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The Real Valley ForgePosted Monday, November 14, 2011, at 2:58 PM
Let his words be a stinking rebuke. "The struggle now had become one of endurance, and while liberty and independence seemed as far off as ever, men began to appreciate the tremendous cost at which they were to be purchased." "The wind is cold and piercing on the old Gulf Road, and the snow-flakes have begun to fall. Who is that toils up yonder hill, his footsteps stained with blood? His bare feet peep through his worn out shoes, his legs nearly naked from the tattered remains of an only pair of stockings, his breeches not enough to cover his nakedness, his shirt hanging in strings, his hair dishevelled, his face was thin, his look hungry, his whole appearance that of a man forsaken and neglected." "On his shoulder he carries a rusty gun, and the hand that grasps the stock is blue with cold. His comrade is no better off, nor he who follows, for both a barefoot, and the ruts of the rough country road are deep and frozen hard. A fourth comes into view, and still another. A dozen are in sight. Twenty have reached the ridge and there are more to come." "Are these soldiers that huddle together and bow their heads as they face he biting wind?" "...Cold shall share their habitations and Hunger enter in and be their constant guest; Disease shall infest their huts by day and Famine stand guard with them through the night; Frost shall lock their camp with icy fetters and the snows cover it as with a garment; the storms of winter shall be pitiless, - but all in vain. Danger shall not frighten nor temptation have power to seduce them. Doubt shall not shake their love of country nor suffering overcome their fortitude. The power of evil shall not prevail against them, for they are the Continental Army, and these are the hills of Valley Forge!" "Without a organized quartermaster's department the men could not be clothed and fed. At first mismanaged, this department became neglected. The warnings of Washington were disregarded, his appeals in vain. The troops began to want clothing soon after Brandy wine. By November it was evident that they must keep the field without blankets, overcoats, or tents. At Whitemarsh, they lay, half clad, on frozen ground. By the middle of December they were in want of the necessaries of life." "Theirs was a perfect sacrifice, and the debt you owe them you can never pay. What would they say if here today? Your lines have fallen in a happier time. The boundaries of your Union stretch from sea to sea. You enjoy all the blessings which Providence can bestow, - a peace we never knew, a wealth we never hoped for, a power of which we never dreamed. We laid the foundations of your happiness in a time of trouble, in days of sorrow and perplexity, of doubt, distress, and danger, of cold and hunger, of suffering and want." "We built it up by virtue, by courage, by self sacrifice, by unfailing patriotism, by unceasing vigilance. By those things alone did we win your liberties." ____ Mr. Brown's oratory is long and in depth, as it should be about Valley Forge. If you'd like to see an interesting version of this oratory and comments, here is a link: http://www.archive.org/stream/orationatv... So my friends, do you think any of these occupy punks and punkettes have a freakin' clue as to the real Valley Forge? Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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The punks and punkettes think that hard times are when their cell phones only have one bar, and they can't do twitter and facebook! One night at Valley Forge and they would have been crying for mommy!
"People are defeated by easy, victorious and cheap successes more than by adversity." Benjamin Disraeli
Look at the reaction they had to the "rain" of job applications whilst occupying in Chicago...
Very telling.
Here is an interesting report by Senator Coburn you conservatives may enjoy.
http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cf...
I just read an interesting account of the boston tea party. Do you think the punks and punketts of todays tea party have a freaking clue as to the real Tea Party? nope
The dry rot of American public education extends as far into conservatism as it does into the Occupy crowd. This board is not without evidence of that.
Ben - The Chinese push math and science in their public education system. Is the lack of math and science the dry rot that you are referring?
Wallis
Gotta love those oil booms, unless you are a senior citizen. Interesting article on how oil and gas development can change an area.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45292393/ns/...
I note that General Washington is praying in the photo. In time of trouble he turned to his God.
How do we react in time of trouble today? Are many of our troubles a direct result of turning away from the Lord?
It's interesting to note that some posters have stayed on topic, while others have hi-jacked this "active" thread for their own purposes.
The liberal rust never sleeps.
It's sad, really Sam.
This path you continue on in your hatred for anything you don't agree with.
I remember a time not so long ago when you would brow beat anyone that didn't show the upmost respect for your beloved Tea Party Patriots. Nevermind that their linking of their movement to the original Tea Party had absolutely no basis in fact (as you are now claiming with the Occupy Movement and Valley Forge).
So, it is odd to me (but not a bit surprising) that in your extremely limited scope view of the world that you see no issues with demanding respect for one movement while doing nothing more than name calling and insulting another movement.
I guess it still hasn't sunk in yet the original founder of today's TEA Party actually supports the Occupy Movement because in earnest the Occupy Movement today has a lot of the same complaints that the original TEA Party movement had.
But you can't allow yourself to believe that can you. In you narrow view anything you believe is right, anything anyone else believes is not only wrong it's evil.
Since you are suddenly interested in telling the true stories of our past, why don't you tell the true story of the original Tea Party? Wait that would actually mean you would have to go through an entire blog without lying.
You often speak of brainwashing yet you don't realize (or don't care) that you have been brainwashed yourself into thinking that your fascist conservative way of thinking is actually shared with most Americans.
Wake up Sam you are having a nightmare.
Mr. Pot, How nice to see you.
"So, it is odd to me (but not a bit surprising) that in your extremely limited scope view of the world that you see no issues with demanding respect for one movement while doing nothing more than name calling and insulting another movement."
Why do you find this odd, can't people engage in the same behavior you do?
So once again, MichaelHendricks proves the party of tolerance only belongs to those who agree with them. Any opposition to that thought, and you become a bigot, racist, homophobic, misogynist, etc etc. Really big of you MichaelHendricks. But really, those of us who know you have come to expect nothing less of you.
In it's very early days, the occupy movement may have represented the anger of bailouts banking executive who failed miserably. But today, the occupy movement is now represented to the slothful children of the upper and upper middle class. They want all the wealth, but not the work that comes with it. They blame the usual suspect, Jews. Not only are they lazy, but they are becoming anti-Semitic in their views.
Could you also define "fascist conservative" please.
Chunky Peanut Butter
You might want to take a look at the following link just so can include old women and Priests in your rants about the occupy movement.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/13393...
I guess old women and priests can become unruly as well. The point is, if someone is making more money than you, and that makes you jealous, then either make more money, or be happy with what you have, become unjealous (sic). In other words, get busy.
Chunky
Ya sure - typical punkette right?
Do you really believe this 84 year old lady is jealous of someone making more money than her?
Here is an updated link and photo of this dangerous women. I want you to take a good look at her face and remember it every time you spout your BS.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/13393...
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Wallis,
Not math. NCLB set the US back decades by all but removing serious science curricula from our classrooms. But math, reading, and writing have been emphasized for nearly a decade, and our math, reading, and writing scores are among the worst in the world for developing countries. Science, though, has suffered the most.
It should be no wonder that when civics, history, science, social studies, art, music, etc., are wholly DE-emphasized and rendered programatically irrelevant across the nation's schools, the result will be legions of uninformed, uncreative, factless drones incapable of behaving like democratic citizens.
To the degree that both the tea partiers and the occupiers are standing up for their beliefs, they should be commended. Involvement is better than indifference. However, both movements are also populated by some of the dumbest, most uninformed, and illogical people to ever voice an opinion in public.
Stupidity is not exclusive to liberalism. Again, I invite you to review many of the conservative posters on this board for further reference.
Hey Michael - fact is, you should really be ashamed of what is going on in the name of leftist thought. You should be striving to be a voice of sanity in current Liberal delusion.
Instead you run to lead fools, and offer tired old Marxist rhetoric disguised as actual thought.
The Tea Party Patriots stand in clear contrast to the vermin occupying your party right now Michael, and you are so empty of reality that you let those parasites speak for you.
Comparing the Tea Party to the Occupy crowd is like comparing Woodstock to the Constitutional Convention. (courtesy of Dave Blount)
The country is growing tired and we are fed up with the left, we are tired of the lies, the double standards, the laziness, the demands, the whining, the fits of temper, the stupidity, the arrogance, we are tired of the left Michael.
We still have a chance to reverse this plague of Liberalism. It's a slim chance, however you leftists have so exposed your deep seeded Socialists and even Communist dreams - your hand is overplayed.
And good ole Beno - still trying to justify the absolute clueless left by using that tired leftist ploy of, "both sides" are wrong.
That is crap brother. Nice try, although, it's been done to death.
Any one of the Republican Candidates is better than Obama, any of them.
You seem like you might be half ways normal Beno, it is such a shame to see a good mind go to waste. But Liberalism is a waste, a waste of time, a waste of thought, a waste of money, a waste of talent, a waste of education.
Liberalism simply steals, it produces nothing but failure, and pain.
You Liberals always point to your intentions, and leave failure after failure in your wake.
Look at the trillions you have already stolen from the producers in this country. And yet you Libs still complain about the same damn things you cried about forty years ago. After trillions in transfer of wealth. It is crazy.
Come over to the light Beno. Come over to the truth. Michael Hendricks is too far gone, as you can see. He may never again be capable of rational thought, but you Beno, you still have a chance to heal. Come over to the right Beno. Come over to the light.
Just finished looking at the picture again Geezer. Then I read the story line. These protesters were asked to vacate the premised repeatedly. They refused and they paid the price, pepper spray.
