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Rednecks for Obama

Saturday, October 11, 2008

I read a fascinating article on Yahoo News yesterday. Two old dudes, Tony Vessman, 74, a retired Missouri state trooper, and Les Spencer, 60, got politically active last year when it occurred to them there must be other lower income, rural, beer-drinking, gun-loving, NASCAR race enthusiasts fed up with business as usual in Washington.

Together, they started a "Rednecks for Obama" movement in Missouri. Obama met them back in July at a campaign stop in Union, Mo. Vessman is quoted as saying "We believe in him. He's the best person for the job."

After the two of them, acting alone, began this improbable journey, they have had over 800,000 online visits to their Web site, Rednecksforobama.com. Spencer said, "We need to build the economy from the bottom up, none of this trickle down business. Just because you're white and southern don't mean you have to vote Republican."

Vessman, who says he owns a dozen guns, says Obama "ain't gonna take your guns away ... There's lots of other rednecks for Obama too, and the ones that ain't, we're trying our best to convince them."

Perhaps there are "lots of others" but polling suggests otherwise. In fact, recent polling indicates that Obama could lose six percentage points on Election Day due only to the color of his skin.

It's amazing, embarrassing and sad that we're still making this distinction as a nation over 145 years after the slaves were freed and over 45 years since the Civil Rights Act was passed.

I've heard enough racial slurs hurled at Obama in conversations over the past few weeks to last me a lifetime. Ugly, hate-filled retorts that as often as not also include a wish for his assassination. So it appears that Vessman and Spencer have a hard row to hoe if they're going to convince a large number of their redneck brothers to see things their way.

Intellectually, racism is a pretty easy thing to understand. Our society is layered economically and socially with the most affluent, the most powerful, and the most influential at the top; the poorest, least powerful and least influential at the bottom and everybody else in between. Throughout history and the social stratification that occurs in every society throughout the world, class warfare is much more likely to occur between members of the lower class groups than between lower class and upper class.

To illustrate this point, we used to have only three social classes in the U.S.; upper, middle and lower. But people in the lower class were there for different reasons. We had the "working poor"; those people who worked hard for a living but because of a lack of education or job training, could only find work at jobs that paid low wages. So even though they didn't have the "good" jobs, they got up and went to work every day, doing the best they could to support themselves and their families. But the lower class also contained deadbeats, the chronically unemployed, drug addicts and alcoholics who had literally given up on the American dream and simply lived from one fix, one meal or one drink to the next.

The working poor didn't want to be classified in the same group as the latter group and objected loudly enough and long enough that a separate class in this country was established just for them. So now we have the upper class, the middle class, the working class, and the lower class.

Racism happens in a very similar way. The lowest class always wants to find someone lower than them and if there's no one lower than them economically, then they search for other reasons to demean and disenfranchise a particular group and that reason historically has been either race or gender.

For example, when people of color and women were added to the work force, competition for jobs increased significantly and many lower class white men were losing their jobs to these two minority groups that had, up until then, been below them. In losing their jobs or not being able to be competitive for those jobs, their livelihood and their families were placed in jeopardy and they reacted by demonizing an entire race and an entire gender because it's far easier to blame someone else for your failings and your inadequacies than it is to take personal responsibility for the situation you put yourself in.

So, for us to understand racism and sexism, we have to understand the economic structure of a capitalist based society and the underlying principle that says everyone should be able to compete equally for the scarce goods and resources we're all fighting for.

Since scarce goods and resources means there's not enough to go around, some people are going to get them and some aren't. Those that don't get them are always going to be angry at those that do. Because of that and because we will always have a lower social class, racism and sexism will be around for a long time to come, as despicable as it is.

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  • I am so pleased to know that finally this election is sending a message to all Americans, Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians and Native Indians that we are one nation under God and that we will elect our officials on issues rather than the color of skin or social status. I think this election has shown that under correct leadership, people can be inspired to give in their best to the country and themselves.

    It is disgusting when the Republicans starting sending mass emails through their membership linking Obama with Muslim terrorist. It is so cheap that this is the last resort of a frustrated and loosing minority of the Republican Party Base.

    I congratulate the founders of Rednecks for Obama. You are trying to unite the country for political action for the right cause and issues.

