Mother Nature making point on climate change

You're kidding right???????? So climate change started in 1925, since it was the worst year in history. Or maybe it's something just called mother nature.

Tornadoes + densely populated area + lack of SERIOUS preparedness = high death toll...

"Climate change" aka "global warming" is utter nonsense, and has no more merit in this episode than in any other era of severe storm outbreaks. If tornadoes appear to be more frequent, it is only because we have far better technology to discover them. If they appear more severe, as of late, it is a function of the Earth's normal cycles combined with increased population.

"Anthropogenic climate change" is complete BS, wholly discredited by the satellite evidence, honest science, and the failure of the highly-"tweaked" models to agree, or even accurately meet a single prediction made by their developers.

There has been no warming of Earth's atmosphere since 1993. Even during that period, the warming that did occur was statistically negligible and hardly outside the realm of normal variation. Moreover the other planets within our solar system were also "warming" -- no surprise since the Sun's energy output was on the upswing.

I note also that the purveyors of "crisis" needed to hastily ditch the term "global warming" -- since, by every measure, the exact opposite was happening. So now they give us "climate change" which is difficult to contradict for reason that climate never remains static. The Earth's climate is always in a state of "change."

Please do not add to the politically motivated hype. Those who have a rabid desire for absolute control over every aspect of our daily lives do not require anything more than a willing cadre of useful idiots to do their bidding. Follow the money and you will come to see the true severe storm that lays just over the horizon... And the makers of that cyclone intend far more harm than the razing of a few city blocks.

I think I would have to agree. 20,000 years ago when glaciers receded from these fertile plains that we now call home, I do not think the burning of fossil fuels had a thing to do with it. My argument is simplistic I know, but so are the patterns of history if we are just willing to accept them.

Oh Biff, don't get your panties tied in a knot. The author is simply stating the obvious that there has been a high number of weather events this year. Your over reaction is akin to Google search. If the word climate is placed in an article you are predisposed to rant about global warming and climate change. The author did not address that topic. It was merely an observation. Who thought that Lake Mcconaughy would ever be filled? Weather works in cycles and the articles reporting on new records reference the previous record which implies it happened before.

Flash Flood watch for SW Nebraska. Perhaps the Republican river will flow again!

Do we say "change" or "flux"? I see a change in the thermometer, the barometer, and wind direction every day. How much of that is contributed to by man?

None - when you consider that the biggest single factor in the temperature of the planet has nothing to do with man - but our proximity to the sun.

And again when you consider that the second biggest single factor of the temperature regulation of the earth is also beyond man's control - the fact that 2/3 rd's of the planet is covered with water.

Climate flux - a term that is at least accurate if not honest.

BuffRoam,

Spare me the BS... Read the title:

"Mother Nature making point on climate change"

The author may neglect to explain himself in the article, but the title states all that he really wishes to impart upon the reader: Climate Change = More Tornadoes. Learn to read between the lines.

"Read between the lines" = make crap up to suit your argument. You small town folk crack me up.

Regardless of the truth since this planet is the only one we have doesn't it makes sense to hedge the bet and play it safe.

Any why not polute less? Why not find a more cost effective means to power your car?

Drill baby drill...rednecks!

Pardon us "rednecks" (a term you are using incorrectly in this instance and no doubt you have no idea as of the origins) for having a different view than, I'm fostering a guess here, you "citified" folk.

Fact is, nobody has argued in favor of polluting our planet. Most people in rural settings know all too well that the food we eat and the water we drink are very affected by our activities or the lack thereof. We don't advocate for dirty water, dirty air, or substandard food. On the contrary, our number one industry in the "small towns" is mainly agriculture - our communities produce high quality foodstuffs for the rest of the WORLD. Our very livlihoods depend on clean water, air, and food. Much as, if not more than, yours does.

But we also live in reality-ville. We know that while we can affect the quality of our world, we cannot destroy it. There are powers beyond our scope to which we are subordinate. We understand that while there is always 'flux', there is never permanent change. Does drought affect you sir/ma'am as it affect us? Our planet exists within a range of temperature - even science has verified that life has existed despite the range of temperature and change. If you want to put 100% faith in science, then you must acknowledge not only the existence of life through many millions of years prior to the SUV's and redirection of water flow; but also its flourishing.