Why was she protesting? Supposed inequity? Inequity of what? Assuming she was protesting the inequities of net worth between the 1% and us 99%, why isn't she doing something about it? Why isn't donating HER money to the poor. Why isn't SHE donating her time to help the poor? Why isn't SHE donating HER resources to help the poor? Is she waiting for someone to do it for her?
That is why this protest is stupid, nobody doing their part in society to make a real change, hoping someone else does it for them. Stand in a crowd seeing who can scream the loudest doesn't work.
The Lord's time of the year is here, be thankful for what you have and give to those who don't have. Get busy!
Geezer - Boone Pickens just made a great point. NG in America is less than $4 mcf while in Europe and Asia it is over $14 mcf.
Oil prices in America are $15 bbl less than the rest of the world.
So please explain to me why you attack American oil companies? Our prices are the cheapest in the World yet you attack and attack and attack.
I would think a thank you would be in order.
Wallis
"NCLB set the US back decades by all but removing serious science curricula from our classrooms."
A situation duly compensated by lefty ideologues and the liberal media.
Some really fun examples below...
http://www.boston.com/news/science/artic...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesd...
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/sybil...
Don't lament so; home-schoolers are on the rise, and are getting a very adequate education, thank you. Other areas, such as McCook, don't have a problem with liberal indoctrination and the preaching of ignorance presented as a school curriculum.
The OWS crowd is a far comparison from the Tea Party crowd. One group is organized and funded by professional organizations. One group experienced a myriad of complications within the group such as theft, rape, drug overdose, a death, littering and filth, ignorance and foul mouths. The other group was the Tea Party.
Mickel,
Apparently you haven't escaped the literacy decline either...I refer you back to the line "serious science curricula."
Also, the climate change scandal ("climategate" as its been called) was completely debunked.And guess who debunked it? Noted climate change skeptic Richard Mueller. The study was funded by oil tycoons, the Koch brothers, who like Mueller have a history of trying to disprove global warming. The Koch brothers affirmed the science behind the study.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/10/31/...
As for your assertions about the tea party. The rampant insanity and galloping stupidity runs right from the ground floor of your "professionally organized" (read: Fox News) movement all the way to Bachman at the tippy top. The Occupiers don't have a leader, but I suspect that if they did s/he would be every bit as clueless as Bachman.
Wallis
Mickel says we have to stay on topic, well except maybe for you.
Geezer - I didn't say anybody had to stay on topic...I just said it was interesting to note how the thread was getting hi-jacked.
Ben - Obviously you don't think global warming is serious science either. However, there are plenty of misled who do. Our government is putting policies in place to drastically change our lives and hinging these policies on bad science. Light bulbs, electric cars, Solyndra subsidies, etc. These are interpreted by many Americans to be an assault on the American way of life, and on freedoms.
We've lived through bad science scares before - The hole in the ozone (admitted to be a scam by the very scientist who touted the 'danger'), global cooling (documented by an entire issue of National Geographic in the 70's., now debunked) and now global warming; which will ultimately be shown as the hoax it is. Your huffington post link is a great laugh. That's like getting Jeffrey Dahmer to be the national spokesman for Ginsu knives. At least my sources can be considered objective.
Nice smear on the Tea Party...I noticed your emotive assertion without the hinderance of sources.
Mickel,
Nevermind the overwhelming majority of the scientific community. Let's go fringe. Muller is perhaps the most well respected global warming skeptic in America (and thereby the world as well). Note that his research is funded by oil companies.
You don't get more objective than straight from the man himself...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbR0EPWgk...
Further confirmation...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/opinio...
As you can see, the Huffington Post accurately reported the research and Muller's findings.
By the way...you cite a blog. Nice try with the objectivity charade though.
Regarding emotive assertions...I saw no sources amongst your "emotive assertions" regarding the OWS crowd either. Moreover, if you want me to start posting links of Bachman claiming that HPV vaccinations cause mental retardation, and other delightfully vapid quips, I will be happy to.
The Tea Party candidate of choice is battling Perry for the least intelligent of all those vying for the GOP nomination. This speaks volumes to me about the constitution of the tea party movement itself.
Well, it's sad to see that Michael still can't see that he's wearing the same coat of paint that he tries to put on others. Wouldn't be as sad if he was just commenting on this blog and his "safe haven," instead of trying to "stir the shit" on his daddy's articles like he is now.
I feel bad that Benevolus has been broken down and is being ruder now than he was when he started posting here. Not that I blame him; I can see why he'd get annoyed with a few of the posters on here, especially when they're trolling college students.
bjo,
Rudeness is not my aim, simply put my opinion of the tea partiers AND occupiers is not very high; other than a superficial admiration for their political activeness. Above, Michael seems willing to conflate the two movements. I disagree. I see them collectively as different and opposite sides of the same loud and unrealistic coin.
What neither group seems to understand very well is that the world is much more complicated than their narrow idealism will ever account for.
After watching Herman Cain's comments on Obama's handling of Libya, I'd like to amend a previous statement: Bachman, Perry, and Cain are in a three-way battle for the dumbest GOP candidates not only in this election cycle, but possibly in history.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov...
"are in a three-way battle for the dumbest GOP candidates not only in this election cycle, but possibly in history."
Disappointing, for someone not aiming for rude you've been hitting it pretty squarely.
SWNebr Transplant,
Expressing an opinion about political figures and being rude to other posters requires a distinction, does it not?
It is hypocritical to scold one for criticizing political figures and then make no mention of the others who are doing it. Unless you think it is only acceptable to criticize someone as long as they share the same view as you.
I had hope for the GOP candidates but it is starting to fade. Between Cain's turd of a 999 plan or knowing nothing of Libya or Perrys flat tax along with trying to upheave the branches of government it leaves little to hope for. You could look at Romney as long as you don't mind him trying to implement mandatory health insurance, but thatd be hyprocritical since Obama's shoddy healthcare plan is pretty much the same thing.
Looking at all these things, who do we vote for from the GOP? Bachmann; Huntsman? No thanks, I'd rather grudgingly vote for Obama.
Benevolus,
I think it depends on one's perception, is it ok to be rude about people who can't hear you but not about people who can?
Yet you offer no refutal for the prior points about the candidates stefffanie. Yeah, we'll go ahead and listen to you.....
You'd hold more ground if you actually offered input instead of sidestepping the subject altogether and then make some baseless accusation.
bberry,
I'm not sure I understand your voting intention remarks. You appear to say that you would vote for Romney except he has previously supported a State mandate for healthcare so therefore your only logical alternative is to "grudgingly" vote for someone who has supported a Federal mandate for healthcare. Would you vote for Romney if he advocated the continuation of the "shoddy" healthcare system as Obama has? That isn't hypocritical? If you want to support Obama that's cool but if your above post is the reason you are doing so, that doesn't make much sense to me.
Further if you live in or around McCook I don't think a vote for Obama will accomplish much anyway, especially if it is grudgingly given. It doesn't sound like you want to do much to garner more support for him in the area. But vote how you feel.
SWNebr Transplant,
Can people "hear" other people on a blog?
bberry,
I am with you. The GOP field is the weakest I have ever seen it. The only real fund-raiser is Romney, but as you point out, it is hard to see where he ends and Obama begins.
Paul is interesting, and I think by far the smartest candidate in the race (although Gingrich is up there). But for whatever reason Fox News gives him no air time and his total speaking time in the debates is a fraction of Perry's, Romeney's and Cain's. That is interesting to me because last I read he had won something like 9 straw polls.
The point is that the only vote I would ever consider apart from Obama is Paul, and he seems like a long shot, unfortunately.
SWNebr Transplant,
Not putting words in bberry's mouth (or on his computer screen as it were), but I took the implication of his Romney-Obama healthcare comparison to mean that they are in many ways (even beyond healthcare I would argue) 6 of one/half a dozen of the other. I agree with bberry.
If you are getting Obama or Obama Light with a Romney vote anyway, then between the two a vote for Obama makes more sense.
Bachmann, Cain, and Perry are all kidding themselves at this point. I would guess that Gingrich and Romney are likely to be frontrunners--if for no other reason than they are just damn good politicians. Paul, the only candidate not sticking to the GOP script may surprise, but right now he seems to be on the outside looking in.
Emotive assertion or fact? Let's let readers decide. I'm siding with Sam that the OWS crowd takes a non-constructive venue towards demonstration.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/16/o...
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manha...
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.c...
As for global warming - you conveniently sidestep the non-debunked forged data, presented by the 'warming' crowd for years. And so what if one of my links led to a blog - Whats the Huffington Post? Hard news? Your linked story even has Mueller admitting that he has not examined ocean data. I'm sure you also didn't read so far as to find that Mueller has continued and will continue to accept the Koch's money to fund further research.
That being said, I appreciate your multi-syllable, eloquent screaming...it gives one such an appreciation for level-minded rationale.
"bberry, - I am with you. The GOP field is the weakest I have ever seen it."
And yet somehow they are like a breath of fresh air when compared to Obama and company. Even Beetle Bailey would be an improvement over The Big BO.
Benevolus,
It depends on how snarky and rude one wishes to be.
