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Bipartisanship?

Posted Wednesday, September 16, 2009, at 12:37 PM

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With the temporary absence of the Gazette's political bloggers, I offer the following to help fill the void some you may be feeling...

I found a couple of Internet articles about bipartisanship yesterday, and I hope you can take the time to read them and post your thoughts.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/090...

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/200... - serious liberal slant here, but interesting reading none the less.

My take on bipartisanship is this... it's really a shame that the best ideas from both sides likely won't be incorporated to make something happen that apparently the majority of Americans want at least to some degree (I'm specifically talking about health care, but just about every contentious issue could be included in the discussion).

Because of the lack of bipartisanship, we may end up with laws that we hate pushed though by the majority party, when a compromise bill would be better. It seems that political gain is more important than the overall good of our country, and the only reason for pretending to be bipartisan is attracting as many of the large block of independent and moderate voters as possible for the next election.

It's beginning to seem more about party, than country on both sides of the political fence. As a good friend said a while back, there are too many Republicans and Democrats, and not enough Americans. He may be right.

Now it's your turn... play nice!


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boring(!)

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 10:02 PM

If you want something that counts as a Rushbo lie, lets try the druggie's statement that Governor Sanford's affair was caused by President Obama. 6/24/09 LMAO

Funny that Sanford started his affair long before Obama even started running for president.

Anyone that takes Stewart and Colbert as serious newscasters belong on the Leno Show going after the Jaywalkers championship.

-- Posted by goarmy67 on Fri, Sep 18, 2009, at 9:55 PM

Great...Now we're moving the capital to Nairobi?

-- Posted by Husker23 on Fri, Sep 18, 2009, at 4:57 PM

"Stewart can be juvenile and immature at times, but about serious issues he generally has very relevant guests and extremely well argued and delivered perspectives."

Hmmm...sounds like something that might be misconstrued as journalism and not comedy. Maybe it's that only half his show is satire, but on the "serious issues" he has credibility?

You must be one of the people that don't understand satire.

Stewart has an agenda similar to the tabloids, and you are his target audience.

-- Posted by Husker23 on Fri, Sep 18, 2009, at 4:36 PM

GI, while Rush isn't my favorite, he isn't wrong all the time either in my opinion. I called Sceptre for out of date info, and I'll do the same about your link from fair.org...1994? Come-on, I bet you can do better than something 15 years old! If nothing else, the argument could be made that Rush changed his ways in the last 15 years based on your link.

-- Posted by Brian Hoag on Fri, Sep 18, 2009, at 3:24 PM

GI,

You guys just aren't getting it. You posts insinuate that people are swayed, or "stupid" for listening to Limbaugh, Beck and the like, but you are unwilling to admit that people can be and are swayed by the Stewarts, Colberts, Olbermanns, Mahrs and others...regardless of their success and size of audience...regardless of what they say they are.

You appear to be saying conservatives are easily manipulated, weak minded and led like sheep by pundits while the liberals are immune, which is flat out ridiculous and more accurately BS.

Furthermore, Limbaugh's presence on the air doesn't change the fact that some are led by completely different (and justified) opinions of politics and leadership (or lack thereof) in Washington.

To dismiss these conservative beliefs and arguments based on the comments of a few is naive and pathetic.

You want to work on compromise and bipartisanship...start with reality.

-- Posted by Husker23 on Fri, Sep 18, 2009, at 12:55 PM

GI - I'm not so sure you are correct by assuming what Limbaugh thinks based on the following...

"I do not, and never have, measured my success in ways you describe, such as 'impact' in Washington, I am a broadcaster and judge my success by those standards."

This quote from Rush and more can be found at...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/2009091...

-- Posted by Brian Hoag on Fri, Sep 18, 2009, at 11:08 AM

billyjb

My point goes back to McCook1's post "The sad part is that those two are the closest thing to news that many of them will watch during the day."

These types of shows are "tools" for the democratic party and our latest election is proof of that. Of course, both parties have their biased talk radio or television news supporters, but these "satire" shows are terribly misrespresenting in almost every interview.

People are swayed by the cut and paste edit jobs that take place in these shows much like the Michael Moore garbage. Anyone can take a clip...reword the questions...paste responses in an attempt to make them look like fools (which is the premise of both shows). Those that do not understand this "satire" were swayed by pretend shows like these and voted in the last election accordingly.

-- Posted by Husker23 on Fri, Sep 18, 2009, at 10:35 AM

Husker23,

The only people who assume that The Daily Show and Colbert Report are a) the same and b) lying are people who don't understand satire.

-- Posted by billyjb on Fri, Sep 18, 2009, at 9:59 AM

McCook1,

Good post - right on target.

How is it that the same show is on twice (back to back) with only a name change? Those two shows are identical in every way. Entertainment value only, portrayed as journalism. Talk about liars...

-- Posted by Husker23 on Fri, Sep 18, 2009, at 9:21 AM

G.I.,

Many people have struggled with and overcome their drug addictions. Rush Limbaugh and Barack Obama are just a couple of examples. They are both no longer under the influence of those substances and I don't recall seeing Sceptre say anything about people who have conquered their drug addictions.

