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The opening non-round for Kerrey and Fisher

Wednesday, May 30, 2012

LINCOLN, Nebraska -- It was just a tad surprising when Republican Deb Fischer turned down the chance to debate Democratic rival Bob Kerrey at the Cornhusker Boys and Girls State gathering in Lincoln.

Getting on stage with Kerrey this early in their race for the U.S. Senate would have given Fischer a chance to size up her far more experienced rival. And even if the outcome hadn't been particularly good for her ... so what? It's a long way from June to November.

Kerrey, who served one term as governor and two in the Senate, has offered one particularly worthwhile suggestion for the coming contest.

He has challenged Fischer to three Lincoln-Douglas style debates -- one in each congressional district. Kerrey wants a two-hour format in which the candidates would speak and ask each other questions.

The view from here: This debate format should be standard in every House, Senate and gubernatorial election. It takes the talking heads out of the equation and makes it more difficult for politicians to duck the issues by blabbering until their time runs out. And if it was good enough for Abe Lincoln ...

Kerrey has called for seven debates, the same number the Republicans held during their primary season.

At this stage, it seems Fischer's camp might content itself with letting endless advertising dollars do most of the talking, and Kerrey bashing.

This contest is going to be influenced by tens of millions of dollars in television and radio ads from both sides and obviously only a small fraction of that money will come from Nebraskans. It is virtually certain to be the most expensive-ever Nebraska political race. That's not surprising, since it is also one of the contests that will determine which party controls the U.S. Senate next year.

With Karl Rove and a bunch of super PACs pitching for Fischer, the tone of much of the advertising is a well established given. At this writing, they'd already spent some $260,000 for one anti-Kerrey ad that criticized him for saying some good things about the bank bailout that was supported by Republican President George Bush.

And even before Kerrey announced he would run (after he announced he wouldn't run) the GOP was on him like body odor because he had lived so many years in New York, serving as president of the New School university.

Kerrey wants debates that will let him get into topics like entitlement reforms, healthcare and foreign policy, contrasting his knowledge and experience with that of a state senator/rancher from the Sandhills.

If this were a prize fight, Kerrey would be cast in the role of the underdog slugger. He needs to score a lot of points. And Fischer's job would be obvious -- don't fight his fight. Just keep jabbing and jabbing ... and stay away from him. He's scored a lot of knockouts.

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How is is it that Carpetbagger Kerry is even allowed to run in a state that he hasnt lived in for 10 years? That's all i need to know about THIS race. Do i want a NEBRASKAN representing Nebraska, or a NEW YAWKA?

-- Posted by BlackRifle on Wed, May 30, 2012, at 3:24 PM

It seems the editor is missing a key point regarding Kerry. Why would any Nebraskan want Kerry as their Senator when Kerry felt it was necessary to leave the state for 10 years to be employed by a Liberal University? To an "outsider" it is evident that Kerry is only running to help the Democratic Party and not running to help Nebraskans.

It will be interesting to see how many Nebraskans are able to see through the Kerry facade.

-- Posted by ksfarmer on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 8:56 AM

Both BlackRifle and ksfarmer are correct in their observation of Mr. Kerry. Who would you want representing your ideas, needs, wishes, and wants? I for one do not want anyone who has not lived in the state (much less the western part) for 10 years or more, representing me. We need someone who knows what the common person is thinking and who has years of business experience as a independent business person behind them.(and yes ranchers are business people in the truest sense of the word as ranchers receive no government subsidies such as farmers do) We need someone from our end of the state and from a rural area, to represent us. I for one am tired of politics as usual. Deb Fischer represents a chance to change this. I'm voting for her, and I hope many more people will too.

-- Posted by quick13 on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 9:59 AM

as I reread my comment I feel that some people might think that I am saying farmers are not businessmen. If someone has thought this, Sorry, I myself farmed for 25+ years and they are definitely businessmen as well. Unfortunately, to remain in business we had to take the government subsidies, or go bankrupt.

-- Posted by quick13 on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 10:09 AM

I have been hearing a lot of talk on the street though, about Fischer needing to go all out to compensate for Kerry's popularity in the more heavily populated, eastern part of the state. Some have even calculated that in addition to the endorsement of Dennis, Deb may need to woo Earl as well.

-- Posted by hulapopper on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 10:14 PM

Fischer Received $110,000 In Subsidies For Letting Ranch Cattle Graze On Federal Property. In October 2011, the Omaha World-Herald reported "Republican U.S. Senate candidate Deb Fischer and her husband, Bruce, are among a handful of Nebraska ranchers whose cattle graze on federal land at prices some say amounts to a significant federal giveaway... As a rancher, Fischer has benefited from a federal program that environmentalists and others describe as an expensive subsidy that needs to be trimmed or eliminated. The Fischers lease 11,724 acres of federal land in north-central Nebraska for about $4,700 for seven months -- paying about $110,000 less than the market rate for private land in Cherry County." [Omaha World-Herald, 10/23/2011]

-- Posted by bbens on Sun, Jun 3, 2012, at 2:28 PM

Deb has my endorsement. Cosmic Bob orginally said neither he nor his family would live in Nebraska even if elected. Now he bought a house in Omaha to cover his tracks.