Assuming that a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama light and one doesn't like Obama, why does a vote for Obama make more sense than Obama light? Do you have a reason for this conclusionary statement? It would seem to me a better option would be to not vote or write in someone.
Mickel,
Recall that your "emotive assertions" were: "theft, rape, drug overdose, a death, littering and filth, ignorance and foul mouths."
Yet your articles were about: 1) food, 2) garbage, and 3) an unrelated opinion piece about whether OWS makes people long for the Tea Party.
I am not saying you are making things up, your claims may be true...I am simply pointing out that you have yet to support any of your "emotive assertions."
Whereas I said Cain is entirely too ignorant to be within 1000m of the oval office, and posted a link demonstrating why. I also offered posts as to why Bachmann and Perry should be stripped of their rights to travel to DC as well, I am still willing to provide with those videos should you ask.
You write:
"And yet somehow they [GOP candidates] are like a breath of fresh air when compared to Obama and company...."
Not to me. With the exception of Paul and Romney the GOP field is an army of dung beetles. 1000 years of Obama would be preferable to Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Sanotrum, etc., even for just 4 years.
SWNebr Transplant,
You write:
"It would seem to me a better option would be to not vote or write in someone."
First, recall that I qualified my remark by saying that given a choice between Romney and Obama..."If you are getting Obama or Obama Light with a Romney vote anyway..."
You might think Miney Mouse is a better choice...but I was speaking hypothetically, and making sense of bberry's comments in light of my own thinking.
But I will answer your question anyway. Obama has 4 years of experience as commander and chief, and as the rightwing correctly pointed out (and as Obama's first year and a half proved) experience does matter.
Romney has executive experience, I wouldn't want to deny that, but one fact nobody can deny is that Obama has more presidential experience than anyone in the GOP field, including Romney. Ergo, if the choice came down to Obama/Romney (which is likely), I'll take the guy with 4 years under his belt. I encourage you to do the same.
So Obama has more experience than any in the GOP field?
Compare Obama to Ron Paul:
Legislative experience--goes to Paul
Military experience--goes to Paul
Knowledge of economics--goes to Paul
Honesty--goes to Paul
Integrity--goes to Paul
Intelligence--goes to Paul
Understanding of foreign relations--goes to Paul
Ability with BS--goes to Obama.
Ron Paul 2012, the time has come for reason.
Benevolus, in my opinion, you have changed. The guy with four years experience under his belt? That is laughable. Would you have used that same criteria to vote for George Bush in 2004?
SWNebr,
I had no intention of voting for Romney. But thanks for giving me permission to vote how I feel, although I intended to anyways.
I tnod kniht I lliw etov siht raey, m'I derit fo gnitov rof lepoep ohw lliw ssem sgniht pu eht tsael
Is it me, or is this protest about to turn violent?
Already has in some places.
Doodlebug (and Boomer62),
It looks like you too completely missed the point. I said given two candidates that are virtually identical in their history of policy-making (i.e., Romney-Obama), I'll take the guy with four years experience.
In other words, all things being equal, I agree with the right wing that experience does matter.
If Paul is going to continue to be ignored my hope is that the GOP comes up with someone that Fox News will throw their considerable weight behind who is not a complete idiot. So far, that has not happened.
If it comes down to Romney v. Obama, Obama is the best choice.
Benevolus,
Other than the healthcare issue, how else are Romney and Obama "virtually identical"? Especially given that Romney now says he doesn't support a mandate? Taxes? Trade? Military? I guess they both have said they don't favor gay marriage so I guess they are "virtually identical" there maybe.
I'm not saying that Romney is a better choice than Obama, I just don't think your, and bberry's, comments indicating that the reason to vote for Obama is that he's a better Obama than Romney make much sense. You've repeated conclusions but haven't supported them.
I know I am not as erudite, but, in my opinion, Romney is a much better choice than Obama. How much experience did Obama have in 2008? I am sure I am mistaken, but I dont recall FoxNews endorsing any candidate. In my estimation, they do lean right. But they are also open to having any left leaning candidates appear on FoxNews. Please dont imply that NBC, MSNBC, etc. etc. etc. do not fully support the liberal agenda.
SWNebr Transplant,
It wouldn't take much more than a google search for Obama + Romney to see what I am talking about. But here is an article that summarizes my point nicely.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11...
Here is a quote from an article about Romney standing on both sides of the cap-and-trade issue. If it sounds familiar it's because Obama has followed a similar trajectory.
"The former Massachusetts governor has stood on each side of the cap-and-trade issue; he has gone from staunch advocate for taking on global warming to a climate change skeptic. He once claimed he was a lifelong hunter, then said anyone who called him a hunter had "mischaracterized" him. He supports clean energy, just not in the form of wind turbines off the coast of Cape Cod."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/eco-nomics/2...
Also, bear in mind Romney is in campaign mode, and he is trying like hell to distance himself from Obama. So what you are hearing now is political jive. But a look at his policy history reveals a breadth of similarity to Obama.
Doodlebug,
I didn't say that Fox News endorsed a candidate. They do seem to devote airtime and discussion time disproportionately to cover Bachmann, Perry, and Cain. For whatever reason, Ron Paul is doing quite well in the straw polls, but Fox doesn't talk about it.
Also, I wasn't arguing the "leaning" tendencies of Fox News or any other news organization. But since you brought it up, Fox News doesn't "lean"...Fox News is pretty much a wholly owned subsidiary of the GOP.
MSNBC strikes me as the left's answer to Fox News. Everything else lies somewhere between I suspect.
Romney seems to be a hypocrit at best. While opposing the Affordable Healthcare Act, he imposed his own mandatory health insurance. He opposes tax increase yet while governor increased state fees collecting an additional 740 million along with increased property taxes.
I imagine you can choose to what you'd like to believe on his ever changing attitude towards things like abortion, gun control, stem cell research etc.
While he does have some good qualities about him, I find it hard to put any faith in him while he says one thing and does another.
If anything we can crack more jokes about him strapping his dog to the top of his car for 12 hours.
Then I guess CNN, MSNBC, NBC, etc. etc. etc. could be considered wholly owned subsidiaries of the Dems?
Don't think it matters doodle. Paul has received less coverage regardless of political affiliation of news networks. However, Paul is much too libertarian in my opinion.
Doodle,
I don't think the Dems have a coherent enough message to have have a particular news organization push their their agenda. What i mean is, the difference between Ben Nelson and Barney Frank is about as big as the difference between Eisenhower and Mussolini. But Frank and Nelson are in the same party. I am not sure that we can safely say that CNN, MSNBC, NBC, etc., represent both Frank's and Nelson's political philosophies very well.
Whereas the GOP is normally lockstep and coherent, and this is and has been a strength of the party for decades. This coherency makes representation in the media prospectively easier (Of course, one could point out how the GOP has never really lived up to what it outlines its policies to be, but that is another story).
My point is this, I think that MSNBC developed their market niche to support the left-wing of the Dems as a result of the rampant bias of Fox News. From a marketing perspective, MSNBC is far less lucrative than Fox because it caters to a narrower group. Therefore, it doesn't make much sense as a platform to represent the Democratic party. From a marketing perspective, Murdock did the same thing with Fox, but there are far more viewers of Fox, and the Fox agenda reaches more voters, so predictably, Fox provides a very attractive forum for the GOP to spread its message.
I think CNN sits squarely between the two, and does a fairly good job of giving voice to both sides of any particular issue. In fact, some of the most scathing criticisms of Obama's administration and policies I have read appeared in CNN's opinion section.
Lastly, Fox News is fundamentally different in that there is some evidence that Fox and the GOP are actually in collusion with one another. I have not personally seen evidence of the same between the Dems and other media organizations. Though I guess it would not surprise me to find such ties between the left-wing of the Dems and MSNBC.
Has anyone ever heard of glued meat? Thought maybe some of you bloggers would like to comment on this. I had never heard of anything like this.
Sorry for going off topic - I apologize.
http://d.yimg.com/nl/australia/site/play...
I see where one of the occupiers took a shot at POTUS. Must have been a right-wing plant.
Chunky
Do you have some facts to back up that statement?
In trying to determine why he recently traveled to the nation's capital from the western part of the country, investigators searched the Occupy D.C. campground near the White House but have found no connection between him and the Occupy protesters, according to three law enforcement officials familiar with the case.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/whit...
chunky watches fox news where they made the baseless accusation that he was some sort of occupy protester
About him breing a right-wing plant? OK, I may have over indulged there. I am sorry.
Smart enough to be part of the OWS crowd!
stil nothing to back up his claim
He did claim to be Jesus....according to someone's logic I wonder if that makes him "smart enough to be a part of the [religious] crowd!"
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-5...
It takes someone as bright as an OWS'er to try to shoot the prez, WHEN THERE WAS NOBODY HOME! He would have had to have been sleeping in the park to not know Obama was off on another vacation/campaign trip! But then, that seems to be most all of the time anymore.
crickets
Wildhorse,
You raise a valid point. From what I recall there were many instances where the tea party folks openly carried weapons. What I don't recall is them throwing rocks, spitting on police, smashing windows, starting fires, interfering with other people's rights, and committing or allowing other crimes at thier events. I wonder if the presence of firearms deterred the crimes or if the people who joined tea party rallies were just not the type of people who commit crimes, as apparently some of the occupiers are.
