Plea for Sanity

Posted Tuesday, September 4, 2012, at 6:23 PM
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  • "Yes, I know that I do overstate,

    Half of this, my claim, may be wrong"

    You are right, you do overstate...but more than half "may be wrong" actually. But this not so much a "Plea for Sanity" as the title suggests, rather, it is a fairly misinformed rant.

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 8:41 PM
  • Thank you for your opinion, of my opinion, Benevolus. Isn't the First Amendment fantastic?

    I did emote a bit, trying to wake up our 'Rip Van Winkle' voters (both sides of the isle).

    Question: If you saw someone, standing between the tracks, intent on doing nothing, with an High-speed train bearing down upon them, would you whisper a warning, of possible pain/death, or would you, perhaps, emote/scream, knowing you may only have this one attempt available to "Warn" that soon to be probably deceased person??? (all emphasis mine)(find your own). (^8

    Outside of being judgmental, what rebuttal 'meat' do you offer on the table?? (even if it is only opinion)

    -- Posted by Navyblue on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 9:39 AM
  • Israel is worthy of a great deal criticism in the conflict they are involved in with Palestine. In fact, should any country other than Israel behave the way they have, they would certainly face sanctions from our government. However, because Israel is a strategic lynchpin in the Middle East, we are willing to tolerate their unethical behavior.

    Religious alignment has nothing to do with it. Christians have much in common with both Jews and Muslims, so that logic doesn't work. We put up with what we know is extreme injustice regarding Palestinians because we need the resources common to that area in general, and Israel helps us to control our interests there. Ironically, one of main sources of America's energy is also the primary source of the danger she faces. Our country is safer with less dependence on foreign oil, and without total military and monetary support of Israel.

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 12:23 PM
  • Benevolus, IMO, you and I are on two different planets of thought, so I cease participation.

    Have a nice day.

    -- Posted by Navyblue on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 2:53 PM
  • Ha. So you ask for substance and then your response is to ignore someone who understands the world differently than you?

    Is that what your religion teaches? Oh well, I can't say I am surprised.

    I will keep reading your work, anyway. I am sure there is plenty I can learn from you.

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 3:55 PM
  • Christians have very little in common with the Jewish and Islam since neither do not recognize Jesus Christ as the Savior of man, hence the term Christianity. Similarities in the Old Testament with the Torah and Qaran, but it ends there.

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 5:28 PM
  • You are so poorly misinformed CPB. Sad for a religious person (though not particularly surprising).

    Here are some similarities between Islam and Christianity. They are almost identical in terms of organization and essential philosophy:

    Ultimate reality: One true God

    Other divine beings: angels and demons

    Revered humans: saints, church fathers vs prophets, imams (especially in Shia Islam)

    The identity of Jesus: Son of God, God incarnate, savior of the world vs true prophet of God, whose message has been corrupted.

    Birth of Jesus: agreed, virgin birth

    Death of Jesus: death by crucifixion vs did not die, but ascended bodily into heaven (a disciple died in his place)

    Second coming of Jesus: affirmed in both

    Good afterlife: eternal heaven/eternal paradise

    Bad afterlife: eternal hell, temporary purgatory (Catholicism)/eternal hell

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 5:48 PM
  • Actually, I'm not a religious person at all. It is my relationship to God through Jesus Christ I value the most.

    That being said, here are the differences between the two religions and Christianity.


    Christianity: The creator in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. A spiritual being who desires to be a part of His creation.

    Islam: Their god, Allah is one. Man can have no association or action with Allah.

    Judaism: God is a personal, all knowing spirit. To some, He is unknowable and undefined.

    Interpretation of Jesus Christ

    Christianity: Fully God and fully human. Born of a virgin birth. Came to earth, as God in the form of a human to teach how to live our lives on earth with righteousness. Died on the cross to atone mans sins. Faith and belief in His life are the only way to heaven.

    Islam: Jesus was a prophet sent by Allah. Sinless and born of a virgin, but not God.

    Judaism: A false messiah or martyred rabbi.

    Holy Spirit

    Christianity: The spirit of Jesus Christ within the body of the believer.

    Islam: Non existant.

    Judaism: Gods activity on earth.


    Christianity: Grace received by faith.

    Islam: Allah's mercy.

    Judaism: Prayer, repentance and strict adherence to the Law.

    So I take back what I said, there are no similarities. Do some real studying, you may actually see the Truth.

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 10:03 PM
  • Except all the similarities I just pointed out above....and all similarities pointed out in the websites I posted above. Wow. You are really in denial..or illiterate.

    "Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are three closely related religions. Because they all revere Abraham and certain other patriarchs mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures (the Torah), Christian Scriptures (Old and New Testaments) and Qur'an as their spiritual ancestors, they are sometimes called Abrahamic religions."