And why wouldn't we drill for oil? Oil is as natural as trees. Oil is the basis for our fuels, our herbicides, insecticides, many fertilizers and, oh yes; equipment, lubricants for that equipment, and even the computer you are typing upon. What can possibly replace oil? Why should America not drill for oil, but allow other countries to drill for it in our own gulf? So that we can spend money buying it, instead of saving money producing it, or even making money by selling it? We have recently discovered that the US has vast reserves on our own soil - but tree-huggin' citified folk that get their news from MSNBS or PBS have this idea that it's BAD to get that oil for our own use. We should buy it from other countries regardless of cost or the fact that our suppliers hate us. You should put your money where your mouth is and stop driving a vehicle all together. Take your family on your next vacation on bicycles or a canoe. Go mow your lawn with scissors, and heat your water with willpower. Stop fouling up our environment, hypocrite.

Thanks for the condescencion. Maybe you should direct it towards people truly deserving of it.

Well said Mickel. Most of the "rednecks" out here in "podunk" were "GREEN" before "green" was a "thing". Like all them there quotation marks? Long before the broad-minded, all-knowing, better-than-thou-art dane3737's of the world began looking down on the "small town folk," we were already growing our own. Most of us unsophisticated people already knew how to turn off a light if we weren't in a room. We already knew that our aquifer (that's a place from which water comes, not from your kitchen faucet) was a valuable commodity and that to keep it clean helped everyone around us. Most of the people out here can feed themselves should the supply chain ever be stopped, can you, dane3737? The low-class nitwits out here also figured out what "organic" meant long before you paid a premium price for vegetables grown with cow poop versus nitrogen (may not be the best argument, but I find solace in it). Lest we forget that some idiot out here had long-ago figured out how to use wind energy to pump water/create power (aka a windmill). Let me be the first to tell you that it's not a novel idea. We don't depend on the likes of the people who have convinced themselves that the people in rural America are uneducated, narrow-minded, polluting fools. It's the other way around my friend. YOU depend on on these so-called "rednecks".

Moreover, Mickel is right, research and learn the origin of the term "redneck". Mickel, I heard once, that if you yell for something like six months solid (don't quote me too closely), you have produced enough energy to warm a cup of coffee. Maybe the sophisticated readers can begin yelling, say...now, to begin to save the earth. They can finally say they are really doing something worthwhile instead of creating all that hot air with their unfounded arguments that is no doubt causing the glaciers to melt.

speak-e-z....with all the naysaying that has already taken place, I think we already have at least an urn of piping hot coffee.

er, Creamer anyone?

I find that the best thing about the dane3737's also is that they have convinced themselves that the best place to live is in those places of high population and they stay there.

I am not by any means arguing for the population loss we are experiencing here in rural areas. If people knew that I came back to this area following college because my particular job pays MORE here than it does in the city, their way of thinking might change slightly. I apologize for going off-topic in this instance.

With regard to the recovery of oil under our own feet, it is only one piece of the huge puzzle that we need to put together to become more self sufficient. Are we not realizing however that the processes are so much more extraordinarily efficient than before? We are now able to recover oil in shale that was once thought not productive enough with which to bother because we are able to drill horizontally from one location versus a number of locations that the dane3737's hate d/t the fact that it leaves scars they can see.

Mickel is right though, those other countries, "[they] drink [our] milkshake".

People

Earth Mother is changing.....DRAMATICLY.... there is no use in denying it...heed it and be prepared to go the way of the a dinasours...as we are all destined to do. It will happen whether we want it to or not. It is the way of life. This cycle has happened many times before.

Live life for today and be at peace with what will come...this is all we can do!

Peace and Love

Karen

MICKEL SAID...