What are your thoughts?
And I am betting if you had access to NYPD archives you could find photographic evidence of the PD planting all the garbage and hypodermics found in Zucotti Park!
Chunky
Here is an article on Mr. Ortega which somewhat summarizes his background etc.
A quote from page two of the article:
Mr. Chapman, 21, said he had not heard Mr. Ortega talk of taking violent action. But more than a year ago, he recalled, Mr. Ortega and others watched an antigovernment film on the Internet called "The Obama Deception," which was written, directed and produced by Alex Jones, a Texas-based conservative talk show host who has espoused a number of conspiracy theories involving the federal government.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/21/us/osc...
The article also states that he spoke in favor of legalizing marijuana, so that must mean that all those favoring the legalization of marijuana are potential assassins! See how this works, Geezer?
That was a real reach, even for you!
Sounds like someone attended the same class in "how to blame conservatives for everything, even if there is no evidence supporting the claim" as our departed robo-blogger! But, I digress. Some on this site will continue to make stuff up, no matter what the truth might be.
I watched "sicko" a while back. Funny, it didn't give me the urge to go shoot a hospital or insurance CEO?
grandmajo
I did not say I endorsed that statement or that it led to anything. I provided it for Chunky, since he is the one who mocked Mr. Ortega as possibly being a right wing plant.
Read it anyway you want grandmajo - that is why I posted the article.
I let the readers decide for themselves.
So let me see if I have this correct Sam. In your worldview, when TEA Partiers complain about taxes they are patriots and true Americans. When Occupier complain about taxes they are lazy, brain-washed, Marxist thugs, and above all else whiners.
You can chastise me all you want and call me every name in the book if you choose, but the bottom line is that the only difference between the original TEA Party groups and Occupy groups is that the TEA Party was taken over by corporate and political interests. The original TEA Party was a grass roots organization for about three months.
You can call me brainwashed all you want but at the end of the day I was supportive of the basic complaints of the TEA Party (once the corporate takeover occurred they lost my support) and I am supportive of the Occupy movement. How you consider that being brainwashed I guess is something you will have to explain.
On the other side you so fully wrapped yourself up in the corporate version of the TEA Party movement that when people started showing up with negative signs about non-conservatives you happily went along with the corporate excuse that it was actually liberals holding those signs. When the Occupy movement started you happily repeated every word and insult that your corporate and Republican leaders wanted you to say, often verbatim.
So who fits the definition of brainwashed better, Sam? Someone who supported both movements or someone that repeated every line they were told to repeat?
Just what, exactly, does "done" mean?
are you that dence? it means he is no longer running his own blog. The fact that someone has to explain that to you says alot. wow
means many things grandma; much like, define "is"
The robo-blogger said,
"I have done my absolute best to keep my comments civil at all times. From time to time I have let the trolls that control this site get to me and I have sunk to their levels. Even when it comes to groups that spout of nothing but lies and misinformation I attempt to turn the other cheek. Civility no longer has a place here, and neither do I.
I am done."
Just seems to me that "done" means "gone" "finished" "no more" or just "done"! But then, that is probably just me?
Please watch this video and then try explain the difference between the tea party and OWS.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/...
These are some of their demands:
1. A "progressive" tax that doesn't hurt the poor/Close loopholes/Reform corporate offshore taxation
2. End the Federal Reserve.
3. Campaign finance reform
4. Overturn Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (corporate personhood, etc.)
5. Prosecute corporate fraud (including those who have gotten away with it)
6. Abolish the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)
7. Implement Financial Speculation Fees on large stock trades
8. Regulate/reform conflict of interest between government and business and SEC regulators
9. End all US wars and illegal combat operations
10. Prosecute US war criminals (like Chenney & Rumsfeld)
11. Repeal Gramm--Leach--Bliley Act, Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999/re-instate all provisions of Glass--Steagall Act
12. Financial Reform Package, including: Forgiving of student loans; Federal oversight/regulation of hedge funds & derivatives; mortgages can no longer be deemed commodities
13. Social Security will never be privatized or dismantled.
14. Companies will not outsource jobs and services that can be performed by Americans if their jobs and services serve American markets.
15. Bridge CEO-employee salary gap by lowering CEO earnings.
16. Make it illegal to commodify "life" or any resource necessary for the public good (philosophy of The Commons). Monsanto OUT of our food supply.
17. Election reforms to allow third parties better access
18. Department of Justice reforms to uphold civil rights in all states
19. Further health care reforms
20. Impliment green energy alternatives/hasten phasing out fossil fuels
Wildhorse,
I'm sorry I was mistaken, it was a uniformed Coast Guard member that was spat on not a police officer.
Interesting that is the only contention you have with my post. No comment on fires, smashing windows, interfering with other peoples rights. Do you have no problem with those activities?
You mention that the police didn't respond negatively to Tea party gatherings, which was exactly my point. Why do you think that is? Are police all secretly Tea Party supporters and right wing fanatics bend on dominating poor defenseless left wing sympathizers who never break laws? Or is there some other dynamic in play?
Where did I mention that
Ok then show me where a uniformed Coast Guard member was spit on and when,or was this just from some right wing blog like this one.
It was reported that a female coast guard member was spat on and a water bottle thrown at her around the boston OWS.
After the clear documentation of police brutality in several OWS demonstrations in more than one major US city--from 80 year old women getting maced, to 95 lbs Asian exchange students being battered with clubs--I think police are lucky a little spit, a few broken windows, and some trash are all they had to deal with.
Not an argument for breaking the law, just saying that police brutality can often inspire an equal and opposite reaction. That didn't seem to be the case.
The most important thing to keep in mind here is that if you are anti-Tea Party, it is easy to buy into the media's veneer plastered over the legitimate points of debate issued by the Tea Party. That veneer is that Tea Party supporters are racist, hypocritical, uneducated, gun-toting, religious zealots.
If you are anti-OWS it is just as easy to buy into the media's veneer of OWS as lazy, uncouth, drum-beating druggies, with no coherent message, or purpose other than shirking responsibility. And buying into that makes you just as likely to miss serious and valid points of debate as well.
The M-4 carrying xenophobe and the drum-beating drug addict are made to represent each movement respectively. Both portrayals are just wrong as they are right.
My memory is failing due to advanced years. Would someone please post links to where police and sanitation were called in to clean up after Tea Party rallies (or, protests, if you like) in several cities? Thanks in advance.
Don't hold your breath waiting on that doodle bug.
Remember this gem? Shall we allow Tim Proffitt's actions to represent the Tea Party so we can make it easier to ignore their criticisms?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbnEy_U9p...
Or how about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5X1Forjw...
Or this...
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/20...
There are actually a lot of these videos, much more than I thought. I wonder why the "Liberal Media" didn't do a better a job of sensationalizing the violence at Tea Party rallies. I also wonder why more Tea Partiers weren't sprayed with pepper spray and beaten with clubs.
Oh and maybe I wasn't paying attention, but can someone please post a link that shows a Tea Party rally lasting more than a a few hours? I suspect that length and commitment to the demonstration may have to do with the differences we are seeing. Thanks.
You can exhale now Doodle.
Here is a recent report about various news outlets and the role they play in informing the public on what is going on in the world.
Before you read the report make a list of the news outlets you consider to be the best at doing this task - then read the report.
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
One of the differences between the Tea Party and OWS is that the Teatards protests were few and far between. There were maybe a handful or two of protests marking certain ocassions. OWS on the other hand has been continuous and spreading since mid September.
There is going to be an obvious amount of difference in trash.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...
http://youtu.be/Wl1ObUGAoHE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUsBvkfQK...
http://www.examiner.com/populist-in-nati...
guess I have never seen people living in the park or trash in the streets in new york before.
Thanks to all for the links. Appreciated.
Thanks in particular to Geezer. That was an interesting article. I saw Condie Rice and Bill Clinton were on the Daily Show the other week. Tom Brokaw, Brian Williams, and Bill O'Reilly are frequent guests, as are several foreign heads of state. It is not surprising to learn that viewers are more informed than Fox News viewers, Jon Stewart does a good job of successfully balancing information with comedy...intellectual debate with toilet humor.
For my "off topic" contribution, and I am sure Wallis will enjoy this one:
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/22/th...
Have a great Thanksgiving weekend, regardless of the liberal disdain for the holiday!
(smiley face)
Benny - For one who takes fellow bloggers to task under the premise of their "literacy skills" - you sure may want to reconsider your position of defence.
"Yet your articles were about: 1) food, 2) garbage, and 3) an unrelated opinion piece about whether OWS makes people long for the Tea Party."
Article #1 - Among some of the notable reporting was this tidbit: "In a video posted on YouTube after protesters were evicted from Zuccotti Park, a demonstrator in the crowd says "On the 17th, we're going to burn New York City to the ground." - here is said link to said video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilq_66LnR...
A far cry from TEA Party decorum. There are many liberal OWS protesters in this crowd crying out in support of unrest, vandalism, destruction of property and making people pay.
Also was this from article #2: "City sanitation workers yesterday were forced to pick through a filthy pile of property seized from Zuccotti Park including dirty hypodermic needles, moldy food and glass-littered, broken gadgets."
