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Mailman bitten, dog euthanized as precaution

Thursday, August 11, 2011

McCOOK, Nebraska -- The owner of the dog that bit a mail carrier in July was informed five days following the event that the animal had been euthanized. Deeply saddened by the loss of her longtime pet, 20-year-old Ashley Sundquist told the Gazette that the story previously printed, "made my dog sound like a monster, he was not a monster."

Sundquist said the mailman that was bitten by her dog had petted the animal on numerous occasions prior to the incident. "He was trained to not need a leash and would go maybe 10 feet from the yard and come back," said Sundquist, who was sitting on her front porch at the time of the incident. She said the dog was "doing his business," by a bush bordering her yard and the neighbors, when the next thing she knew the dog was barking and the mailman was striking at him.

Sundquist said she grabbed the dog and took it inside, at the time commenting to the dog, loud enough for the mailman to hear, "yes, I would try to take someone's arm off if they were hitting me too."

According to Sundquist, the mail carrier made no comment to her and continued delivering his mail. She said she had no idea he had been bitten until later when the police arrived to take her dog.

Sundquist had inherited the black Labrador retriever from her step-father, Neil Sims of McCook, who was equally saddened and frustrated by the incident.

Sims said he was told by City Attorney Nate Schneider that the animal was euthanized as a necessity to check for rabies.

It was discovered after the animal was taken into custody that it had not received a rabies booster, that was due in October 2010. Following euthanization of the dog, an unfortunate requirement of the procedure, the rabies test came back negative.

According to Chief of Police Isaac Brown, the faster than usual euthanization of the dog was a result of practice changes of the police department. Those changes came about based on what health officials have said regarding risk to bite victims during a 10 day waiting period.

Sims voiced concerns that a 10 day waiting period could have been utilized to determine if the animal had rabies. Rabies is a fatal viral disease and typically kills cats and dogs within 10 days of contracting it. However, because a man had already been bitten by the dog, that would have placed the victim at risk during the waiting period. "Our primary responsibility is to protect the people, the victims," explained Brown, adding that putting a victim of a dog bite at fatal risk for 10 days was simply not an option.

Brown said that the practice going forward, when someone is bitten by an animal and it cannot be determined that it has had its current rabies vaccination, will be to euthanize it and test for rabies as soon as is practical. If it is not immediately known whether or not it has received a current rabies vaccination, that will be part of the investigation into the incident, said Brown. Investigators will err on the side of caution and euthanize after five days "if that is what we have to do," said Brown.

No citations have been issued to Sundquist as a result of the incident, but Brown would not rule out the possibility of one pending. The investigation is still ongoing, with witnesses being sought and interviews yet to be conducted, according to Brown.

"The solution is obvious, pet owners have to be responsible to get proper vaccination and continue to get the updates every three years as is necessary," said Brown.

In 2009 a company began marketing a saliva test for dogs and cats that was hailed as an effective non-lethal test that could reduce the number of animals euthanized in the name of rabies testing. Unfortunately, such saliva tests have not yet proven to be 100 percent accurate, with state health departments agreeing with Brown, when dealing with a fatal disease no avoidable risk to human life is acceptable.

So far in 2011 there have been 22 confirmed cases of rabies in Nebraska. Of the 22, 14 were skunk related, three were horses, two bats, one calf, one cat and one cow. None were dog related. The majority of the cases focused on pets coming in contact with the infected animal, only five were human contact related and none of those involved a skunk.


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I know we've had this discussion before and I am the first to say that owners are responsible for their pets' behavior, but honestly, we killed someone's pet as a precaution? Its one thing if a critter comes OFF of someone's property and attacks a human. Its another if that human gets bitten on a pet's territory.

-- Posted by speak-e-z on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 1:49 PM

This is an unfortunate incident. Sadly, laws are put into place to protect humans and they must be obeyed. It doesn't state that the animal was on the owner's property or not. "by a bush bordering her yard" - which side? Either way it doesn't matter, the dog was not on a leash, not under control by the owner, not in a fenced area. Also, vaccinations were not up-to-date. Owners need to step up and accept responsibility. If you can't follow the laws put in place to protect your neighbors & guests, you don't deserve an animal.

-- Posted by Rural Citizen on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 2:06 PM

If the owner has had this dog for years and it has never bit anyone before, it does seem a bit extreme to put it down. Maybe the dog is getting old and cranky and/or maybe getting deaf, and the mailman unknowingly surprised it. If it were a robber who got bit, and not a mailman, the dog would be a hero ... unfortunately dogs can't tell the difference.