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 11:44 AM
  • Benevolus,

    Have you ever been to a Free Muslim hospital?

    Have you heard a Muslim orchestra?

    Have you seen a Muslim band march in a parade?

    Have you witnessed a Muslim charity event?

    Have you seen Muslims, be, or shake hands with, a Boy Scout, or Girl Scout?

    Have you seen a Muslim Candy Striper?

    Have you seen a Muslim do anything that contributes positively to the American way of life? Christians Have, and DO (roughly Similar, in appearance, perhaps, but Very Different, in reality (exactly the same comparison holds true, for Muslim god, Christian/Jew God).

    Come back when you can discern the difference between the Redwood Tree, and poison-ivy; then we'll talk.

    Your attack-dog attitude is unacceptable.

    -- Posted by Navyblue on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 12:13 PM
  • To the readers of my Blog, my apology for my angry outburst. With your continuing readership, I continue to share my Praise, poetry, and opinion, but will not, usually, participate in 'debating' my faith; my 'witness' is my offering, in the hopes it is of some comfort, to those in need.

    -- Posted by Navyblue on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 12:28 PM
  • Amen Arley! It's called righteous indignation and no apology is necessary. Everything you mentioned is fact. Benevolus is only here to argue. Benevolus managed to Google a few floating references from selected web sites that bolstered his claims. I anchored those claims to the ground with pure facts. Yes, a both religions and Christianity point to Abraham as the man God revealed Himself to. Then what?

    It is pointless to argue with a person who is not going to listen or even learn. It is just as pointless to continue to argue with a person who is insultive and dismissive of others.

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 2:02 PM
  • Arley, your statement about Muslims not contributing to America is outrageous. Talk about an insulting, attack-dog attitude. Muslims are by in large decent people, same Christians.

    Why is it so hard to accept that the three major religions all have major philosophical overlap? Doesn't that coherency across cultures and time help strengthen the whole 'this stuff is real' argument?

    Also, why the intolerance? It would be easy to dismiss all of Christianity if we only examined the radical elements of the "faithful".

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 2:11 PM
  • Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

    Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    I pray you use your exceptionally brilliant mind, to find God's Truth, Benevolus. What an ally you could be.

    This discussion is finished.

    -- Posted by Navyblue on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 3:49 PM
  • I appreciate your time, even if I am disappointed that you refuse to discuss or examine your statements/opinions that are controversial.

    Shutting down down debate seems, well, antidemocratic. But, suit yourself.

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 3:58 PM
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    I'm happy to leave you to your religious beliefs, pity you don't feel the same; but, your xenophobic and irrational excoriation of Muslims is, in my opinion, beyond the pale. I know you directed your questions at someone other than me but I feel obliged to respond.

    I have never been to a Muslim free hospital. I'm not really sure what that has to do with anything though. I've also never been to a Christian free hospital, Jewish free hospital, Buddhist free hospital, etc. Just because I haven't been to one doesn't mean anything or reflect poorly on Muslims.

    I have also never heard a Muslim orchestra, nor a Christian orchestra or any other Religiously based orchestra. Again I'm not sure what the point of the question is.

    I don't think I've seen a Muslim marching band in a parade unless you count the Shriners band, or is that an orchestra I forget. Either way they amuse me with the fake beards and funny little cars...oh sorry I got off topic.

    I have seen Muslims be a Boy Scout, but I haven't seen gay Muslim Boy Scout if that helps. You got me on the hand shaking and Girl Scouts though. But then again I don't recall the last time I shook a Boy Scouts had, maybe I'm anti-american or something after all I only made it First Class as a kid.

    I've also never seen a Muslim Candy Striper, but I have also never seen a Candy Striper at all, I'm vaguely aware of what they are but I don't think they exist anymore. I have seen Muslim volunteers in hospitals if that counts.

    I've seen lots of Muslims do things that contribute positively to the American way of life, I'm not sure what sorts of examples you want.

    I have a couple of questions I hope you will answer.

    Do you know any Muslims?

    Why do Evangelical Christians place such an emphasis Israel?

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 8:56 PM
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    I disagree, shutting down debate doesn't strike me as anti-democratic, just closed-minded.

    What does strike me as anti-democratic is calling for a 2/3 majority oral affirmation three times, when the group obviously hasn't approved by the proper majority, just declaring that they did against all evidence to the contrary. But then again I'm not a member of a Democratic Party so I probably don't really understand what democracy would look like.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 9:01 PM
  • SWNebr Transplant, I was relying on my days as a Scout Master, Cub Master, and Trauma training, for Emergency Medicine, a few years back. I now see the Boy, and Girl Scouts do have a few children in, mostly Muslim, Scout Troops, but are sanctioned by BS of America, and I found some Web info about those of the Muslim Faith, volunteering in hospitals, now. Being upset with a person is not grounds for making statements that are untrue, and for that I am guilty.