Hypodermic needles - sure says drugs to me. Did you read past the headlines? At all? The sites where the TEA party rallies were held were left clean, orderly and without threats made to persons limb, life or property.
Citizens of this country know the difference Benny and bberrytard - even if you guys (gals?) don't. Most people in America live their lives by getting up every morning, facing their responsibilities, going to work, providing for their families, trying to build something positive in their lives, and enjoy some of the American dream as they go along. They know the difference between voting their conscience and going over the top. Most people in this country are conservative in their lifestyle, if not their ideology. The social experiments have failed. People are yearning for a getting back to what is right about this country - not trying to destroy something that somebody else worked for.
perhaps he was being metaphorical when he said that about new york. Was anything set of fire or was it burned to the ground on the 17th?
hypodermic needeles- sure says a blood sugar problem to me. Did you read past the head line or jump to these conclusions on your own.
sanitation workers picking through garbage, isnt that their job?
Mickel
Let me begin by saying we all have made statements that later we regret having said. You make the reference to a demonstrator saying they would burn New York City to the ground -- I also remember when President G.W. Bush made the famous speech about the invasion of Iraq on the aircraft carrier with the banner Mission Accomplished behind him in 2003.
The last paragraph of your post seems to make the same argument that teachers unions, firefighters unions, police unions, labor unions, etc., etc. are making. They also should have the right to the American Dream as you say. They are tired of political influence taking away what they have worked for their entire life. The change in tide has shown that they have seen a political arm going over the top. The defeat of the recent proposed collective bargaining legislation in Ohio is a clear example of people voting their conscience -- and getting back to what they see is right about this country.
bigdawg...??? Diabetics are pretty clean with the administration of their own medications. They understand the danger of leaving sharps around for innocents to become injured from them. Your statement is reaching at best.
Geezer - What does a militant crowd (there were several in the group going along with the instigator) have to do with the successful disarming of the Iraqi military?? You're confusing the issue.
Did I miss something? Is the OWS Protest movement made up of private union members? The movement is protesting big banking and big investing - but are they aware that the campaign donations from these businesses to Obama's campaign eclipse what all the GOP candidates combined have raised?
You raise the issue of CBA's - while not mentioning that the reason various states have been putting the kibosh on the unions CBA's; is because the taxpayers are expected to continually support the increases of public employees while tightening up their own belts...and being told it's the right thing to do. Your example is skewed. Robbing Peter to pay Paul eventually leave's Peter without anything.
And always remember that when you rob Peter to pay Paul, you are guaranteed to get Paul's vote!
Mickel
The voters made the decision to defeat the proposed legislation in Ohio - aren't they also the taxpayers?
bberry, I am guessing by your continuing use of the term "Teatards", you have no problem with conservatives mocking the OWS crowd as unwashed and filthy vermin who want everything for nothing.
I have no problems mocking either crowd. However OWStards isn't as catchy.
Would Occupy Wall Sheep work for you?
yes, they are clean with their meds, but if a diabetic is part of the ows crowd they are unwashed, dirty, filthy people are they not?
I'm not sure if that's really reinforcing your point dawg.
I am wondering if these needles were found after the forced evicitions of the OWSheep camps? I have hard time believing they were used and then simply dropped on the ground.
Although it is doubtful for junkies to worry about littering, I also find it doubtful they'd even discard the needle to begin with. But then again, I guess I am unsure either way.
evictions*
Mickel,
So I should stop holding my breath waiting for you to present evidence of "theft, rape, drug overdose, a death.." etc?
You have given me: garbage (which is a perfectly silly thing to complain about by the way), some kid's hyperbolic threat, and a couple hypodermic needles whose users may or may not have been OWS protestors. I have spent time in NYC, it is possible (even likely) that those needles would have been there regardless of OWS. My point is, if you are trying to attack the character of all OWS protestors with the actions described above, you are failing.
Regarding "Tea Party decorum", above I posted episodes of violence against counter protestors, clear racism, ugly hatred, and sheer galloping stupidity coming from the Tea Party. What you call "decorum" is no better (in fact it is much worse) than anything I have seen from the OWS crowd. A window can be replaced. A stomped head cannot. Feces on a cop car can be cleaned up. A racial epithet endures forever.
To all,
What I find most interesting about our conversations here is that the points of debate for either movement are not being questioned or examined. We have fallen into a Sisyphustic rut here...whether the OWS crowd is filthy, or whether the Tea Partiers are obnoxious slack-jawed yokels is completely beside the point. It also isn't productive.
What about the points being raised by each group?
Isn't it worth evaluating the logic of the complaints being issued by TP/OWS?
This is what the wingers want to see:
http://texshelters.wordpress.com/2011/11...
Excuse me I meant conservatives.
NY: 10/1/2011 -- Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge
Madison, WI: 10-27-2011 -- Madison Occupiers Lose Permit Due to Public Masturbation
Phoenix: 10/28/2011 -- Flier at Occupy Phoenix Asks, "When Should You Shoot a Cop?"
NY: 10/18/2011 -- Thieves Preying on Fellow Protesters
NY: 10/9/2011 -- Stinking up Wall Street: Protesters Accused of Living in Filth as Shocking Pictures Show One Demonstrator Defecating on a POLICE CAR
NY: 10/7/2011 -- Occupiers Rush Police ... More
Cleveland: 10/18/2011 -- 'Occupy Cleveland' Protester Alleges She Was Raped
NY: 10/10/2011 -- 'Increasingly Debauched': Are Sex, Drugs & Poor Sanitation Eclipsing Occupy Wall Street?
Seattle: 10/18/2011 -- Man Accused of Exposing Self to Children Arrested
10/12/2011 -- Iran Supports 'Occupy Wall Street'
Portland: 10/16/2011 --#OccupyPortland Protester Desecrates Memorial To U.S. War Dead
Portland: 10/15/2011 -- #OccupyPortland Protesters Sing "F*** The USA"
Chicago: 10/17/2011 -- COMMUNIST LEADER Cheered at Occupy Chicago
10/15/2011 -- American Nazi Party Endorses Occupy Wall Street's 'Courage,' Tells Members to Support Protests and Fight 'Judeo-Capitalist Banksters'
Boston: 10/14/2011 -- Coast Guard member spit on near Occupy Boston tents
Boston: 10/11/2011 -- Boston Police Arrest Over 100 from Occupy Boston
New York: 10/11/2011 -- "You Can Have Sex with Animals."
New York: 10/15/2011 -- Harassing Police with Accusations of Phony Injuries
New York: 10/9/2011 -- 'Occupy Wallstreet' Protesters Steal from Local Businesses
New York: 10/25/2011 -- Three Men Threatened to Kill 24-Year-Old Occupy Wall Street Protester for Reporting Rape
Baltimore: 10/18/2011 -- #OccupyBaltimore Discourages Sexual Assault Victims from Contacting Police
Portland: 10/27/2011 -- Occupy Portland's Attempt At Wealth Redistribution Ends In Theft
Los Angeles: 10/14/2011 -- Anti-Semitic Protester at Occupy Wall Street
10/27/2011 -- A Death Threat From an Occupy Wall Street Protester
10/27/2011 -- Anti-Semitic Tweet From Occupier or Sympathizer
Boston: 10/20/2011 -- Occupy Boston Doesn't Want Police Involved in Rape
New York: 10/5/2011: Anti-Semitic Occupier Screams About Jews, Israel
New York: 10/4/2011 -- Occupier Taunts Jewish Man
Boston: 10/2011 -- Occupiers Block Street
New York: 10/2011 -- Occupier Tries to Steal Police Officer's Gun
New York: 10/27/2011 -- Occupiers Block Traffic, Get Arrested
Oakland: 10/27/2011 -- Occupiers Throw Garbage at Police
Oakland: 10/19/2011 -- Abusive #OccupyOakland Protesters Ban Media from Tent City
Eugene, OR: 10/19/2011 -- Occupiers Displace Farmers' Market Threatening Hundreds of Jobs
Portland, OR: 10/18/2011 -- Capitalist Offering Jobs at Occupy Portland Finds Few Takers
NY: 10/20/2011 -- #OccupyWallStreet Threatens Businesses, Patrons
NY: 10/14/2011 -- Violence Breaks Out During #OccupyWallStreet March Toward Stock Exchange
NY: 10/14/2011 -- Protesters March On Wall Street, Scuffle With Cops
Oakland: 10/19/2011 -- #OccupyOakland Protesters Threaten Reporter
Oakland: 10/26/2011 -- Occupiers Scuffle with Police
Oakland: 10/24/2011 -- Protesters Storm, Vandalize, Shut Down Chase Bank
Dayton, OH: 10/22/2011 -- Protester: 'F*ck The Military, F*ck Your Flag, And F*ck The Police'
Chicago: 10/14/2011 -- Protesters' Message At #OccupyChicago Rally: 'Destroy Israel'
NY: 10/23/2011 -- #OccupyWallStreet Supporter Rants Against Israel, Jews
NY: 10/22/2011 -- #Occupy Kid: 'Burn Wall Street, Burn!'