-- Posted by SandhillsMom on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 2:21 PM

I agree Sandhillsmom, however, it wasn't on a leash and not in an enclosed area.

-- Posted by Rural Citizen on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 2:44 PM

The comments made in the story are being made by the owner of the dog. Actually it doesnt matter how long she had had the dog, the matter of the fact is that the dog was not on a leash, and attacked a person. If the owner was truly a responsible owner the dog would have been leashed and up to date on vaccinations. I know this mailman personally and know he would not deliberately beat a dog. So what if he petted it a hundred times it only took one attack for him to endure severe pain. I agree with the new policy of euthanizing. Rationalize all you want the point is it was the owners responsibility to take care of her animal. Mailman, robber whom ever the matter of fact was the dog attacked. And I would lay down a bet it was unprovoked.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 3:56 PM

The post by ironcat made absolutely no sense. It actaully has nothing to do with the incident of the attack on the mailman. He was actually just rambling about something he knows nothing about.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 4:12 PM

LOL, sounds like ironcat and Jerry are drinking the same water!

-- Posted by Rural Citizen on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 4:20 PM

I totally agree ruralman. The whole point of the matter is the dog attacked a human. It does not matter whether it was on it's property or not the owner had no control of the dog. This could have easily been a small child. Pet or not, is not the matter if it meant so much to the owner it would have been current on vaccinationsand on a leash. Maybe a lot more towns should take a lesson from our system, there would be a lot more responsible pet owners. It saddens me for any one to think a dog is more important then the health and well being of a human being. Nuff said.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 4:51 PM

Facts is I am not an animal hater. I have pets of my own. I am however a responsible owner. Vaccinations are current and animal leashed when taken out. Makes no difference if it was a pet or not. It is not nearly as important as to the safety of a human be he a mailman or what ever. The dog attacked an innocent person and thats the reason he is gone. Maybe you should spout your stupid comments to irresponsible owners. Rabies or no rabies the man suffered a terrible bite and went through some pretty intensive surgery and skin grafts. Shoot the owner next time. She's the one at fault.

Nuff said.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 6:37 PM

A dearly loved pet is gone because the people who loved it chose not to have it vaccinated for rabies. Why, why, why risk losing a beloved pet?

-- Posted by Grandma B on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 7:13 PM

Yeah yeah yeah and a dearly loved human is suffering because a pet owner's neglect. Plazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzze see the big picture. Wow.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 7:36 PM

If its so boring, stop reading and posting. You are off on an entirely different subject now. LMAO

-- Posted by lottiejean on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM

Yada yada, you are so full of it. Your jabber has nothing to do with a neglectful pet owner. You ramble like a 6 yr old. You would obey the law just like the rest of us.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 12:50 AM

Now Now simmer down and take your meds. Don't let your Jay Bird Mouth over ride your Humming Bird Butt.. Oh and by the way YKMA. lol

-- Posted by lottiejean on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 1:24 AM

Oh I have a great idea instead of giving all your useless advice, why dont you take your own advice and move out of McCook if you don't like the laws. And as for the mailman that got bitten he is one of McCooks finest citizens. You'd do well to know more people like him. You have skipped all around the situation. The plain and simple matter of fact situation is an aggressive dog bit a human. I say more power to our law enforcement team in McCook.

Nuff Said. Oh yeah KMA

-- Posted by lottiejean on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 1:31 AM

Ironcat your'e back!

I thought you succumbed to morgollons or inhaled a chem trail. ;)

May the farce be with you.

-- Posted by boojum666 on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 5:43 AM

If you're going to have pets, you need to be responsible for them and that includes keeping their vaccinations current. I'm heartsick that a poochie was put down because its owner failed to do the responsible thing.

-- Posted by ingafritz on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 8:09 AM

I agree ingafritz. God Bless McCook. Here's to you

Ironcat.(Swig) Let me know when you are leaving McCook I'll help you pack.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 9:26 AM

To put this to rest, I own three dogs of my own. They are kept in a fenced area, they are walked on a leash AND they all three have been neutered and are current 100% on all vaccinations. I'm not an animal hater, just the opposite. It's sad to see an animal put down, but if the owner had taken the proper responsibility of owning and caring for that dog, this situation would not have happened. Having current vaccinations also protects your pet.