    Yes, I was acquainted with Muslim folk, also back some years ago, but cannot say I knew/know much about them, outside reading, since they usually were very closed off from what I call 'normal' American society, except for minimal income producing association.

    My offerings on your question about 'emphasis on Israel,' would only make sense to you if you were Christian, and somewhat 'read' in the Bible. I have always, since reading your words in the Gazette, felt you probably were/are a Christian. Your asking the question, however, causes me some personal doubt now, as IMO, Christianity is founded on Judaism's Messiah, Jesus/Yashuah/Emanuel ("God With us"), becoming flesh/mortal, to 'Redeem' mankind, through His Blood Offering/death, that through that gift, and our Repentance, and Baptism, can be forgiven of our sinfulness, and be pure enough to spend Eternity in the presence of God, since, all the good works we can do are as "filthy rags" as far as being able to redeem us through our own actions. 'Only Through Jesus, can we See the Father.' There is another accounting, that being God's promise that He will Bless those who bless Israel, and Curse them that curse Israel. IMO, removal of God from our lives, and Society, coupled with what seems to be a tendency to favor what I believe to be a Cult, Islam (Commandment One), is a form of cursing Israel. And, that is my best, off the cuff answer to your question as to why Israel is so important to Messianic Christians.

    To one and all, I didn't plan to do much discussion on this Blog site, only share my praise, and poetry, in the premise that my words are mine, to be responsible for, as judged by my God; but, I always welcome correction, when I am in error. I will not, however participate in people trying to 'twist' my words into something not meant, or even associated with my words, in a 'bait and embarrass' type game, that, sadly, some people enjoy playing, not necessarily to make a point, but to simply show how good they are at character assassination.

    If you feel that is closed-minded, that is your choice to believe. I do not normally denigrate people, or organizations. I welcome comments, as my history of participation indicates. Enough said from me. I hope what I have said suffices.

    -- Posted by Navyblue on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 11:00 PM
  • "What does strike me as anti-democratic is calling for a 2/3 majority oral affirmation three times, when the group obviously hasn't approved by the proper majority, just declaring that they did against all evidence to the contrary."

    That was a head-scratching and sobering reminder of the utter disorganization of the Democratic party. I guess not being lock-step automatons has its pitfalls.

    Your sarcasm is of course right on...that was a stunningly poor example of democracy.

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 1:18 AM
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    Thanks for answering, I appreciate when people actually answer rather than refuse to respond, generally from what I see as cowardice.

    I don't really want to get into a big theological debate, I mostly wondered what your view of the importance of Israel was and if you were focusing on the eschatological importance of Israel according to many Christian traditions. Interesting if we are saved by accepting Jesus, then it would seem to me that blessing or cursing Israel wouldn't really matter.

    I say this in the interest of open debate: I don't think you should be too fast to judge people based on what they post. I like to challenge beliefs when I post, and I may not necessarily be expressing my own. I may have been too harsh and if so I apologize, but I found your earlier diatribe distasteful.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Sat, Sep 8, 2012, at 4:36 PM
  • Thank you SWNebr T... I truly enjoy discussing our Faith, but, like I have already stated, don't take too kindly to people who will demand, condemn, twist my word, or accuse me of saying something I have not said; etc.

    I apologize, in that, I have never studied the differences between the major teachings. I presume I have some ingrained, from Sunday School, and such, but I try extremely hard to believe what I read, and sometimes must deductulate, from the puzzle of fitting information together.

    You mention being blessed and cursed, not being necessary (I believe that is what I saw).

    I see Gen 12:3 as ending the verse with 'Globe/land/people,' as TORAH uses the word Ha'Aw-daw-maw, which, according to Strongs, uses that translation; the Greek in LXX, is: FooLay, meaning 'race/clan/kindred/tribe.' Considering, that statement is a Covenant - Statement, from God, without qualification, reservation, or ending. I presume He speaks to everyone in the world. Jesus did not relieve us of a 'jot,' or a 'tittle, of God's Law, and we can presume He meant Covenant/Contract. Anyhow, that is why I believe the 'Blessing and Cursing' verse is extremely important to we Christians. Whew, windy, huh?

    When I do err, enough to mention, please feel free to inform me of what you, whoever out there, feel I do err, and why; then allow me to realize my error, or defend my position. That's all I ask.

    In Messiah, I keep the watch, and witness my faith.

    -- Posted by Navyblue on Sat, Sep 8, 2012, at 6:31 PM
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