NY: 10/21/2011 -- New Yorkers Fed Up With Noisy, Defecating Protesters
Oakland: 10/21/2011 -- Occupy Oakland Evicted After Reports Of Crime And Intimidation
Oakland: 10/19/2011 -- #OccupyOakland Out of Control: Rats, Graffiti, Vandalism, Sexual Harassment, Public Sex and Urination
Chicago: 10/26/2011 -- Occupiers Under Investigation by FBI for Links to Terrorism
Cleveland: 10/29/2011 -- Rape Reported at Occupy Cleveland
Dallas: 10/24/2011 -- Police Investigating Possible Sexual Assault Of Teen At Occupy Dallas
Bloomington, IN: 10/26/2011 -- Man Claims Occupy Bloomington Protesters Drugged, Handcuffed Him
NY: 10/10/2011 -- Sex, Drugs and Hiding from the Law at Wall Street Protests
Glasgow: 10/26/2011 -- Woman Gang-Raped
Boston: 10/23/2011 -- Occupy Boston Protesters Arrested For Dealing Heroin -- With 6 Year-Old in Tent
Portland: 10/16/2011 -- Sex Offender Registers Occupy Portland Camp as Address
Denver: 10/15/2011 -- Occupy Denver Demonstrator Accused of Groping TV Photographer
Lawrence, KS: 10/25/2011 -- Sexual Assault Reported at Occupy Camp
Minneapolis, MN: Bricks, Rocks, 'Riot Supplies' Discovered by Police
Phoenix, AZ: 10/27/2011 -- Neo-Nazis Patrol "Occupy Phoenix" With AR-15′s
Chicago: 10/26/2011 -- Occupy Chicago Invades City Hall
10/26/2011 -- ACORN, Occupy Email Talks About Assault on Banks
10/26/2011 -- OccupyWallStreet Strategy for Reports of Violence Against Cops
Chicago: 10/26/2011 -- Unrepentant Domestic Terrorist Bill Ayers Wows Occupiers
Chicago: 10/25/2011 -- Ayers Coaches #OccupyChicago, Callsg for School 'Occupations'
10/26/2011/ -- Occupy Protests Have Jewish Leaders Concerned
Wash DC: 10/27/2011 -- OccupyDC Leftists Provoke Police -- Hang Flag on Top of DC Statue
Albuquerque, NM: 10/26/2011 -- Occupy Squatters Riot With Police
San Diego: 10/25/2011 -- Flag Used as Chew Toy by Occupier's Dog
Oakland: 10/25/2011 -- Occupiers Throw Bottles at Police
NY: 10/27/2011 -- Occupy Wall Street Protesters: Rush Limbaugh Is Bigger Threat Than Al-Qaeda
10/27/2011 -- Occupy Wall Street Launching First Nationwide General Strike in America Since 1946
NY: 10/28/2011 -- Fox 5 News Reporter Assaulted at OWS
10/28/2001 -- Total Occupy Arrests Made Thus Far: 2750
Nashville: 10/28/2011 -- 30 Arrests Made at Wall St. Protest
NY: 10/20/2011 -- Former Marine Tries to Taunt Police into Violence
NY: 1023/2011 -- Islamist Group Joins with Occupy Wall Street
Los Angeles: 10/13/2011 -- Roundup of Overt Occupy anti-Semitism
NY: 10/12/2011 -- There are No Anti-Semites at Occupy Wall Street. Except for This Guy
Missoula, MT: 10/20/2011 -- Drunk 11-Year-Old At Occupy Missoula, Adult Arrested
Oakland: 10/28/2011 -- Bounty Out On Police Officer?
Manchester, NH: 10/28/2011 -- Woman charged with pimping teen recruited at Occupy NH rally
San Diego: 10/28/2011 -- 40 Occupiers arrested
Boston: 10/24/2011 -- Occupy Boston Vandalism of Banks
Boston: 10/25/2011 -- Store Owner Suffers 4 Break Ins Since Occupy Boston Began
Portland: 10/28/2011 -- Portland Police: Buckets of Excrement Scattered Around #OccupyPortland Camp
Seattle: 10/20/2011 -- Two Possible Occupiers Charged With Assault
Seattle: 10/18/2011 -- Armed Felon Arrested at Occupy Seattle
Seattle: 10/18/2011 -- A Tent Fight and (At Least) One Arrest at Occupy Seattle
Seattle: 10/17/2011 -- Over 50 Cops Clear Westlake Occupation, Make Eight Arrests
Seattle: 10/13/2011 -- Cops Arrest Several Occupy Protesters
Seattle: 10/13/2011 -- Chanting Protesters Surround Police After Officers Arrest Two
Denver: 10/29/2011 -- Protesters Clash with Police at OWS Denver
Austin: 10/13/2011 -- Occupy Austin protesters arrested for blocking cleaning Crews
Calgary, CN: 10/28/2011 -- Occupiers do $40,000 in Property Damage
Cincinnati, OH: 10/21/2011 -- 23 Arrested, Remains of protests fill two dumpsters
Sacramento: 10/19/2011 -- 9 arrested in 'Occupy Sacramento' protest
Sacramento: 10/13/2011 -- Four More Occupy Sacramento Demonstrators Arrested
Austin, TX: 10/22/2011 -- Man Arrested After Knife Incident at Occupy Austin Camp
Nashville: 10/29/2011 -- Tenn. Protesters Arrested For 2nd Straight Night
Austin, TX: 10/30/2011 -- Austin Police arrest 38 Occupy Austin Protesters
NY: 10/30/2011 -- Woman Assaulted in Her tent
Orlando, FL: 10/28/2011 -- Occupy Orlando, police clash over use of downtown park
Orlando, FL: 10/26/2011 -- 2 Occupy Orlando protesters arrested for trespass
Orlando, FL: 10/22/2011 -- Police arrest 19 Orlando protesters on trespass charges
Asheville, NC: 10/30/2011 -- Occupiers Clash with Homeless in Asheville
Nationwide: 10/27/2011 -- Pro-Occupy Site claims 2511 Arrests Thus Far
Fort Worth, TX: 10/16/2011 -- Arrests at Occupy Fort Worth Protest
NY: 10/29/2011 -- Three Incidents of Anti-Semitism
San Francisco: 10/29/2011 -- Anti-Semitic, Folsom Street Fair Types & Che Guevara Lovin
Oklahoma City: 10/30/2011 -- Death of Street Poet at #OccupyOKC Treated as Homicide
Baltimore: 10/31/2011 -- Woman Claims She was Raped at #OccupyBaltimore
Boston: 10/31/2001 -- Alleged Heroin Dealer Joined Occupy Movement
Ottawa: 10/31/2011 -- #OccupyOttawa Violent & Sexual Assaults Not Reported to Police
Santa Barbara, CA: 10/5/2011 -- Occupiers Defy Police
Santa Barbara, CA: 10/6/2011 -- 8 Occupiers Arrested
Denver, CO: 10/31/2011 -- Occupiers Taunt Police, Knock Motorcycle Cop to Ground
Dallas, TX: 10/24/2011 -- 23 Occupy Dallas Protesters Arrested After Bank Demonstration
Richmond, VA: 10/31/2011 -- Arrests of Occupiers in Richmond
Dallas, TX: 1v1/1/2011: Man Arrested for Child Sex assault at Occupy Dallas Camp
NY: 11/1/2011 -- Protesters Flock to STD-Test Clinics After Occupier 'Free Love'
Iowa: 11/1/2011 -- Occupiers Intend to Disrupt Iowa Caucus
NY: 11/1/2011 -- Occupy Wall Street Costs Main Street Workers Their Jobs
San Diego: 10/29/2011 -- Businesswoman Closes Shop After Threats By Occupiers
Palm Desert, CA: 11/1/2011 -- Occupiers Arrested
Tampa, FL: 10/24/2011 -- Six Occupiers Arrested
Tampa, FL: 10/27/2011 -- Two More Arrested In Connection to Occupy Tampa Movement
Tampa, FL: 10/29/2011 -- Occupy Tampa Protesters Arrested After Scuffle With Police
Oakland, CA: 11/3/2011 -- Rallies Turn Violent
Seattle, WA: 11/2/2011 -- Cops, Protesters Clash
Oakland, CA: 11/3/2011 -- Protests Degenerate Into Chaos
Tulsa, OK: 11/2/2011 -- Occupiers Clash With Police
Sacramento, CA: 11/2/2011 -- Occupiers Smash County Vehicle Windows
Philadelphia: 11/2/2011 -- Occupiers Arrested
Charlottesville, VA: 11/1/2011 -- Underage Drinking at Occupy Charlottesville Site
Portland: 11/2/2011 -- Occupier Shoves Police Officer into Moving Bus
Oakland: 11/2/2011 -- Malkin's Collection of Vandalism and Menacing Signs
NYC: 11/3/2011 -- Occupier Busted In Tent Grope, Suspected In Rape
NYC: 11/4/2011 -- 16 OWS Protesters Arrested at Goldman Sachs HQ
Oakland, CA: 11-3-2011 -- Occupy-Friendly Business Vandalized
Asheville, NC: 11/3/2011 -- 24 Occupiers Arrested
Raleigh, NC: 10/28/2011 -- Eight at Occupy Raleigh Arrested After Standoff
NYC: 11/4/2011 -- Deranged Homeless Man Goes on Violent Rampage In Zuccotti Park
Dallas, TX: CPS Seizes Baby From 'Occupy Dallas' Site
Wash DC: 11/4/2011 -- Occupier Uses Child as Human Shield -- Video
Wash DC: 11/4/2011 -- Occupiers Try to Storm Americans for Prosperity Event -- Video
Omaha, NE: 11/3/2011 -- Three Occupiers Arrested
Atlanta: 11/3/2011 -- Protester Turns On Fellow Protester With Knife
Los Angeles: 10/28/2011 -- Drug Use and Property Damage
Boston, MA: 11/4/2011 -- 3 Charged With Dealing Crack; Occupy Boston 'Deteriorating'
Boston, MA: 11/4/2011 -- Occupiers Storm Israeli Consulate; Anti-Israel Chants -- Video
Vancouver, CN: 11/5/2011 -- Occupy Vancouver Death Dooms Protest Camp
Fort Collins, CO: 11/4/2011 -- Occupier Arrested for Setting Fire to Condo Complex ... $10M Damage
Chula Vista, CA: 11/6/2011 -- Underage Girl Missing From Occupy Protests
Los Angeles, CA: 11/5/2011 -- Two Assaults Raise Concerns About Crime at Occupy L.A.