I wouldn't say that Limbaugh has the stupid market cornered thoroughly though. Stewart and Colbert have some pretty large audiences. The sad part is that those two are the closest thing to news that many of them will watch during the day.

-- Posted by McCook1 on Fri, Sep 18, 2009, at 8:59 AM

I should have mentioned that the actual date of pulication on youtube.com for the second video Sceptre mentioned above shows Oct, 7, 2006, and third shows Oct 6, 2006. Don't want to give the impression that the April 5 2006 date is when the videos were published.

-- Posted by Brian Hoag on Thu, Sep 17, 2009, at 9:04 PM

As Nancy Reagan's favorite politician so often said, "HERE WE GO AGAIN."

With Slicker's blog, there was a calm, reasoned discussion going on--until all of a sudden:

"Conservatives hate it when you lie, Liberals hate it when you tell the truth. Limbaugh does not lie."

EXCEPT WHEN HIS LIPS ARE MOVING.

"...it's too late for Obama to stop it because he hasn't got all his secret police lined up yet. He hasn't even got his containment centers for dissidents all ready to go.

Sceptre has just underlined the basic problem. There can be no logical, level-headed exchange of ideas when some fanatic starts hurling accusations and clearly baseless charges.

THE HUGE DIFFERENCE in partisan media types is that the Neo-Con Voices of Reason don't know how to smile -- while Bill Maher, Black, Stewart and even Deadpan Olberman in order of listing address the political scene with humor.

Beck, Savage, Limburger and company simply rant and hurl nonsensical names and charges.

"...curious why you feel it is silly to keep both sides of an issue at the table, instead of trying to come up with solutions that work for both sides?" -- Slicker, you've been reading Alexander's mind.

The real tragedy in the present situation in both houses in Congress is that valuable Republican proposals will never be heard because the GOP has turned itself into a total "PARTY OF OPPOSITION", not the "opposition party."

As a senior with strong southern roots, I have been saying for months what Jimmy Carter has brought into the open this week -- "There is a virulently loud segment of people across the nation who started attacking Barack Obama non-stop as soon as he announced his candidacy, TOTALLY BECAUSE OF RACE."

Because Bill and Hillary Clinton had established their unwillingness to go along with the totally corrupt, lying, thieving, grafting "good ol' boy" network in Arkansas, years before Clinton announced for state office -- the same people who are now attacking Preident Obama non-stop, launched all-out attacks against the Clintons. Before W.J. Clinton had even taken out papers to file for any election."

I grew up as a proud Republican in the midst of the DixieCrat South. When the GOP prostituted itself to accept the corrupt, bigoted and totally white supremicist racist DixieCrats into our party, I left.

Like South Georgia's native son, I know all the hallmarks of racism.

The endless attacks on the Obamas are rooted in racism. Ridiculous labels--"Communist/Fascist" --"Obama's Death Panels"--"Obama's Secret Police" are not rational.

It has taken the new administration six months to unearth the hidden funding in all governmental departments for the private armies of mercenary security contractors running amok in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush's Secret Private Police Army.

Sadly, the press in that region were afraid to tell what was going on-- for fear of being murdered by these hired goons.

In Afghanistan alone, there are 70,000 mercenaries earning in excess of $100,000 annually, while total U.S. military personnel "in-country" have been as low as 25,000 and never more than 40,000.

The CIA had secret mercenary operated "Predators" flying bombing missions, with no oversight or controls, while our military were denied PREDATORS for documented combat.

Until the Neo-Cons quit lashing Obama's Death Panels based upoon the GOP's "..Medicare compensation for doctors responding to terminal patients requests for consultations about their options, "Living Wills," etc.; Until, the Neo-Cons quit hurling lies about Obama planning the Auto Industry bailout, the bank bailout and the AIG bailout, all my himself, when those were all Bush programs started in September, October and November, 2008 -- By Bush," there can be no rational debate and compromise.

The HUGE difference, the Bush bailout programs had no oversight or controls -- Simply give AIG and the banks hundreds of billions and let the top management reward themselves as much as $54-Million each for wrecking their companies and the global economy.

But, the Neo-Cons insist those 2008 bonuses were all Obama's crimes.

Just as there are accusations of "Communist/Facist," there will be slurs and insults hurled against this conservative businessman for stating proven facts.

That is where the destruction of bi-partisan legislation is dying -- with a handful of extremists shouting shrilly around the country.

With Sarah Palin's documented stumbling between five colleges and universities with SEVEN tansfers as the type of leadership proposed.

The GOP has one Governor who let taxpayers fund his international adultery and one retired Governor who quit, because finishing the term was not convenient. Not convenient with sharing the house with the unwed mother and their grandchild.

You have to love the "PARTY OF FAMILY VALUES."

-- Posted by HerndonHank on Thu, Sep 17, 2009, at 8:50 PM

OK Septre... What gives?

The second and third links you use to support your argument were posted on youtube in 2006, months before BHO officially announced his intentions. On the first video, at the 6:53 time stamp, it shows a date of Apr 5, 2006.

