I do no harm when I cant.

The "god" that guides me wants me to learn all I can about the universe around me and allows me to find my own truths and follow the path that I was born to follow and do the deeds I was born to accomplish.

I hold the teachings of ALL the profits of the ages in my heart and I practice them in every way I can.

Chunky ...I do not hold your belifs against you...I honor your belifes and respect your views!! If that is the truth of your soul then you are blessed.

I only ask that you make a time and space to learn about my point of view and consider that I have a valid religion too.

"GOD" brings us to our belefs as individuals through our life experiences...so no one can tell another what to beleive or what is right and wrong because no one can know what lies in the hearts of others or what others have experiencend in their life.

Judge not unless you be judged. A bible quote if i remember correctly!!!! I am kinda rusty on bible quotes!

PEACE AN LOVE CHUNKY

Karen

CPB, You do realize just like the illustrations in the bible, the date of Jesus's birth could not have been in the winter based on the descriptions contained within it correct?

Mormonism doesn't have many minor gods. The parallels with christianity are easy to see. Aside from the more nonsensical Indians are red because they were bad. Actually just watch the episode of south park about it that gives you all the info you need to know.

A few more interesting parallels between other religions to christianity. The pre-Christian God Mithras - called the Son of God and the Light of the World - was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. By the way, December 25 is also the birthday of Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

Don't you find it strange that Easter and Christmas are both celebrated on dates, that based on the periods in time the bible talks about the events taking place couldn't have happened on the dates there currently celebrated?

"Judge not unless you be judged."

-- Posted by kaygee on Fri, Jul 9, 2010, at 1:15 AM

"Christianity is a practice in following power mad MEN who beleive only in their own power bestowed on them by their genitals!!!! Fater god...indeed!!!!"

-- Posted by kaygee on Wed, Jul 7, 2010, at 10:00 PM

"I know most christians beleive that to seek knowledge beyond the bible is wrong. It takes the power from the old white men that control the religion. And we cannot have that."

"I do really respect your view but find it uninformed because of your inability to comprehend any thing that is outside the christian brainwashing you have been sujected to."

-- Posted by kaygee on Thu, Jul 8, 2010, at 8:48 PM

"You are an ignorant fool if you believe what you just posted."

-- Posted by kaygee on Fri, Jul 9, 2010, at 1:15 AM

Matthew 7: 1-2. "Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. For you will be treated as you treat other. The standard you use in judging is the standard which you will be judged."

It's a good one to live by, but not to kill a debate.

Damu,

Are you talking about the Persian or Roman version of Mithras? The one born of a virgin, or the one born fully grown from a rock in a cave? The one with 12 disciples or 2? The one who gave his own life for immortality, or the one who sacrificed a bull for immortality? Why is Mithras all but forgotten in history, unless googled?

Christmas, as Christ's birthday, and Resurrection Sunday (Easter) were selected by the early Church because it coincided with other celebrations, yes, even the pagan ones. I guess if you have a problem with that, find a time machine, go back in time and change it. Or find something else to do on Christmas and Easter.

CPB, Why then hasn't it been changed? If your celebrating the birth of a prophet, or the rising of him from the dead. Wouldn't you want the correct date?

CPB, The same reason eventually the god that you worship will be forgotten. The same reason we aren't worshiping the Greek or Roman gods. None of them exist and they are all made up.

Humans needed something to explain all the wonderful things around them when science was in it's infancy so we created the ideas of gods. Why do you think the church was so against scientific discoveries in medieval times? Anything that made god seem less likely was detrimental to the power the currently possessed.

Why would you choose to coincide your deities dates with those from past religions? Simple, to make it easier to integrate other people into the religion. Why would the one true god feel the need to resort to absorbing dates and customs from other religions to justify his own?

How do you know that you've made the correct religious choice? Since this is usually dependent on your geographical position. (America = Christian, Iraq = Muslim, ect)Don't get me wrong, some people do flip between religions, I find this to be unusual most of the time though. I also find it silly, since there all wrong anyway.