Dallas, TX: 11/5/2011 -- Eight Arrests at Dallas Bank Protest
Olympia, WA: 11/5/2011 -- Two Occupy Protesters Arrested
Seattle, WA: 11/3/2011 -- Occupiers Cost City $426,000; Most of it Police Overtime
Olympia, WA: 11/2/2011 -- 3 Occupiers Arrested for Suspected of Robbing Local Wine Merchant
Worcester, MA: 11/6/2011 -- 25 Occupiers Arrested
Milwaukee, WI: 11/2/2011 -- Photojournalist, Two others Arrested at Protest ... Video
Milwaukee, WI: 10/20/2011 -- Police Confront Occupier --Video ... Arrested
Wash. DC: 11/5/2011 -- Rampaging Occupiers Attack 78 Year-Old Woman -- Video
Rochester, NY: 11/3/2011 -- 161 Occupiers Arrested at Park
NYC: 11/5/2011 -- Police Clash With Occupiers, 20 Arrested at Courthouse Protest
NYC: 11/5/2011 -- Occupier Arrested for Vandalizing McDonald's; Wanted Free Food
Asheville, NC: 11/5/2011 -- Four Occupiers Arrested
Honolulu, HI: 11/6/2011 -- Police Arrest Half-Dozen Occupiers
Waikiki, HI: 11/7/2011 -- Two Dozen Occupiers Arrested
Portland, OR: 11/7/2011 -- Occupiers Arrested for Threatening Restaurant Employees
Portland, OR: 11/7/2011 -- Occupier Arrested for Threatening Security Staff with Hammer
Augusta, GA: 10/28/2011 -- Occupier Arrested in Knife Threat
Portland OR: 11/9/2011 -- Police Suspect Occupiers in Molotov Cocktail Attack
Sacramento, CA: 11/7/2011 -- Homeless Clash With Occupy Protesters At Park
New Orleans: 11/8/2011 -- Man Dead for Two Days Found in Occupy Encampment
San Diego: 11/7/2011 -- Occupiers Splatter Vendor Food Carts with Blood, Urine
Los Angeles: 11/7/2011 -- Occupiers Shut Down Burger King -- Video
Atlanta, GA: 11/6/2011 -- Occupiers Arrested After Attacking Police
St. Louis, MO: 11/9/2011 -- Occupiers Hack Into Mayor's Website
Oakland, CA: 11/8/2011 -- "Dangerous" Occupiers Hurting Small Business Owners
Vancouver, CN: 11/8/2011 -- Occupiers Bite Two Police Officers
Wash DC: 11/8/2011 -- Occupiers Use Children to Block Traffic -- Video
Portland, OR: 11/9/2011 -- Occupiers Threaten Citizen-Journalist -- Video
Wash DC: 11/8/2011 -- Occupiers Use Racial Taunts Against Black Security Guard -- Video
Eureka, CA: 11/9/2011 -- Occupier Defecates in Bank -- Video
Wash DC: 11/5/2011 -- Occupiers Menace Children, Female Reporter -- Video
Portland, OR: 11/8/2011 -- Occupiers Menace News Crew -- Video
NYC: 11/8/2011 -- Occupier: 'I Wouldn't Give a F**k if 9/11 Happened 911 More Times'
NYC: 11/8/2011 -- Small Business Owner Threatened, Terrorized By Occupiers
San Francisco, CA: 11/10/2011 -- Occupier Threatens Park Ranger
Burlington, VT: 11/10/2011 -- Veteran Shoots Self at Encampment
Oakland, CA: 11/3/2011 -- 'Occupy Oakland' Goes After Cop
NYC: 11/10/2011 -- EMT Assaulted at Occupy Wall Street
San Diego, CA: 11/10/2011 -- Occupier Attacks Woman with Camera
Berekely, CA: 11/10/2011 -- 39 Occupiers Arrested
Westwood, CA: 11/9/2011 -- 11 Occupiers Arrested for Blocking Traffic
Fresno, CA: 11/9/2011 -- 40 Occupiers Arrested
Toledo, OH: 11/1/2011 -- 2 Occupiers Arrested
Houston, TX: 11/9/2011 -- 10 Occupiers Arrested
NYC: 11/8/2011 -- Hobbyist Photographer Describes Assault in Zuccotti Park
Oakland, CA: 11/10/2011: Fatal Shooting Over Drugs
Oakland: CA: 11/10/2011 -- Protesters Attack News Crew Covering Fatal Shooting
Pasadena, CA: 11/10/2011 -- Occupiers Announce Plans to Disrupt Rose Bowl Parade
Tampa, FL 11/10/2011 -- Three Occupiers Arrested
Portland, OR: 11/10/2011 -- Occupiers Billed for Police Car Vandalism
Olympia, WA: 11/11/2011 -- Occupiers Asked to Pack Up After Assault, Drug Arrests
Denver, CO: 11/11/2011 -- Occupiers Storm BlogCon 11 ... One Arrest
Salt Lake City, UT: 11/12/2011 -- Protest Shut Down After Body Discovered In Tent
San Francisco: 11/8/2011 -- Shoplifting, Fights On The Rise Around Encampment
San Francisco: 11/10/2011 -- Occupiers Accused of Ferry Building Thefts, Filth
San Francisco: 11/10/2011 -- Protester Busted For Gun Violation Arrested Again
Mobile, AL: 11/9/2011 -- 18 Occupy Protesters Arrested
New Orleans: 11/11/2011 -- Death at Campsite Attributed To Alcohol Abuse
San Francisco: 11/12/2011 -- Occupier Slashes Police Officer With Razor, Another Injured
Portland: 11/13/2011 -- Three Arrested with Mortars, Fireworks
Chapel Hill, NC: 11/13/2011 -- Eight Occupiers for Trespassing
Norfolk, VA: Six Occupiers Arrested
Philadelphia, PA: 11/13/2011 -- Occupier Arrested for Rape
Portland, OR: 10/27/2011 -- Sexual Assault: 'nobody should contact the police' -- Video
NYC: 11/12/2011 -- Occupiers Plan Mass Trespassing Campaign
Oakland, CA: 11/8/2011 -- Occupiers Plan Mass Trespassing Campaign
Salt Lake City, UT: 11/12/2011 -- 19 Occupiers Arrested
St. Louis, MO: 11/13/2011 -- 27 Occupiers Arrested
St. Louis, MO: 11/12/2011 -- Occupier Arrested
NYC: 11/13/2011 -- Occupier Slugs Police Officer
Oakland, CA: 11/10/2011 -- Occupiers Withdraw Resolution to Remain Peaceful
Portland, OR: 11/9/2011 -- Occupier Requires Life-Saving CPR After Drug Overdose
Portland, OR: 11/9/2011 -- 4 Reports of Substance Abuse
Olympia, WA: 11/12/2011: Growing Number of Drug, Violence Complaints
Atlanta, GA: 11/10/2011 -- TB Breaks Out at Occupy Home Base
NYC: 11/13/2011 -- Occupy Wall Street Costs Local Businesses $479,400
Nationwide: 11/11/2011 -- Occupy Death Toll Hits 7
Seattle, WA: 11-14-2011 -- Occupier Defecates on Public Sidewalk
Hartford, CT: 10/16/2011 -- Occupier Charged After Pulling Knife
Dallas, TX: 11/14/2011 -- 9-Month-Old Baby Removed From Camp Due to Health Concerns, Neglect
Albuquerque, NM: 10/27/2011 -- 2 Occupiers Arrested
Albuquerque, NM: 10/26/2011 -- More Than a Dozen Occupiers Arrested
Albuquerque, NM: 10/22/2011 -- Knife Attack at Occupy Camp
Albuquerque, NM: 10/27/2011 -- Police Forced to Remove Occupiers From Park Again, 37 Arrested
Albuquerque, NM: 10/8/2011 -- Occupier Arrested
University of New Mexico: 11/8/2011 -- Sordid Story of Lawlessness, Dozens of Arrests, Spitting on Walmart Customer
Albuquerque, NM: 10/16/2011 -- Occupier Cited for Blocking Traffic
Portland, OR: 11/14/2011 -- 51 Occupiers Arrested
Portland, OR: 11/14/2011 -- Occupiers Smash Bank Windows
Albany, NY: 11/15/2011 -- 20 Occupiers Arrested
Near Salem, OR: 11/13/2011 -- Three Occupiers Arrested With Explosives
Wash DC: 11/11/2011 -- Occupy' Mom 'Won't Stop' Putting Protest Above Her Kids' Safety
NYC: 11/15/2011: -- Hundreds of Occupiers Arrested, Chaos, Resisting Arrest, Object Thrown at Police
Houston, TX: 11/15/2011 -- Occupier Arrested
Minnesota: 11/15/2011 -- Occupy Minnesota Costs Taxpayers $10,000+ Each Day
Austin, TX: 11/15/2011 -- Occupier Accused of Masturbating in Front of 16 Year-old Girl
San Francisco, CA: 11/15/2011 -- Deadly Dog Disease Spreads at Occupy Camp
Philadelphia, PA: 11/15/2011 -- Occupier Arrested for Assaulting Woman
Philadelphia, PA: 11/15/2011 -- Occupiers Vandalize Dilworth Plaza With Graffiti and Feces -- Video
Santa Cruz, CA: 11/15/2011 -- Ringworm, Scabies Outbreak at Occupy Camp
Oakland, CA: 11/14/2011 -- Occupiers Cost Taxpayers $2.4 Million
Wash DC: 11/16/2011 -- Suspected White House Shooter Spent Time with OccupyDC.