    -- Posted by ambirani on Sat, Oct 11, 2008, at 1:49 AM
  • Obviously southern rednecks are dumber than us northern ones.

    For all of you who think Obama is the answer.....

    WAKE THE HELL UP!

    First off, the paragraph where these two morons say they own guns and that Ofbama "aint gonna take them away"......Look up his voting record on ALL gun issues that went by him. He voted against EVERY issue that had anything to do with upholding the 2nd amendment. Biden might even score worse than Obama, he's right up(or in my opinion down) there with him. One of the many things Obama can do is appoint high level judges into the supreme court who oppose the ownership of guns. Next he can skip the whole "gun" thing and put a squeeze on ammunition,(primers, powder, cases, bullets, etc) thus making it impossible to shoot the guns you have. If you are a gun owner and love your guns as much as I do, the vote November 4th is pretty damned simple.

    Obama has also imbraced radicals all of his life. William Ayers the terrorist who killed innocent AMERICANS is a well known buddy despite what the Communist News Network (CNN) is trying to portray.

    Reverend Wright, his preacher of 20 plus years spouted anti-American crap constantly to Obama and his racist wife. You can't tell me you can go to a "church" for that long and not be affected by what is being preached.....I believe you go to church to learn, right?

    He's also buddies to Louis Farricon(sp. Another radical who's worth in society ranks right up there with pladdypuss excrement.

    You need to look at Obama's choice in friends first to see where his heart and mind are. It's kinda hard to get the truth about Obama when all of the major TV networks are left wing hard cores and won't talk about the negativity of "the chosen one".

    For those of you who think he's the answer, you have a combined IQ of a hand full of pond sludge.

    Jim

    -- Posted by Jim Foster on Sat, Oct 11, 2008, at 7:02 AM
  • Jim Foster

    Can you honestly say you would be okay with Sarah Palin running our country if something would happen to McCain?

    -- Posted by KansasBisonFan on Sat, Oct 11, 2008, at 1:44 PM
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    Jim,

    If you read the blogs you will know that I have already talked about trashing one politicians associations and ignoring your candidates own shady association. But that is politics today, one candidates shady associations is anothers perfectly fine association.

    I would suggest to you to use other news sources other than Fox News when it comes to politics and not to believe everything you read in an email. Every issue you brought up was thouroughly debunked months ago.

    As for the gun issue, Obama has never said a word against gun ownership, voting record notwithstanding. And saying that he can appoint judges or skip other gun issues is a pretty far leap of the imagination.

    In a time when we need to be coming together as a nation calling Obama supporters idiots and stupid is low-brow and has no place in this country. Don't be pointing fingers at others unless your hands are clean.

    McCain, on Friday, did what any good citizen would do and defended Obama against the nasty and shameful attacks some of his supporters have been shouting at his rallies. For his efforts HIS supporters booed him. He may loose his base (for supporting another American, which just blows my mind), but in my book he is a great American

    I am still voting for Obama, though. And if that makes me an idiot, than by God I'm a damned proud American idiot.

    -- Posted by MichaelHendricks on Sat, Oct 11, 2008, at 4:51 PM
  • ekimsitruc:

    I love your comment and I completely agree. Jim Foster seems to be rather ignorant and disrespectful.

    KansasBisonFan:

    I do not believe John McCain is a bad person - but if he were to pass and Sarah Palin became our president, this country would be doomed. When he chose her as his running mate, he lost much respect from me.

    Jim Foster:

    You need to WAKE THE HELL UP. How about you go to a non-bias news source and actually research both candidates. Or are you just too **** prejudice to accept a half-black man to become control of this country. I have a hard time reading your comments due to your pathetic and unintelligent responses.

    -- Posted by brandnewrx on Sun, Oct 12, 2008, at 12:22 AM
  • You can vote for who you want to. As for Palin, I believe she is as qualified to run a country as Obama is. I think the people who don't like her are SEXIST.

    -- Posted by plainsman on Sun, Oct 12, 2008, at 9:33 AM
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    Steffanie

    Could you please wear your prejudices a little louder on your sleave?

    I get the feeling that when you refer to McCain you do not refer to him as J. Sidney McCain. The type of prejudice you practice is the scarriest and most dangerous of all. Goes to prove that as long as there are people like you in this country we will never truly be a free society.