-- Posted by Rural Citizen on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 9:38 AM

My intention all along was to try and get people to see the situation as it is. I feel bad that the dog was put down. BUT the factual situation is that a man was attacked, not the fate of the dog. Never has there been a situation in my prespective, when an animal of any kind is more important than the safety of a human being. Thats a fact. Get over the fact that a dog was put down due to the neglect of its owner. Show some concern and respect for the human in this situation, how do you think he and his family felt waiting to know if he would have to indure the rabies vaccines. How do you think he felt having to go through surgery, and having plastic surgery. Grow up readers,see the situation for what it is. The mail man is the one who deserves our respect here, he was just doing his job and was attacked by a dog. Get a clue.

Nuff said.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 10:17 AM

This was an horrific incident with a tragic outcome for two families. Unfortunately, the article does not include an objective account of the attack. Only the dog-owner's description was presented. The account in the article would have us believe that the postman initiated the attack, and the dog was acting defensively. I was not there, but I find that very difficult to believe. Plenty of dog owners are able to manage their pets responsibly, including use of a leash and compliance with vaccination requirements. This dog owner failed on these two responsibilities, and that resulted in consequences to two victims: the postman with the injuries and the the dog whose life was lost. I feel for the family who lost a beloved pet, but the prevention of this tragedy was in their hands. I have heard through hearsay that the family had a new dog within a week of the euthanised dog's death. Let's hope they learned something about the responsibilities of dog ownership from this incident.

Also, a special message to "ironcat": You seem to have a lot to say, but nobody will take you seriously until you learn how to present your position clearly. You seem to be typing without thinking, and this leads to poor spelling and grammar, but worse, your series of ideas and conclusions lack evidence of rational thought. I suggest you slow down when you type and think about what you mean to say before your fingers hit the keys. Two good things could come of this: 1)you may realize that your initial ideas are ridiculous and develop more sound ideas, and/or 2) readers will be able to follow your thoughts and agree or disgree based on the idea's merit rather than dismiss your comments due to your sloppy rapid style. You might have a valid point somewhere in your ramblings above, but nobody will know it. I write this to help you, not to criticize you.

-- Posted by toxicfox on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 10:38 AM

At last a responsible and sensible response. I appauld you toxicfox.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 11:01 AM

Perfectly said toxicfox!

-- Posted by Rural Citizen on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 11:46 AM

Hey ironcat! Where do we sign up to help you pack? These laws have been in place for years along with many others. You just don't seem to care about the well being of others.

I hope the mailman in this case is recovering well.

-- Posted by Rural Citizen on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 11:48 AM

ironcat, I was not making a joke of you. I was genuinely trying to help, but your response was about what I expected. Here is where you're wrong:

- I'm not even wearing jeans today;

- My hoodie is not black, it's red;

- My mom doesn't have a basement (her house is built on a concrete slab);

- I have a job and an education (I highly recommend both);

- Some postmen are delicious, but finding out which ones could cost you your life if you don't have your shots.

- Now I am making fun of you.

Good luck, I hope you find some peace someday.

-- Posted by toxicfox on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 11:52 AM

Well done toxicfox. Thanks Rural Citizen. All I was doing was trying to get readers to be real. It is truly a bad situation.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 12:12 PM

"Oh boojamnutcase is it painful being as stupid as a 55 gallon barrel of hair????"

Gawd do i feel bad now or what :)

mmmmm stupid you are ironcat mmmmmmmm

I have the mental image of ironcat, like the dog snarling on the other side of the fence, angry at all who dare to walk by, frustrated that no one is really listening to him, desperate to be taken seriously.

Wrap the foil tighter, close the blinds and retreat to the dark recesses of your truly weird thoughts ironcat.

-- Posted by boojum666 on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 12:39 PM

"I refuse to give up my GOD given constitutional right to be safe" -- Posted by ironcat on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 10:18 PM

Bwaaahaaaa!! Lmao!

-- Posted by Husker23 on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 12:43 PM

Just about every single conversation with "ironcat" has turned out in just this manner. Somehow, we have to stop feeding it.

One cannot argue the facts that owners are responsible for their pets 100%. We choose to bring pets into our homes and thus we choose to have the responsibility of having vaccinations completed in a timely manner. I was just feeling sorry for the dog. I feel bad for the mailman too. The owner's right to have a dog ends where the mailman's right to do his job begins...if that makes any sense.

