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Spy vs Spy

Posted Wednesday, February 3, 2010, at 8:13 AM

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Most of us know of the endless fictional battle of the black spy against the white spy. Equally matched opponents of the dastardly coming up with increasingly sophisticated ways of doing each other in is the premise behind this Mad magazine cartoon. Spy vs Spy first appeared in Mad in 1961, and for those interested, here is a info link about the cartoon... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spy_vs._Spy

Those two spy's in the cartoon are about the only thing I remember about Mad magazine other than mascot Alfred E. Nueman, but a news item out of Colorado territory caught my eye that reminded me of it. The Colorado news involves a dispute about private property rights of a land development corporation and river rafting along the Taylor River.

According to the article, the large corporation purchased land along the Taylor River for an exclusive home type development with private fishing included with the purchase price. The problem comes from legal river rafting outfitters that float the Taylor, as the private property owner contends these "trespassers" leave trash and worse on the banks of the river. I'm sure that shouting raft passengers don't exactly fit in with a private fishing retreat either.

The outcome of the legal action of the private property owner against river rafters could be a big deal if the property owner wins. Even though the outfitters pay substantial permit fees to both state and federal agencies to carry folks down the public commons river and from public land to public land, they certainly don't own the rivers banks and bed through the private property. Colorado law says it's OK to float through private property as long you don't touch the banks and river bed, so the developer would seem to have an uphill battle.

Spy vs Spy never has a clear winner. Oh sure, one side usually wins the day, but never the war. Whatever happens with the Taylor River and it's rafters, a clear winner won't be found depending on your point of view. Either private property owners will have to deal with potentially obnoxious public waterway users, or private citizens will be forced off their public waterways in favor of private property rights.

So is it business interest against business interest, or private property rights versis public access? I just hope the outcome isn't determined by deep pockets!

You can read more about the debate here... http://www.gunnisontimes.com/index.php?c...


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SLICKER,

It calculates the corporate boys did not have a qualified western water attorney on retainer.

Not the first time a Southern California based or East Coast based corporate crowd came up with a scheme to expropriate western water rights.

Could be these fat cats did not want to know the legal facts about denying public access to western streams.

The same ploy has been tried all along the California coast, with massive land holdings (i.e.-The Hearst Ranch, various Monterey Bay developers, Pebble Beach Corporation, Sea Ranch and others), attempting to deny public access to Pacific Coast beaches below high tide marks.

Residents and visitors walking the beaches would encounter private security ORDERING THEM TO TURN AROUND AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

Yep, it usually required court action to correct the situation. Usually local elected officials acted, but sometimes private citizens had to hire attorneys and pay costs for civil litigation.

When repeated violations of court orders developed, eventually the courts began awarding costs and damages.

That usually stopped the attempted "grab."

-- Posted by HerndonHank on Wed, Feb 3, 2010, at 2:25 PM

HELLO MR.McCook,

Our grandfather JOHN ABELES born nebraska,plus he help the us get water rights done in the us.He installed all wells is 15 states back in 1800"s.His father laid all the train track and in the us.PLUS JOHN ABELES WAS ONE OF KINGS IN WAR WATERS IN HISTORY..THIS CITY WE LIVE IN THEY DONT GIVE THE ABELES AT ALL..PLUS THEY TREAT MYSELF AND 3 BROTHERS

NO BODIES CALL US NAMES DESTROY OUR WATER SOLD OUR WELLS AND OTHERS PROPERTIES MY GRANDFATHERS LEFT US

THEY BEEN COLLECTING MONIES FOR 51 YEARS AND OUR FAMILY NEVER GOT OR SAW ANY $$$$$..THEY LOCK US OUT OF HOME FORCE US TO SELL..WE DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR WATER RIGHTS OR MINERAL RIGHTS AND AIR SPACE RIGHTS,ALL THE WATER RIGHTS OUR COPYRIGHT THRU (EATON CROWN)UNDER QUEEN OF ENGLAND

WE HAVE BEEN HOMELESS FOR ALMOST 5 YRS.WE SUED THE 1ST LAWYER FOR SELLING US.OUT STEPHEN R WADE WHICH WE FEEL THAT HE AND CITY MUST GOT MONIES ON WATER RIGHTS WERE TRYING TO FIND OUT..STILL PLEASE IF YOU CAN HELP US OUT IN ANY WAY? CAUSE THE CITY OFFICIALS OUT HERE GOT EVERY ONE IN THERE POCKET PLUS CONTROL THE COURT AND COUNTY RECORDS COUNTY RECORDS. THEY SOLD EVERYTHING TO LA AIRPORT IN 1966..OUR GRANDFATHER DIED MAY 3,1961..

THANK YOU

JOHN AND TERESA ABELES

909-238=226

-- Posted by John and Teresa on Wed, Feb 3, 2010, at 4:38 PM


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