Councilman calls for quicker snow removal

Tuesday, October 21, 2008

With snow in the forecast, McCook City Councilman Aaron Kircher remembers the large piles of it on the intersections at Norris Avenue last winter and wants them removed this year in a more timely matter.

"There were quite a few close calls that I witnessed," Councilman Kircher told Public Works Director Kyle Potthoff at the regular city council meeting Monday night. "It got pretty bad last year."

Potthoff reviewed with the council the city's procedures of snow and ice removal for this winter, including the use of a recently purchased snow plow, that will be attached to a three-quarter ton pickup and new equipment to dispense the product, "Apex," that causes the salt to melt faster and also allows the salt to be used at a lower temperature.

After reviewing the policies, Councilman Kircher asked if the snow removed from the street and piled at intersections on Norris Avenue could be removed more quickly than they were last year. The mounds of snow on the islands seemed to stick around awhile, he recalled.

Potthoff responded that crews first clear the intersections and initially stack the snow onto the islands, then go back and knock down the piles and spread them across the islands. This takes less time than to haul the snow away, he said.

But Councilman Kircher wasn't satisfied, and asked for the piles to get done as soon as possible, at least in a week..

"It shouldn't take us too long," he noted.

Crews are out concentrating on clearing streets, Potthoff answered, but would get to the piles as soon as time allowed.

Potthoff also stressed that those who shovel their sidewalks should wait until after the snow stops and to blow the snow onto the terrace and not the street. Placing snow from driveways into the street is prohibited.

He also told the council that the first roads to be plowed are the highways inside city limits, followed by the emergency snow routes, the airport and residential streets.

Additional emergency snow route signs will also be purchased, he said, in response to a question by Councilman Lonnie Anderson. The signs cost about $20 each, with 20 new ones purchased last year, Potthoff said.

He reminded the council that emergency snow routes are marked with green street signs with white lettering.

Salt brine from the water treatment plant also will be used again this year, and Potthoff said that they had good results with it last year.

The brine, a by-product of the water treatment plant, is used as an anti-icing solution and is sprayed onto the roads before severe weather to help prevent unsafe conditions.

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  • "Placing snow from driveways into the street is prohibited." Yet it's OK for the City crews to go along and pile it up on people's driveways so they have a much harder time removing it? Doesn't seem fair to me, the taxpayer.

    -- Posted by FNLYHOME on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 1:00 PM
  • I agree and when we have children we need to take to school the city should be more cautious. They should do a better job at cleaning the side streets as well. So what if it takes a little more time and more manpower wouldnt it be better to have the residents of McCook safer.

    -- Posted by babycakes1258 on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 1:21 PM
  • I guess these people haven't been out at all hours of the night during these snow storms to see the city workers working around the clock along with the commercial guys. You can only work so many hours before your body gives up and accidents happen. I guess next time we get 18" of snow Aaron Kircher will volunteer to run a snow plow for 36 hours straight.

    -- Posted by Justin76 on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 1:47 PM
  • I understand these drivers are out there hours on end. However it doesn't take that much time to be a little more considerate to the taxpayers who are paying their salaries. I'm glad Mr. Kircher raised this issue...it's why we voted him in. Maybe with the surplus the City supposedly has, they can employ a few extra people to have oncall during these storms to assist in snow removal.

    -- Posted by FNLYHOME on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 3:44 PM
  • To Justin76, I agree with you 100% as an ex city employee i remember the times of being out till wee hours of the morn Mr. Potthoff was out there too but you know i didnt see any council people out even trying to pitch in. as for your comment Rural Citizen, what good is more manpower when you dont have the equipment to put them in, and with the way the economy is would it be a smart move right now to go and purchase that expensive equipment. maybe and easy solution would be if you dont have business being out on the bad roads and streets then stay at home, and if you absolutely have to drive then leave the house a little earlier and drive slow and cautious to get to where your going safely. in closing I would just like to say give the employees a break trust me they ain't making that much per hr to be out there killing themselves for days on end, maybe thats something councileman kircher should pursue is getting these hard working men and women who spent the holidays last year plowing snow to make the streets safe a big fat raise.

    -- Posted by kman on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 4:21 PM
  • I understand OK about the time these guys put in? My point was why do the people pushing the snow have to always block the driveways and cover the sidewalks, then the City announces that the sidewalks have to be cleaned off by the property owners within a certain amount of time otherwise face fines? It's like we're paying these people to clean off the streets, then we have to go out and shovel snow for how many hours off the sidewalks and blocked driveways. It doesn't seem fair? We're paying double and as taxpayers, why should we? Hire the extra people who already have equipment and are qualified...the City doesn't have to buy additional equipment....pay as need.