-- Posted by speak-e-z on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 2:48 PM

Makes lots of sense. I totally agree. The young woman who had the dog just made it seem so one sided. She made a bad choice the dog and the mail man pad the consequences. Good dog, bad dog, it only takes one attack for serious injury to occur this was the result of an irresponsible pet owner. Hopefully a lessoned was learned.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 3:37 PM

I'm not sure how this discussion, or this situation got so complicated. Once a person chooses to become a pet owner, they become responsible for that pet. I really don't care about that person's religion, political opinion, economic or social status. I do care about animals, though, and believe that there is no excuse for irresponsible pet ownership. How could a person have a dog, love the animal and NOT keep the rabies vaccines up to date? What kind of cruel person would risk losing their pet because they chose not to get the rabies vaccine. Dogs do bite for a lot of different reasons. That can be debated until the cows come home. But what part of KEEP THE VACCINES UP TO DATE doesn't anyone get?????

-- Posted by Grandma B on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 4:22 PM

Ironcat is an example of conspiracy theory paranoid

fringe element internet denizens that thrive on obscure unprovable accusations. He and his ilk will say the most outrageous things that no one can counter because there is no counter argument.

He will get what he gives.

-- Posted by boojum666 on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 6:34 PM

The law is the law. If you don't obey the law you pay the price no matter what the situation or "excuse" is.

-- Posted by PattyH1956 on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 10:22 PM

In the midst of the word he was trying to say

In the midst of his laughter and glee

He had softly and suddenly vanished away

For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.

-- Posted by boojum666 on Sat, Aug 13, 2011, at 10:34 AM

ironcat, how in the heck do you saddle a pig?

-- Posted by boojum666 on Sat, Aug 13, 2011, at 11:09 AM

ironcat.. are you related to Howard Dean? you know the iowa scream Dean?

how come when I read your posts I hear the looney toon music in the background?

In the midst of his laughter and glee. ;)

-- Posted by boojum666 on Sat, Aug 13, 2011, at 2:33 PM

I can't stop feeding it,it is just too much fun.

Ironcat

Do you use a english saddle or western on your pig?

Did you use legal firecrackers when you tortured that skunk?

Did your homebrew go bad?

Did you forget to wear a cap outside today, because the satellites probably got a photo of you saddleing the pig.

-- Posted by boojum666 on Sat, Aug 13, 2011, at 6:20 PM

ironcat, that is an lie about what I have posted.

shame on you.

-- Posted by boojum666 on Sun, Aug 14, 2011, at 10:35 AM

You to need to get a life, you got completely off the subject with your hate banter for each other.

Nuff Said

-- Posted by lottiejean on Sun, Aug 14, 2011, at 10:46 AM

Hate? nah just ridicule of a truly weird person.

-- Posted by boojum666 on Sun, Aug 14, 2011, at 11:14 AM

WOW...YOU MCCOOKITES HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR WATER...OR YOU ALL OF YOU ARE JUDGEMENTAL FREAKS!!!!

None of you have any respect for others and absolutly cannot have productive conversation.

Every one here needs to learn a lesson in civility.

Grow the (bleep) up!!!!

-- Posted by kaygee on Sun, Aug 14, 2011, at 11:13 PM

Facts

Dogs are to be on leashes if they are not in a contained area.

Pets are to be current on all vaccinations.

Neither one of these were adhered to by the owner of this dog. It bit someone. Now the pet owner AND another human have to suffer the consequences. All of this could have been avoided if the pet owner would have acted responsibly.

-- Posted by Rural Citizen on Mon, Aug 15, 2011, at 8:31 AM

Funny you should say "something in your water" kaygee, I wonder what topic of discussion that will spark? Anyone? Bueller?

I think this, for lack of a better metaphor, horse is beat to death.

kaygee, let me preface what I'm about to say by saying that I am not poking fun, rather, just musing to myself: I don't know if I want to be a McCookite, or a McCookie, or a McCookian, or a McCook-uhn. Maybe I'll be a McCookizen, yeah, that's me. Remember to have your pets spayed or neutered friends.

-- Posted by speak-e-z on Mon, Aug 15, 2011, at 10:33 AM

Wow, lots of off-topic vitriol here. It's just a sad situation for the dog, the dog owner, and the mail carrier. Laws need to be enforced though, and unfortunately the dog's rabies vaccination was not up to date. Hopefully the investigation into the matter will also reveal what actually transpired, and whether the dog was provoked. Pretty clear that responsible pet owners and tolerant mail carriers would go a long way toward ameliorating situations like this.

-- Posted by McCookBaby55 on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 7:00 PM

"WOW...YOU MCCOOKITES HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR WATER...OR YOU ALL OF YOU ARE JUDGEMENTAL FREAKS!!!!"