I leave you with an interesting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ

Why are you still living in the past, especially in medieval times? The excuse that A church may have been against scientific is used all the time to supposedly prove Christians are against science, disproved over and over again.

There are no exact records of Christ Jesus' birth because he was brought into this world as a peasant child. I don't think the Romans kept records of all children born to the poor, but maybe they did, look it up. The same is true of His death, an overwhelming majority of the population thought of Him as a heretic. Perhaps the Romans kept records of His death, research it.

Everyone else is celebrating something at these times of the year, why can't we.

Our is the God of grace, forgiveness, and love. The other are not.

"Christians are against science, disproved over and over again."

I'm not so sure with Creationism or intelligent design as it is.

Now, you ask me why do I dwell in the past. Simple, if you don't understand the past your destined to repeat it in the future.

OK CPB...YOU WIN....I WILL CONCEED IN THIS EXCANGE, Mostly because i see that damu is totally kicking your butt in this exchange.

FYI....Where ever you are getting the information that you are using to defend your position ...well honey it dosnt have any basis in reality...you know.....christian brainwashing.

Time for a reality check

Karen

Damu,

Biblical Creation/Intelligent Design when scrutinized by real science, real research, and real data, always seems to hold up. Evolution has way too many holes, missing links, and missing information, to have any scientific basis as fact.

I believe we are to learn from history, past mistakes and successes. But given human nature, we never have. That's why we Christians, especially authentic Christians, follow the perfect path of Christ Jesus. We are still human, but it is the best path there is.

Sorry about the hard feeling kaygee, but you never disproved my point of view, and you never proved yours.

Yes, time for reality check.

CPB

Whoa what?! So, then you believe the Earth is only 6000 years old? Creationism nor Intelligent design hold up to scientific scrutiny. Notice there not teaching it in school. Thankfully, we as a nation are behind as far as education goes comparatively to other nations. Teaching nonsense such as that would only go further to lengthen the distance between us and them.

Evolution has been proven scientifically numerous times. Although it's called the "Thoery of Evolution" it has crossed over to fact. Think of the theory of gravity. It's still called a theory, but I'm pretty sure it's fact as well :).

@CPB,

Also, although I believe your incorrect in your stance it doesn't really bother me what you think. I personally don't have issues with people practicing whatever religion they want.

My main issues come up when people try to legislate there religious morals. As an example I think gays should be able to marry. If you want to practice whatever you believe in that's fine. Leave it there though where it belongs.

Good enough, go on and enjoy your life.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/evangelical-scientists-refute-gravity-with-new-...

*Note, I realize the onion is not real but this joke of an article really ended up fitting here nicely.*

Chunky...my beautiful challenger... We have allot that we can learn from each other. And I am so willing to learn. I just wonder if you are too!?! It is about entering into an exchange with an open mind. I am so much better in this kind of exchange in person. Not a technologicl kind of person...am really very old fasion(ok I am just old) ...want to have this kind of conversation that is face to face and one on one.

Will be at medicine creek (harry strunk resivour) on the 22-26 if you are willing to meet.

Kaygee, thank you very much for the invitation. I don't know if I can make it, it is doubtful, but thank you for the offer!

I have a wonderful daughter that will be starting high school this fall, I am teaching here all the important things she will have to know to survive. It is difficult and very time consuming, but well worth it. I do not intend to hide the world from her, or her from the world. The time we have together, as a family, will now become very limited. I have too many friends who either worked or partied their lives away, and now wonder where their children went, especially their daughters.

kaygee, you are a very passionate person, I can tell that from our conversation (texting?), and I greatly respect that. I wish you the best life can offer.

With love,

Chunky Peanut Butter

Chunky

I understand and I know how much time our family needs from us.

Your family comes first.

Be well and prosper. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

PEACE AND LOVE!

Karen