    Truly sad

    -- Posted by MichaelHendricks on Sun, Oct 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM
  • Stef can banter on all she wants, in less then 100 days Obama will be president.

    -- Posted by president obama on Sun, Oct 12, 2008, at 2:50 PM
  • Didn't want to take the time to do that math Stef?

    -- Posted by KansasBisonFan on Sun, Oct 12, 2008, at 5:41 PM
  • -- Posted by Abe Linkin on Mon, Oct 13, 2008, at 10:02 AM
  • "You can vote for who you want to. As for Palin, I believe she is as qualified to run a country as Obama is. I think the people who don't like her are SEXIST." -Plainsman

    That is ridiculous and unfair. Do you think its possible that people don't like Palin because she's a moron? If I'm sexist for disliking Palin, you must be a racist if you don't like Obama. Thats fair, right?

    -- Posted by BlueFire on Mon, Oct 13, 2008, at 5:54 PM
  • Brandnewrx,

    Bite me. Go to a non-biased news source? I suppose to you that would be CNN, CBS, or NBC. They are non-biased as hell as long as you are a Democrap. You watch your news sources and I'll watch mine.

    And as for your stupid remark about me being prejuduce towards Hussein Obama because he's half black....well from some of your previous responses, I'd expect that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. I aint one bit racist towards Barrack because of his color. I could care less if the idiot was pink or plaid. His radical/terrorist friends is what offends me. So leave your racist slurs in the sewer where you crawled to find them.

    ekimsitruc,

    You've never heard Obama yo mama say anything about gun ownership? Hmmmmm, try watching something besides the CNN for once or that puke Bill Maher. Google the NRA and see what they say about him or would that be too truthful a find? I hope in the upcoming debate someone in the crowd brings up this subject just to wake you and your cohorts up. But if you vote for Oabma that still doesn't make you a proud American idiot.....just an idiot.

    For all of you Obama supporters, I refer to you as "sheeple". Interpretation: People acting like sheep. Mindless, vombies drinking the "Obama" kool-aid.

    ProudBisonFan,

    To answer your question, yes. She's a hell of a lot more qualified to run our country than Obama could ever think of being. The only thing Obama has that makes everybody OOOH and AAAH over him is his ability to speak to the populace......Kinda like Hitler. With the same type of brain dead cult following behind him.

    Jim

    -- Posted by Jim Foster on Mon, Oct 13, 2008, at 6:36 PM
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    Jim Foster,

    Your comments are great. As for the brain dead populace that follows obama, you obviously haven't been paying much attention to the McCain crowd as of late.

    As far as the NRA site. I've looked over there statement twisting, its done well. If you happen to look over at factcheck.org though you will see that there claims are all debunked.

    Now, there and 'actual' non-partisan organization. Unlike all your news networks.

    Lol, also your right. Palin would do great running our country. If you don't like the separation of church and state and don't have very good ethics. Ohh, that was decided by a non-partisan committee. Pretty impressive candidates from the the GOP party.

    -- Posted by Damu on Tue, Oct 14, 2008, at 10:32 AM
  • It's hard to believe anything but an educated opinion can derive from a written masterpiece that so eloquently begins with the words "Bite me." That's classic, Jim! Is someone getting cranky about the way this election is going? ... Your invitation is tempting, but I think we'd better leave the biting to Sarah, The "Pit Bull," Palin. Seems to be about all she's good for.

    -- Posted by Abe Linkin on Tue, Oct 14, 2008, at 3:47 PM
  • Steffanie, You're calling of "B. Hussein Obama" is rather "redonkulous" if I may say...I mean seriously, you're holding a name given to him against him, because some guy, who many years after obama was born, did some wrong?? Quit using "Hussein" to attempt to scare people away... Some people do and will read beyond your titling of things... However when browsing here, seeing "-- Posted by Steffanie" does scare the hell out of me...