Kaygee,

How very amusing. I sure hope you aren't volunteering to teach civility. Be careful or you might steal the "Pot" title from a certain other blogger on the paper's website.

-- Posted by Sir Didymus on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 10:38 PM

McCookBaby55, it doesn't matter whether it was provoked or not...THE DOG WASN'T ON A LEASH AND NOT IN AN ENCLOSED AREA.

-- Posted by Rural Citizen on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 7:50 AM

Rural Citizen, news stories have reported that the dog was in its' 'own' yard at the time. Had the homeowner/dog owner had an 'invisible fence' as an enclosed area to it's own yard, the issue with the rabies vaccine would still be the problem. If the leash or restraint device was still long enough to allow the dog to reach the mail carrier, what then?

We also don't know the mail carrier's demeanor as they approached the dog. There is a possibility the mail carrier could have done something differently. I wasn't there so I don't know the whole story, and hope that it does come out.

Again, the rabies vaccine is the REAL issue here. I do hope this mail carrier's injury heals quickly.

My father was a McCook mail carrier and came across all kinds of things on his route. I do know he was never bitten by a dog, never hit a dog, and was accosted by some pretty intimidating examples.

That being said, what does a mail carrier do when they encounter a stray cat, or potentially rabid raccoon, skunk or other creature? What job doesn't carry some sort of occupational hazard?

-- Posted by McCookBaby55 on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 3:42 PM

The only things to take away from this is that the owner was irrresponsible, the dog bit the mail carrier, and the dog was euthanized to check for rabies.

There was a prior article referring to the leash laws though.

http://www.mccookgazette.com/story/16298...

Have a good one.

-- Posted by bberry on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 5:18 PM

Well said Bberry. This horse has been beaten to death.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 6:14 PM

OK..I respect your all of your comments..... but I have been part of a community that is trying to have respectful and productive conversations. Conversations that can unite opposites through respectful diolouges.

You all started to have them BUT in the time I have been away.....ARG.... you all reverted to the same abusive name calling bull....ony, again.

Can we finally grow up and have civil conversations?????Productive conversations???

Conversations that resolve the real problems of today.

IS THAT ASKING TOO MUCH???????

If it is then may god have mercy on us all.Cause we are all f#%@ed

Karen

-- Posted by kaygee on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 8:01 PM

I agree ochosinco. And (you all) is a putting all of us in a catagory where only a couple should be.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 9:38 PM

ochosinco

Do you have a beef with me????

ALL I am asking for is a civil and respectful conversation. A conversation that helps this world be a better place. Some thing that makes a positive benifit in this world. Do you want to ingage me in this kind of conversation?????????????

Or..... do you want to be like every one else here???? Do you just want to call me names and blame me for all the problems you are facing???!!!

A social retard???? A pawn to the goverenmental subjagation of our way of life????

Can we start to heal this world ??? Take control of our future???

Can we be civil and begin the healing????

It is up to us...the people to figgure out how to fix the problems we are facing...

The govenment wants us to keep fighing with each other so we are divided..... SO they keep sending us these mixed messages. Keep us down.

Do you want to buy in to this????Do you want them to destroy us???

Have civil conversations with your friend, neighbors and Especially with your so called enemys.

There is middle ground if you take the time to look close enough.

Dont let the power brokers of this world kill all of us freedom seekers!

Do you want to have a civil and respectful conversation???

Peace

Karen

-- Posted by kaygee on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 10:15 PM

ochosinco

Ok so where did I get it wrong???

And thank you for the peaceful and civil conversation

Karen

-- Posted by kaygee on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 10:45 PM

Ochosinco

Sorry i went of the deep end with you.

Took lots of deep breaths and then re read your posts.

thankyou for calling me on my rant.

I truly apoligise for my acusations. You are a good friend and I am sorry.

Peace my friend

Karen

-- Posted by kaygee on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 11:00 PM

"SIR DIDYMUS"

If you want to ingage me in a meaningful conversation .....let me know. I could teach you a thing or two about civility because you obvously dont know what that means. It is about listening and learning about others. About being a student of the universe and Her teaching. Being open to new ideas....

But it is mostly about listening to others.

Karen

-- Posted by kaygee on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 11:19 PM

Kaygee,

I have the sneaking suspicion that any conversation we might have would be meaningless, not meaningful. I feel that your lessons in civility would be about the quality as lessons on how to avoid avalanches by the average bedouin. True, they might have some experience with avalanche, but I bet there would be better sources to get it from. You usually start posting out of nowhere with acusations and vitrol and then switch to a "can't we just get along" tact. I find that ridiculous. But it does sorta show that I listen and learn about others, eh?