"Fact is, nobody has argued in favor of polluting our planet. Most people in rural settings know all too well that the food we eat and the water we drink are very affected by our activities or the lack thereof. We don't advocate for dirty water, dirty air, or substandard food. On the contrary, our number one industry in the "small towns" is mainly agriculture - our communities produce high quality foodstuffs for the rest of the WORLD. Our very livlihoods depend on clean water, air, and food. Much as, if not more than, yours does."

DANE3737 SAID...

I concur, my issue is that many stop at that point. It is a "Me" society and if it does not directly affect the person or benefit them they want nothing to do with it or will fight it. The days that this country focuses on the greater good are long gone. My father fought in WWII and the sacrifices the citizens made then for the greater good of the country were what gauranteed we would not have German as our national launguage. There is little chance that kind of sacrifice would ever happen today. You can make all the claims you want but at the end of the day no one focuses on the greater good. We are all to busy being selfish.

You state..."Fact is, nobody has argued in favor of polluting our planet." however you did not state if you think WE all are. Based on your reply, I am guessing you think all is well.

MICKEL SAID...

"But we also live in reality-ville. We know that while we can affect the quality of our world, we cannot destroy it. There are powers beyond our scope to which we are subordinate. We understand that while there is always 'flux', there is never permanent change. Does drought affect you sir/ma'am as it affect us?"

DANE3737 SAID...

Again, I concur, however I find it curious that your level of suffering is so much greater than anyone elses. This is the "Me" I am talking about. Your belief I am citi-folk is an assumption on your part.

MICKEL SAID...

"Our planet exists within a range of temperature - even science has verified that life has existed despite the range of temperature and change. If you want to put 100% faith in science, then you must acknowledge not only the existence of life through many millions of years prior to the SUV's and redirection of water flow; but also its flourishing."

DANE3737 SAID...

Right, anything that has happened prior was due to natural events occuring. Guessing that the Earth is built to self regulate it is not built to account for green house gases. Flourishing? Explain to me the cause and impact of the polar ice caps melting. How can you be so sure that is not going to ahve a detrimental effect. I still see no FACTS. Not just science, FACTS. I will not read between your lines?

MICKEL SAID...

"And why wouldn't we drill for oil? Oil is as natural as trees. Oil is the basis for our fuels, our herbicides, insecticides, many fertilizers and, oh yes; equipment, lubricants for that equipment, and even the computer you are typing upon. What can possibly replace oil?

Why should America not drill for oil, but allow other countries to drill for it in our own gulf?"

DANE3737 SAID...

That is a childish arguement. Little Gary can do it - why can't I? Cry cry

MICKEL SAID...

"So that we can spend money buying it, instead of saving money producing it, or even making money by selling it? We have recently discovered that the US has vast reserves on our own soil - but tree-huggin' citified folk that get their news from MSNBS or PBS have this idea that it's BAD to get that oil for our own use. We should buy it from other countries regardless of cost or the fact that our suppliers hate us. You should put your money where your mouth is and stop driving a vehicle all together. Take your family on your next vacation on bicycles or a canoe. Go mow your lawn with scissors, and heat your water with willpower. Stop fouling up our environment, hypocrite."

DANE3737 SAID...

Whoa, angry aren't we. Human Beings are hypocrits by nature and yes I am one (so are you Mr./Mrs Perfect). It is not about shedding all that is evil it is about focusing on continually striving for a better way that finds a balance. As for your arguement that we should drill baby drill on our own soil. I have no arguement to that. However, it is a fouled equation. Just look at the billions of dollars the Exxon's of the world make every quarter. Yet prices continue to rise. Including the gas for your farm machinery. You thoughts to saving money is flawed as long as we allow ourselves to be fleeced. Drilling on our own soil will only feed the beast which is big oil. Our big oil! Another sign of American greed at it's best. However that is not really my point here. The point is we can do better by changing our ways that benefit everyone.

MICKEL SAID...

"Thanks for the condescencion. Maybe you should direct it towards people truly deserving of it."

DANE3737 SAID...

You are welcome, anytime. I am pretty sure I directed it in the right direction. Your answers was exactly what I was looking for...thanks for feeding the beast.