-- Posted by dennis on Mon, Jun 4, 2012, at 3:24 PM

I stand corrected on the federal subsidies portion of my statement but I would ask bbens if He/She had the opportunity to purchase a new car for $500.00 that he/she wouldn't do it? Also, most farmers are opposed to taking subsidy money unless there has been a disaster. Most only take the subsidies because it would put them at a financial disadvantage in competition with other farmers for land and equipment, if they did not take the money offered. Deb Fischer is the real deal and the one we need in Washington. Bob doesn't represent the Nebraska people anymore (If he ever did) We do not need him as a yes man to the liberal east coast. We need some one who will fight for our values, And that person ain't Bob. That person is Deb Fischer.

-- Posted by quick13 on Mon, Jun 4, 2012, at 3:54 PM

last i checked you cannot buy a new car for 500 dollars. Im guessing the car would be stolen and you would go to jail.


thats alot of disasters. Im sure there alot of business owners who would like subs. so they wont be at a financial disavdantage in competition with other business owners.

-- Posted by president obama on Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 6:36 PM

bigdawg I am so happy that you included the farm subsidy database, provided by the Liberal, Enviormental Working Group. They have been trying to get the american farmer shut down for years by implying that all the Department of agriculture's budget is for farm subsidies. Never once have they said anything about shutting off the free food spigot, or using some of the usda budget to develop training programs so people wouldn't have to be on foodstamps or public assistance any longer that is absolutely needed. please see following link


for those of you who don't want to click on the link here is a synapsis:"Most folks probably think of farm subsidies when they think of the USDA. However, farm programs only account for 19 percent of total USDA outlays. The vast majority of USDA spending, 69 percent, goes to food subsidies: food stamps, school breakfast and lunch programs, and the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC). In fact, spending on food stamps alone this year will account for roughly half of total USDA spending."

And I am sure that if the business next to yours took subs and yours didn't, yours wouldn't be in business very long. Either everyone gets them or no one gets them. and anyone could have rented that 11000 acres of north central Nebraska pasture. It just happened that Fischers got there first.

We are way off the subject.

The point is that bob is not the right person for Nebraska. he does not have Nebraska's interests at heart. If he did he wouldn't have been living in New York City for the last 10+years. He didn't even own any property in Nebraska before he started his senate campaign.

-- Posted by quick13 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 3:15 PM

so is the liberal enviromenntal working group wrong in their numbers? you say they are trying to shut the farmer down and i say they are showing where our tax dollars go. nowhere on their site did i see that they claim the usda budget is for farm subs.

"free food spigot" i would argue the numbers, that are accurate, would say that we are paying alot more for food then what we pay at the checkout stand. 69 percent goes to food subsidies? how about this, if they can grow it cheaper somewhere else why dont we do that? then we can cut down on the 69 percent?

i dont know if bob is right for nebraska but the money that poured in from super pacs for fisher makes me think that someone is trying to buy an election.

-- Posted by president obama on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 10:55 PM

one more question, do you still feel that farmers only take the money because they have suffered a disaster?

-- Posted by president obama on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 10:57 PM

are the facts on the ewg website liberal? hahaha

-- Posted by president obama on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 10:59 PM

I did not say their numbers were skewed but I did say they were only giving you half a story. Why don't we see the per person or per city or per county amount of usda receipts from the other 69% of the usda budget? They are trying to cast an unfavorable light on the farmer.

The 69% does not refer to the cost of the food it refers to food provided free to people who the government says "qualify".

As far a "growing it cheaper" where would you have us grow it? China? We are already so deep in debt to China, that many experts say are saying we will never be able to pay off our debts. Agriculture one of a few industries that are actually exporting much more that we import.

I am glad the people in charge of the super pacs have seen that Deb Fischer would be a good person to have in the senate. This race is going to be expensive and bob has lots of money behind him.

If you had actually read my comments you would have seen that I said "Also, most farmers are opposed to taking subsidy money unless there has been a disaster. Most only take the subsidies because it would put them at a financial disadvantage in competition with other farmers for land and equipment, if they did not take the money offered." and "Either everyone gets them or no one gets them."

No the facts on the ewg website are not liberal, they are facts. But there is more to the story and 69% MORE FACTS that they are not reporting.

Please realize there is much more to things than just facts. As I said I farmed for years and when I look myself up on the ewg site I find myself wondering where they heck all that money went because I sure don't have anything to show for it.

As far as I am concerned this conversation is over as we are off topic, and I suspect we will never agree.

-- Posted by quick13 on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 11:53 AM

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