-- Posted by Sir Didymus on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 11:55 PM

Sir Didymus

Do you want to have a meanigful conversation or do you just want to be a holyer than thou????

How do you know what will happen unless you are willing to ingage???

What do you have to say????I am listening!

I will respect your point of view if you will show me the same courtesy.

Do not judge me and I will not judge you

Lets play!

-- Posted by kaygee on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 12:17 AM

Stopping beating this horse already! The dog was in it's own yard. But not on a leash, not in an enclosed area, no vaccinations. IT DOESN'T MATTER ABOUT THE DEMEANOR OF THE MAILCARRIER! The pet owner is in the wrong and unfortunately a dog had to pay the price for this owner's lack of concern for others.

-- Posted by Rural Citizen on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 9:07 AM

No offense, kaygee, but the "I won't judge you if you don't judge me" ship sank when you jumped into this line of discussion by judging everyone in the discussion- and perhaps McCook residents in general- by calling them "JUDGEMENTAL FREAKS." You've then proceeded to jump on the high horse of "can't we all just get along," rather than participate in the conversation of a dog biting a mailman, so your accusing Sir Didymus of trying to be "a holyer than thou" just comes off as hypocritical. There's also the following:

-You proceeded to call someone a bully when they weren't compromising on a point about wind energy and debating in a "less than gentlemanly" manner.

-You proceeded to assume and question other peoples' "Christianity" when they were laughing about a squirrel dying and cutting off power to a good chunk of the town. Of course, there was some understandable problems you were going through at that time, but it's harder to excuse emotional baggage fueling words in a typed out comment than it is a real-time conversation.

I can't really say that others, including myself, should expect to have a civil conversation with you, when you proceed to be no less insulting, no more respectful, and no less on a high horse than than anyone else. You apologize, which is an admirable quality that not many people who comment on this site do, but it becomes less respectful when you continue to repeat the same behaviors anyway.

I can appreciate the desire to find a middle ground in some case, but I have a hard time respecting the "neutrals" or "middlegrounders" or "fencers." This is mostly because they tend to use this position of "compromise" as a high horse to sit on. I personally find this more annoying, mainly because it seems like a waste to balance oneself in order to look down at others on top of a fence. Having said all that, I apologize if this seems like a digression.

In any case, if you want to have the civil discussions you ask for, then you'll have to stop exhibiting the same behaviors that you decry others for. I agree that the discussion prior to your first comment was childish, though I would disagree if you were to argue that uncivilized discussions can't be meaningful.

As for the article, I did find myself aligning more with ironcat when the discussion first began. It is sad that dogs are "criminalized" so easily in these situations, even though I understand why that has to be the case. However, the dog owner is the one at fault here, because she didn't do nearly enough to prevent such a situation from arising.

-- Posted by bjo on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 10:47 AM

bjo

You are right. I am wrong. Thankyou for calling me on it.

AND

Thank you for your polite response.

I will try to be more respectful in the future.

I guess I get a little frustrated when people here get in to the name calling phase on this blog.

I have a tendency to rant with out cause....but I am learning! I get on my soap box and rail about the holyer than thou people ....but I am doing the same thing.Shame on me.

Tact is one of the many lessons The Great Spirit keeps trying to teach me. And I am failing miserably!!!

And I apoligise to you Sir Didymus for my outburst. You deserve better. You all do!

Peace

Karen

-- Posted by kaygee on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 5:30 PM

Some thing else

I promise to not jump in and make comments when I shouldnt (which is most of the time!)!!!

I come to this paper to read Veron Whetstons and Mike at night and I will leave it at that.

Good bye

Peace and be well to all

Karen

-- Posted by kaygee on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 7:57 PM

I usually don't comment without reading all of the previous notes, but I will admit here that I'm skipping straight to my point.

This is a good opportunity for all of us to further our efforts to be responsible pet owners. It is irresponsible to have your dog out. This is a real problem in our community. I change my running routes constantly, but I still have dogs come out to me as I run by at least once a week. Yesterday a dog followed me for five blocks. I shouldn't have to wonder if I'll get bit when I'm trying to exercise.

Then, there is simply the safety of the dog to consider. There are two dogs in my neighborhood who are constantly out. I don't know the owners, but I'm terrified that I will accidentally hit one of their dogs with my car.