    -- Posted by thimself on Tue, Oct 14, 2008, at 4:14 PM
  • BlueFire, You are a bright one. That was the whole point of the comment. The race card is the first thing pulled when someone doesn't like Ombama. Tell me what makes her a bigger moron than Obama? WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT OBAMA HAS DONE THAT MAKES HIM SO QUALIFIED???? Obama is nothing, he is worse than Al Gore by far. The only reason he is here is because the Democratic party knew he had the eye appeal to win. He has no credentials what so ever. He will step in and take advantage of is going to happen to the economy and these liberal idiots will claim he saved the country. One man can take all the blame, or be a hero it just depends on how the puppet news people make him out to be.

    -- Posted by plainsman on Tue, Oct 14, 2008, at 9:17 PM
  • Just to let you know, I'm not completely behind McCain OR Obama.... I'm just sick of people thinking the only reason you can dislike a candidate is because they are old, black, or have a ******. Can't we stick to the issues and leave their sex, age, race, religion, etc out of it?

    And if I can leave you with anything it is this: be at least civil to eachother. You are discussing politics. While important, it is no reason for personal attacks. I've been amazed lately by the completely respectable and mature adults that I have seen turned into children during debates about the upcoming election.

    -- Posted by BlueFire on Tue, Oct 14, 2008, at 9:43 PM
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    It's amazing to me that more than a year after it was proven false we still have people that believe he is Muslim, was sworn in with the Koran, and doesn't place his hand over his heart during the Pledge (btw he's Christian, swore in with the Bible, and does in fact put his hand over his heart for the pledge.

    Steffanie, since it's perfectly fine to call Obama by his middle name only what is your middle name. I think we all should just eliminate our first names. Heck if it's good enough for you and a Presidential candidate then it should be good enough with you and me. Middle names Curtis by the way. And I guess from now on I will refer to McCain as J. Sidney McCain.

    -- Posted by MichaelHendricks on Wed, Oct 15, 2008, at 1:20 PM
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    Steffanie:

    So if he legally changed his name to Fred Smith you think he would be okay then? Your a moron, sadly SW Nebraska appears to be swimming with them.

    -- Posted by Damu on Wed, Oct 15, 2008, at 8:49 PM
  • Mike - I think you also have to look at the fact that Obama picks up much more than 6 points from black people who are only voting for him because of his skin color. Sounds like racism to me.

    ekimsitruc - when you vote you are vocalizing your position through the "vote".

    Sarah Palin experience? vs. B. Obama experience? -People who ask the question about her experience are just avoiding the fact that Obama has less. The laughable circular argument from Obama on experience is that his experience of "running for president" qaulifies him to "become president".

    As you step into the voting booth consider the following:

    1. Does your candidate have the tested leadership to run a country?

    2. Does your candidate have affiliations with people who have questionable backgrounds?

    3. Does your candidate understand foreign policy and ever traveled south of the border?

    4. Does your candidate want to share your money with others?

    5. Does your candidate want to raise taxes on 5% of the nation or cut taxes for all?

    6. Does your candidate speak so well in front of a group on pre-packaged "political speak" or does he speak about the issues in america and provides logical solutions?

    I don't think Democrats can honestly say they have the right candidate and he is a trusted and experienced leader. I also do not think Democrats are ignorant as I know many democrats who are quite intelligent. I do think some have an issue of character judgement as the character of the two candidates is vastly different. The anger over the Bush administration (and the past 2 elections)is one of the primary reasons democrats feel Obama is the right choice.

    Poor change is not Good change

    -- Posted by yeahc'mon on Thu, Oct 16, 2008, at 9:33 AM
  • http://mihasya.com/miscimgs/fail.jpg

    Everytime you speak steffanie, I picture this happening...

    -- Posted by thimself on Thu, Oct 16, 2008, at 9:54 AM
  • Again, Your whole entire statement has not a thing to do with me...I don't have kids, I don't and never have had a caseworker, you obviously have some knowledge on how that "free" system works...a little bit of e-x-p-e-r-i-e-n-c-e there steff? You blab and blab about anything...a big STFU needs stamped on your forehead, better yet tattooed so you can't wash it away..

    You think you could get me a free soccer ball?