Mickel, I am one of the beasts. The difference between you, me and the rest of the group is that I acknowledge it and I am focused on trying to change it because I worry about my impact to my children and your children because they will have to live with our sins and shortsightedness. I would not claim that my level of suffering, contributions or harm is any more or less than yours is. However, I do find that the attitude and lack to true education on the issues is significant and rampant.

I will conceed, no more Redneck comments. (I forget how easily you folks focus on the what and How than the why something is said. So much for reading between the lines) How about just ignorant. If you knew anything aside from your way of life I wouldn't even have to make this argument.

SPEAK-E-Z....Once you got over the Redneck comment you speak well. Correct, drilling is far more efficient. I actually have no problem with it. I do have a problem with the rationale for it.

While I would agree with the drilling advances I would state the since we have not built a new refinery in what...30+ years (1979 to be exact). That is way old technology. Not to mention there is a capacity restraint. Not to mention that after all of the billions made by the oil companies not one has invested in doing anything that will bring prices down.

You are right again...huge puzzle...my issue is I am tired of the Mickels of the world looking at only the pieces that affect them.

Finally "Redneck" - was referenced in the stereotypical sense and not by origin. So, while on your treck to correct the use of this word go kindly on Mr. Foxworthy.

In closing, I LOVE how you jump to the fact that I am Citi-fied or Citi folk. If you only knew.

P.S. it is MSNB...C

Enjoy your coffee!

dane3737, you are condescending. It is offensive, not something in which you should take pride. If you are what you are attempting to portray, prove it by providing your argument and sitting back to read the responses without attacking someone's intelligence. Before you correct someone else's misspellings or whatever else, spell "have" correctly in your own post. Is it "lack to" or should it be "lack of...education"? Those are the only two I will point out. I'm just saying, dispute the whole of what people say on here. If you are going to look down on others like that on a blog (this or any other), you need to be spot on and as perfect as your words tend to construe that you think you are.

I feel like you make a good argument. Thank you for your input as it helps others, no matter their thought processes, learn more and question their own. I agree with you haltingly: I have never faulted a man for working for, and earning his living. It is hard not to be jealous of someone or a business as a whole that is more successful in some way. Are we a free market here in the United States or not? Do we value Capitalism or not? If we are going to try to go all "Big Brother" on "Big Oil" where will it stop? Why do we need to hate on that particular business? Why don't we regulate Apple or IBM somehow? Anyone reading this is using a computer right now and the cost of these little buggers could certainly be reduced. I don't like how its going any better than anyone else, but I don't want to see us go against our values to meet an immediate need (see: "me society")

ON THE OTHER HAND: If there is a better way, there is no reason not to find it and push for it. If there is a way to run vehicles more efficiently and produce material with less waste, let's do it. See my previous post when I was making a frustrated point about these rednecks being green long before it was "hip" to be green. Now comes, the hard part: how are you (we) going to convince China, Russia, and India to do the same things (I stereotyped the big three I could think of for the moment). I see what you say above, "little Gary...why can't I?" but that is the other side of the coin as I am seeing it. Say my household and your household (whether you live in the city and are "citi-fied" or not, I was making a generalization based on your first comment) both find ways to reduce our consumption and are able to recycle 95% of everything we buy. How do we get the rest of the world to follow? I am not throwing up my arms here and saying heck with it, but I do wonder how we get the rest to follow.

As for refineries: get Big Brother the heck out of the way! I agree there. I know we haven't built a new one in 30 years. Imagine what we could do without the red tape...but its a piece of the puzzle. Another piece of the puzzle is speculation. Another piece is taxation. Another, another, another...the current president came into office offering "hope and change" but the problem is that his particular brand of politics caters to a group that tends to be the group that wants that "self-gratification". A group that tends to decide with emotions for now versus logic for later. Real change will be painful because it will have to be drastic to really have any positive outcome. I know these statements are vague and probably inflammatory and I am not going to back them in this post, but that's how I'm seeing it. My words are no more right than anyone else's, but hopefully it elicits some legitimate thought and comment.