Making sure that our dogs are restrained is best for them and for the other people in our community. Thank you to all of you who do take care of your animals.

-- Posted by mefriesen on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 8:27 PM

Now Now simmer down and take your meds. Don't let your Jay Bird Mouth over ride your Humming Bird Butt.. Oh and by the way YKMA. lol

-- Posted by lottiejean on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 1:24 AM

What she said ;)

Hi there ironcat

-- Posted by boojum666 on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 9:11 PM

hi there ironcat ;)

-- Posted by boojum666 on Fri, Aug 19, 2011, at 7:08 PM

Seems that the certain regulations concerning animals in this town are intiated by the town council; who, last I checked; is an elected body.

These regulations weren't put into place by some nameless, faceless, juggernaut of an entity. They were voted on by friends and neighbors in the community.

I encourage you Mr./Mrs. Cat to run for public office and help to change things for the better; from the matter of your perspective.

Thank you for your time.

-- Posted by Mickel on Mon, Aug 22, 2011, at 8:44 PM

Ironcat

you need to visit the city office to read and see the current version of the wildlife fence. It looks nothing like what you write in this post.

If you want people to respect your opinions you need to upgrade your information.

In the beginning the FAA was insisting on a fence that resembled what you have written, but not anymore.

Get informed ;)

-- Posted by boojum666 on Wed, Aug 24, 2011, at 8:56 PM

Hello every one I would like all of you to know I was that pet owner. I had that dog for 2 entire years and he never bit anyone. That dog was never out of my eye sight. If that dog had even a spot that was not normal he was in the vets office. You can say how irresponsible i was, all day long and that will never make a difference. And if anyone of you idiots would have a clue what you were talking about you might actually get somewhere. {I WAS TOLD BY THE LAST VET CLINIC THAT I WENT TO THAT HIS VACCINATION NEEDED DONE IN 2012, AND HE WAS GOOD UNTIL THEN.} That dog was never unsupervised and i was out there when this happened. He was trained not using a leash. I took him to the park without one and not one of you had anything to say about it. If I shouted a command he listened. We went to the lake and go figure no leash... Not one of you had had anything to say about it then. You walk into my house right now and I assure you there are his pictures all over the walls. Anyone and I mean anyone could walk straight up to him and punch him right in the jaw and he did nothing but bark and growl. I have a list of over fifty people that will vogue for this dog. This mailman punched my dog not once, not twice, but over, and over, and over again. And he got a chunk missing out of his knuckle. The knuckle, not his arm, not his hand, not his face, or even his leg... his knuckle. Ya I will say that was an "attack." I will admit I should have had him on a leash but after two years with no issues I would think that everything would be fine. Tank loved children and would protect a child he never met. Talk down to me all you want but he was not a vicious dog, he would not attack anyone with no reason. He went everywhere with me... He loved everyone and anyone. He was not just a dog, or just a pet. He a child, he was family... and there is no replacement for him. I would like all of you to have a wonderful day. And when this happens to one of you... I dont plan on hearing you cry about it.

-- Posted by ashleymarie on Thu, Aug 25, 2011, at 6:46 PM

Interesting how there's another side to every story. Ole Rural always knows the facts...or not. In fact Rural, from here on out, visualize me with two fingers pointing to my eyes, then pointing to yours...I'm watching you. I may have to verbally b!#(#slap you now and again.

-- Posted by speak-e-z on Thu, Aug 25, 2011, at 9:13 PM

If Ashley didn't know the dog bit the mail carrier until the police arrived, how does she know he wasnt defending himself?

The explanation given was the mail carrier walked up and just started punching the dog even though he had pet the dog before.

Seems odd to me since she was sitting there the whole time.

-- Posted by bberry on Thu, Aug 25, 2011, at 9:28 PM

"preach to everyone else how law biting they are patting them self on the back."

Intentional pun?

-- Posted by bberry on Fri, Aug 26, 2011, at 12:07 PM

It is extremely difficult for me to accept the argument that "the mailman started it".

I can certainly sympathize with you Ashley, but there would have to be more to the story if you want to accuse a random mailman of trespassing onto your yard with the purposeful intent of harming your dog.

The old saying goes: "The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."

Again, not blaming you, but dogs do surprise people at times (yes, even owners after 2 years). They can be unpredictable and I think most of the "sane" replies on this site are only arguing that it is our responsibility to mitigate their unpredictability through every means available. Leashes, fences, shots, etc.