This really concerns me since this incident and all the work done before this video was published was performed on the Republican watch.

How do feel about that?

-- Posted by Brian Hoag on Thu, Sep 17, 2009, at 8:38 PM

G.I.,

Careful about why someone would trust a drug addict. Obama, by his own admission, would fall into that category but you still seem to trust him just fine. Especially when the trust for a radio host is a lot less significant than the trust for the President of the United States.

It's also funny how you think Rush Limbaugh is deteriorating America. I thought Obama was going to usher in some kind of bright new world that liberals could finally be proud of. Now certainly Rush Limbaugh should be no match for the President of the United States.

-- Posted by McCook1 on Thu, Sep 17, 2009, at 3:05 PM

shaarhues said... "Bipartisanship for the sake of bipartisanship is simply silly."

I curious why you feel it is silly to keep both sides of an issue at the table, instead of trying to come up with solutions that work for both sides?

-- Posted by Brian Hoag on Thu, Sep 17, 2009, at 9:00 AM

Your inability to admit that the left has the same issues and "characters" as the right is part of the very problem of bipartisanship and lack of compromise in this country today(not to mention just sad).

Make excuses for them if you like, but I've have heard very disrespectful and harmful comments from those on the extreme left as well.

-- Posted by Husker23 on Thu, Sep 17, 2009, at 8:17 AM

"The problem in America in terms of compromise is that sensible and rational discourses have been wrested from us by figures like Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter, etc.,"

Sure - the problems are the so-called spokespeople for the right wing, huh gi? I don't see any mention of the Keith Olbermann, Bill Mahr, or John Stewart.

It must only be the right wing that needs to come to their senses and "compromise".

-- Posted by Husker23 on Wed, Sep 16, 2009, at 6:50 PM

Just today watched a U.S. Senate telecast with Rep. Lamar Alexander (Kentucky, I believe) who was a presidential candidate for about a week.

He made more sense than 90% of the Senators or Congressmen who deliver major scheduled speeches.

His message was simple:

"We don't accomplish our jobs attempting to pass 1,000 page laws which no Senator or Representative has fully read.

"We need to start taking as many steps forward on these important issues as possible NOW, with bills which everyone agrees will help the people of the United States -- and quit trying to go for Home Runs on every issue -- without "watering down" the entire bill so much it cannot accomplish any of the original goals.

"Regardless of whether it is a Republican or Democratic proposal, when we lump so many issues into one bill and attempt to get a simple majority, it has been impossible.

"This was true with the 1993 Clinton Health Plan, contained in a massive piece of legislation.

"This was true with the more recent Republican/Democratic co-sponsored Immigration Reform bill, which could not be passed intact.

"We need to look at those things which can help on each of these issues, taking a few steps forward NOW, and improve the situation as much as possible."

Senator Alexander clearly defined a major flaw in the procedures used in recent years, where both parties attempt to go "whole hog" on every issue near and dear to their hearts. Inevitably, both are losing enough votes within their own ranks to be defeated.

Right now, opposition by Blue Dog Democrats makes it appear key needs within the Health Care Reform legislation will not be adopted.

Tragically, an 80-90% majority of voters feel there is need for Health Care Reform in some way.

There will not be a majority vote available in both houses for any all inclusive package as proposed in anyone of the five bills reported out of committee as of this week.

Senator Alexander concept of taking the possible steps in all major contentious areas is one of the best ideas this old timer has heard.

I for one remember when Tip O'Neal and Ronald Reagan, total political opposites, would sit and swap stories and share a drink and food as friends, after reaching a hard-fought compromise.

With Ted Kennedy's death, we hear from Political opposites -- Orrin Hatch, John McCain and many other staunch Republicans -- crediting Kennedy's ability to bridge the gap and get needed legislation crafted for acceptance.

The public was deluged with word of how bitterly these Senators hated each other. Now we learn that McCain, Hatch and other GOP Senators lost a close friend they respected and trusted.

McCain said, "You had to work to get Ted to committ to vote for some ideas, but once he gave his word, you knew his vote would follow."

This is the America I believe in.

Where we do not seek to insult, or degrade those with opposing views, but accept honest differences and work for solutions which help people and the country.

-- Posted by HerndonHank on Wed, Sep 16, 2009, at 3:49 PM

Not original with me is this saying "Misinformation delivered with confidence can create a dangerous conception that causes people to lose touch with what is really happening."

Bipartisanship for the sake of bipartisanship is simply silly. There are reforms that could be made that would really do some good - tort reform - purchasing insurance across state lines. Only the Republicans are supposed to practice bipartisanship by betraying their principals - you don't see much Democrat compromise because apparently they know best. I say, Republicans - do the right thing and reject this mess called 'health care or health insurance' reform. Find the waste and abuse and use that money to help the truly uninsured.

-- Posted by shaarhues on Wed, Sep 16, 2009, at 3:34 PM

Not enough TRUE AMERICANS is so right!

-- Posted by orville on Wed, Sep 16, 2009, at 2:23 PM


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