    -- Posted by thimself on Thu, Oct 16, 2008, at 11:29 AM
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    Steffanie:

    I'm not sure where you come up with these false generalizations. You assume because t has a opinion that differs from yours that hes some kind of leech on the social system? What exactly do you do that is so high an mighty? You work a 40 hour work week? Your redundant arguments simply make you look the fool. Which is why I will be laughing the evening after election when obama is elected. If your so frightened by that possibility maby you should just get out. (see what I did there, I took a play right from the republican book. Wait hold on check this out.) Those thoughts are definitely not patriotic, and if you don't like it you can Git' Out.

    -- Posted by Damu on Thu, Oct 16, 2008, at 11:39 AM
  • Can I be the person that kicks the ball please?

    -- Posted by president obama on Thu, Oct 16, 2008, at 12:59 PM
  • I am glad so many of you democrats have been able to point out what Obama has done to make him a good president.

    -- Posted by plainsman on Thu, Oct 16, 2008, at 5:06 PM
  • It's more or less the fear of J. Sidney Bush, oops I mean McCain! lulz

    -- Posted by thimself on Thu, Oct 16, 2008, at 9:07 PM
  • Check Gallup Poll updated 10.17.08.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/108040/Candidate-Support-Race.aspx

    In case you don't want to click the Poll, here is a snapshot:

    Candidates supported by race poll indicates that 44% of whites vote for Barack Obama while 48% vote for McCain.

    This same pole indicates that a staggering 91% of blacks vote for Barack Obama while just 3% vote for McCain.

    Who is voting more based on race? Mike's opinion indicates that poor Obama is losing 6 points (actually 4 now) because of his race. No mention of the STATISTICAL FACT above that John McCain loses 88 POINTS, I REPEAT...88 POINTS because of his race.

    -- Posted by yeahc'mon on Fri, Oct 17, 2008, at 12:34 AM
  • Your logic is flawed. If the exact same number of white people and african american people vote then your logic is sound. White's make up about 80%, african americans make up 12% of the us population. So, J. sydney mcsame is loosing 88% of the black vote, he is loosing 88% of 38 million people. Obama is loosing 4% of the white vote, or 4% of 237,854,954.

    Now, Im not biometry major and I dont care to do the math but you can see that people can make stats and polls and numbers do whatever they want.

    There are no statistacl facts. And, as everyone knows, the facts have a liberal bias.

    -- Posted by president obama on Fri, Oct 17, 2008, at 12:51 PM
  • I didnt post that for you stef, I knew you would be to stupid to figure that out. You have to at least have to have a high school diploma to understand basic math. I will try to "dumb down" my posts for you in the future.

    I did not say anything about "racism". I was just simply pointing out that 4% of white votes lost is more votes then 85% percent of african american votes lost.

    Stats show that the majority of African Americans are democrats. Has it ever occured to you that 85% of them voted for Gore and Kerry? Was that a race based vote? If Clinton were running she may well have gotton 95% of the black vote.

    Stick to the dick and jane books, and hey, look out for that ball.

    -- Posted by president obama on Fri, Oct 17, 2008, at 5:37 PM
  • Some of the comments have wandered a little.

    As to the original article, I have signed up as one of the Rednecks for Obama. I was born in the South and worked while studying as a mill hand, garbage collector, and oilfield roughneck; I served as an Army private in Europe during the Cold War; I then entered the U.S. Foreign Service and spent three decades in our country's service in Washington and in American embassies abroad, ending as the American ambassador to a key country under President Reagan. Four of my fellow ambassadors were killed by terrorists, and I do not treat such subjects lightly. I am one of over three hundred retired U.S. Foreign Service officers, including several dozen former ambassadors, who are supporting Obama. You can find our statement and our names at http://foreignpolicyforobama.com.

    -- Posted by Ambassador on Fri, Oct 17, 2008, at 9:01 PM
  • -- Posted by Damu on Sun, Oct 19, 2008, at 1:17 PM
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    Steffanie:

    Ohh look at this widespread GOP voter fraud. There probably just trying to even the playing field right?

    http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6534

    -- Posted by Damu on Mon, Oct 20, 2008, at 9:34 AM
  • Bigdawg needs to be mindful of his own business - I'm with Stef. If you love socialism get on the Obama bandwagon and ride it till you can't afford the taxes any longer.

    -- Posted by Joetheplumber on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 3:10 PM
  • perhaps you are correct, lets try the republican facism

    -- Posted by president obama on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 5:19 PM
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