I love my dogs dearly, even as much as you do, but chances are that I would be bordering on mental and physical instability if my dogs actions resulted in putting even a complete stranger at risk of death.

You will never catch me at the lake or the park walking my dog without a leash. As a dog owner, nothing irritates me more than taking them for a walk trying to restrain them when others walk by without leashes on their pets. More than once, my dogs have gotten attacked because they were being restrained while another dog was free to attack. At home they are behind a 6ft fence. They have complete medical records and shots. I have made this conscious effort so that not only will the public be assured safety, but for my dogs safety as well.

-- Posted by Husker23 on Fri, Aug 26, 2011, at 1:40 PM

ironcat

who did you copy your last post from, or is just a rare lucid moment for you? Have you hired a ghost writer? There has to be some explanation for good punctuation and grammar. ;)

-- Posted by boojum666 on Fri, Aug 26, 2011, at 4:29 PM

Hello every one I would like all of you to know I was that pet owner. I had that dog for 2 entire years and he never bit anyone. That dog was never out of my eye sight. If that dog had even a spot that was not normal he was in the vets office. You can say how irresponsible i was, all day long and that will never make a difference. And if anyone of you idiots would have a clue what you were talking about you might actually get somewhere. {I WAS TOLD BY THE LAST VET CLINIC THAT I WENT TO THAT HIS VACCINATION NEEDED DONE IN 2012, AND HE WAS GOOD UNTIL THEN.} That dog was never unsupervised and i was out there when this happened. He was trained not using a leash. I took him to the park without one and not one of you had anything to say about it. If I shouted a command he listened. We went to the lake and go figure no leash... Not one of you had had anything to say about it then. You walk into my house right now and I assure you there are his pictures all over the walls. Anyone and I mean anyone could walk straight up to him and punch him right in the jaw and he did nothing but bark and growl. I have a list of over fifty people that will vogue for this dog. This mailman punched my dog not once, not twice, but over, and over, and over again. And he got a chunk missing out of his knuckle. The knuckle, not his arm, not his hand, not his face, or even his leg... his knuckle. Ya I will say that was an "attack." I will admit I should have had him on a leash but after two years with no issues I would think that everything would be fine. Tank loved children and would protect a child he never met. Talk down to me all you want but he was not a vicious dog, he would not attack anyone with no reason. He went everywhere with me... He loved everyone and anyone. He was not just a dog, or just a pet. He a child, he was family... and there is no replacement for him. I would like all of you to have a wonderful day. And when this happens to one of you... I dont plan on hearing you cry about it.

I reply to this statement with BS, you can spout off all you want about you being a responsible pet owner, if you went to the vet everytime something went wrong your vet would have been aware that your pet needed vaccinations.And bull to the point he didnt need shots till 2012. I don't believe a word you say about the mailman. I have known him for over 22 yrs and he is not that kind of person. Hell yes If I was being attacked by a vicious dog Id beat him off too. And you have no clue to his injuries.He had skin grafts from his arm ,numb nuts to fix his hand which is permanetly damaged. I say Kudos to our city and its law enforcement officers. And there is no such thing as a pet trained to be off leash they are tempermental and can change in a minute just like yours did. Get over your self and admit, You are in the wrong here. I laugh everytime I hear you say you are a responsible pet owner.

Nuff Said.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Fri, Aug 26, 2011, at 6:45 PM

I'm dead. Case closed, move on.

-- Posted by Deaddog on Fri, Aug 26, 2011, at 11:17 PM

Case not closed as long as stupid remarks are being made. You don't want to see them ,then don't come here and read them.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Fri, Aug 26, 2011, at 11:30 PM

Deep breaths Lottie, deep breaths.

-- Posted by bberry on Sat, Aug 27, 2011, at 7:21 AM

PPPPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTT!Bberry.

-- Posted by lottiejean on Sat, Aug 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM

I'm horrified at the poor grammar and run on sentences. It makes me regret wanting to ever be a human.

-- Posted by Deaddog on Sat, Aug 27, 2011, at 9:49 PM

speak ez, ha! Ashley, again I'm sorry for your loss. However, the point is...your dog was not on a leash. Doesn't matter whether he was trained off a leash, the City law states that if not in an enclosed area, the dog must be on a leash. You've been wrong in taking your dog to the park without a leash. You just didn't get caught. If others are doing it, they're wrong also. It's called responsible ownership.

-- Posted by Rural Citizen on Mon, Aug 29, 2011, at 9:14 AM


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