    -- Posted by FNLYHOME on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 11:23 AM
  • RC, give an example of how a truck with a blade can NOT pile snow on the edge of the street? They aren't going to stop every 30ft to make sure a driveway is not obstructed. That just isn't plausible.

    -- Posted by norm on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 7:28 PM
  • You know, I used to get mad at the city for plowing the snow over a sidewalk or at the end of a driveway. It seems that you all want to have your cake and eat it too. In other words, you want to have the city plow all the streets in McCook within 12 hours of the snowfall and have it moved off the islands. You also want all the snow scooped away on a matter that it is off the streets, not on your driveway, and not on your sidewalk.

    Don't you people have more important things to bicker about. Maybe this is why all the young people can;t wait to leave this town. I bet most of you gripe when the county wants to raise your property valuabion on your house and you don't want to pay any more taxes, yet you want the city the stop their plow truck and make sure your driveway is cleraed out.

    People, the world is not perfect, you can make life whatever you want it too be. You can be happy that the city plowed all the streets, and all the guys were out all night in the freezing cold doing this, meanwhile they still have to manage the city works, or you can gripe and moan that your driveway got plowed shut and camplain all day long.

    We have some responsibility too. We have to pitch in as well. I work hard during snow removal and I see these guys working hard all night long as I do.

    You know, all I hear is constant griping about the city, but I never hear anybody griping about all the people that snowblow their snow back inot the street from their driveways and sidewalks. I even watched a lawn care company do it last year...blatently. That is STUPID, ASSININE, and CARELESS. When it gets cold that snow may stick around for awhile, it just makes glaciers in the street! Why the heck don't you want it in your lawn for more maisture! Think about it. If Aaron Kircher wants something done better this year, he should propose that anyone who is caught doing this be fined $100.

    -- Posted by Justin76 on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 12:08 AM
  • Hmm...Justin76, being a lawn guy yourself, does the ground soak in moisture when it's been frozen??? or does most of that melting snow just run into the street, down the gutter into the drain?

    As for the "crews" working all night, they do and I applaud that, I also agree we, as the city need to get out and do our part...In smaller area towns, I see the towns cleared within a day, because everyone is helping, albeit a shovel, tractor, 4wheeler with a plow or a truck with a blade...Everyone chips in...You may be a taxpayer, but you're also not higher than anyone, so pay your taxes(just like those crews pay!) and do your part...instead of sitting at home, getting online or calling into openline to ***** and moan.

    -- Posted by thimself on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 11:01 AM
  • Let's all be glad that the area dodged the bullet on this last storm threat! I came from a similar size community, where I lived for many years. They were awfully slow in their snow removal too.

    Everybody (including me) would like to see the streets bladed down to dry pavement within hours of the last snowflake hitting the ground, but it's just not realistic to expect. After the first "real" snowfall of the season, we'll see how it's handled. Until then, all these comments have just been conjecture and dredging up bad memories and sour experiences from the past.

    Think positive; it's only 5 months till Spring!

    -- Posted by Willie B Wright on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 11:36 AM
  • The only thing I was getting at was why do the landowners have to be responsible for getting the snow removed from the sidewalks (after it's piled up by the City crews) within a certain amount of time "or else". Not everyone has the means to do this. I do agree that the City crews are doing what they can and do it for long periods of time. However, it always falls back on the taxpayers to do more all the time whether it be monitarily or physically. There's go to be some sort of compromise....

    -- Posted by FNLYHOME on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 11:50 AM
  • Timing is everything when moving snow. Get it moved before traffic gets on it. The city does a good job of that. Sometimes they can't get to or where they need to be. Not everyone is an expert at snow removal. They have to learn sometimes.

    The only thing I feel that really is needed, is care when snow is moved. The schools need to be first priority along with the hospital area.

    At least they are moving the snow for the citizens. What would you all think if they didn't move snow at all? It was that way many years ago.

    Now is the time to start finding people with snowblowers, shovels, and equipment to move the snow if you don't want to get out in it.

    -- Posted by edbru on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 8:36 PM
  • I don't know what the cities do differently... but Kearney seems to be cleared so much more quickly than McCook. Last winter I went down several times to visit my parents in McCook and a WEEK after a snow (or more!), the streets were still awful!

    -- Posted by BlueFire on Sat, Oct 25, 2008, at 11:12 AM
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