Pittsburgh, PA: 11/15/2011 -- Five Occupiers Arrested for Disorderly Conduct, Blocking Traffic
San Francisco, CA: 11/17/2011 -- Occupiers Storm Bank, 95 Arrested
Chicago, IL: 11/16/2011 -- Occupier Arrested for Child Porn
NYC: 11/16/2011 -- Dozens Of Hypodermic Needles Found In Zuccotti Park
NYC: 11/16/2011 -- Occupier Arrested for Making Terror Threats -- Video ... More.
Dallas, TX: 11/17/2011 -- 18 Occupiers Arrested
Charlotte, NC: 11/14/2011 -- Two Occupiers Arrested
Charlotte, NC: 11/15/2011 -- 8 Occupiers Arrested
Ottawa, CN: 10/29/2011 -- Feces, Urine, and Blood Covered Blanket Hung Over Tent
Los Angeles, CA: 11/15/2011 -- Occupier Charged With Masturbating In Front of Children
Los Angeles, CA: 11/15/2011 -- Occupier Arrested for Attempting to Light Food Vendor On Fire
NYC: 11/15/2011 -- City Claims Occupy Wall Street Protesters Were Stockpiling Weapons
Wash DC: 11/15/2011 -- Occupiers Block Traffic, Three Injuries
NYC: 11/16/2011 -- 150 Trashmen Needed to Clean Occupy Park Filth
Los Angeles: 11/17/2011 -- Occupiers Block Freeways, 26 Arrested
NYC: 11/17/2011 -- Mob of Occupiers Taunt, Bully Small School Children
San Francisco, CA: 11/17/2011 -- Lice, Fleas, Disease Spread in Camp
NYC: 11/17/2011 -- Occupiers Create Citywide Mayhem, 275 Arrested
West Jordan, UT: 11/17/2011 -- Occupier Hurls Molotov Cocktail at Bank
NYC: 11/17/2011 -- Police Officer Slashed, Others Attacked
NYC: 11/17/2011 -- Occupiers Throw Vinegar In Eyes of Police Officers
Lincoln, NE: 11/5/2011 -- 4 Occupiers Arrested at Bank Protest
San Diego, CA: 1/17/2011 -- Occupiers Hold Moment of Silence In 'Solidarity' With Accused Obama Would-Be Assassin -- Video
Melbourne, AU: 11/18/2011 -- Children as Young as 12 Given Drugs, Alcohol
Los Angeles, CA: 11/17/2011 -- Dozens of Occupiers Arrested at Bank Protest
Denver, CO: 11/16/2011 -- Residents Complain Police Response Slowed Due to Occupiers
Denver, CO: 11/17/2011 -- Occupiers Block Traffic
Denver, CO: 11/18/2011 -- Occupiers Charged With Inciting a Riot, Assaulting Police Officer
Columbus, OH: 11/15/2011 -- 7 Occupiers Arrested for Refusing to Leave Bank
St. Louis, MO: 11/18/2011 -- Woman Sexually Assaulted
Portland, OR: 11/18/2011 -- Occupier Punches Police Horse -- Video
Missoula, MT: 10/26/2011 -- Occupier Charged With Getting 11-Year-Old Drunk
Portland, OR: 11/17/2011 -- Occupier Brags About Urinating In Public -- Video
Chicago, IL: 11/17/2011 -- 58% Believe Violence Against Government Sometimes Necessary
Portland, OR: 11/18/2011 -- Ocupier Uses Infant as Human Shield -- Video
NYC: 11/18/2011 -- Mob Calls For Revolutio,n Screams "F*ck cops! F*ck police!" -- Video
Portland, ME: 11/19/2011 -- Two Occupiers Arrested for Brutal Assaults
Orlando, FL: 11/14/2011 -- Two Occupiers Fight, One Injured By Knife
Pensacola, FL: 11/18/2011 -- Occupier Charged With Burglary, Brought Furniture to Occupy Camp
NYC: 11/19/2011 -- Occupier Arrested for Blocking Traffic Also Wanted in Indiana
Philadelphia, PA: 11/17/2011 -- Occupiers Arrested During Protest
Seattle, WA: 11/17/2011 -- Hundreds of Occupiers Snarl Traffic Around Medical Center
Columbia, SC: 11/16/2011 -- At Least 15 Occupiers Arrested
Mobile, AL: 11/17/2011 -- Occupier Arrested in Government Building
Dallas, TX: 11/2011 -- Media List of Occupy Arrests, Infractions
Santa Cruz, CA: 11/19/2011 -- County Officials Release List of 93 Acts of Lawlessness In and Around Occupy Camp
Santa Cruz, CA: 11/19/2011: Occupiers Suspected of Dumping 200 Pounds of Human Feces Near Veterans Building
Berkeley, CA: 11/18/2011 -- Woman Assaulted for Refusing to Join Occupy
Des Moines, IA: 11/20/2011 -- Occupy Leader Arrested on Drug Charges
NYC: 11/20/2011 -- Occupier Arrested With Handgun, Ammo
Eugene, OR: 11/19/2011 -- Heroin Overdose at Occupy Camp
Seattle, WA: 11/19/2011 -- 70 Occupiers Trespass on Foreclosed Home
Portland, ME: 11/19/2011 -- Three Occupiers Charged, Including a Hammer Attack
NYC: 11/18/2011 -- 'Runaway Mom' Arrested for Disorderly Conduct
Hartford, CT: 11/17/2011 -- Occupiers Arrested for Blocking Traffic
Austin, TX: 11/18/2011 -- Five Occupiers Arrested for Trespassing
Minneapolis, MN: 11/20/2011 -- Occupiers Arrested for Burglary, Blocking Police Car -- Video
Oakland, CA; 11/20/2011 -- Occupiers Defy Legal Eviction, Return to Camp
Wash DC: 11/19/2011 -- 11 Occupiers Arrested for Trespassing
San Francisco, CA: 11/18/2011 -- Camp Declared Public Health Nuisance; Eviction Deadline Passes
Oakland, CA: 11/19/2011 -- Occupiers Plan to Shut Down all Ports on West Coast
NYC: 11/19/2011 -- Occupier Arrested for Forcibly Touching Woman
NYC: 11/21/2011 -- Occupiers Pledge to Stick It to Taxpayers
Houston, TX: 11/22/2011 -- 15 Rounds fired Into Occupy Camp, Gunmen Shot & Arrested
London: 11/21/2011 -- Occupiers Defecate in St. Paul's Cathedral
Oakland, CA: 11/21/2011 -- Occupy Oakland Hosts Gay Porn Movie Shoot
Oakland, CA: 11/22/2011 -- Domestic Terror Group, Weather Underground, Joins #Occupy
Columbia, SC: 11/21/2011 -- Occupiers Defy Curfew
NYC: 11/21/2011 -- Three Occupiers Arrested After Rowdy Demonstration Outside Mayor's Home
Phoenix, AZ:; 11/21/2011 -- Eight Occupiers Arrested
Albany, NY: 11/20/2011 -- 48 Occupiers Arrested
Pensacola, FL: 11/21/2011 -- City Hall Vandalized After Occupy Protest
Fort Meyers, FL: 11/20/2011 -- Occupier Arrested On Bomb Threat Charges -- Video
Milwaukee, WI: 10/20/2011 -- Occupier Arrested at Bank Protest -- Video
Nationwide: 11/23/2011 -- Occupiers Cost Taxpayers $13 million, So Far
Toronto, CN: 11/23/2011 -- 8 Occupiers Arrested
How long did that take you?
Keda46,
Of the first 20 of these accusations I found 10 to be either fake, unsubstantiated, or purposefully misleading. The integrity of the entire list is brought into question. As is your integrity for not fact-checking your regurgitation.
Fake Stories:
New York: 10/25/2011 -- Three Men Threatened to Kill 24-Year-Old Occupy Wall Street Protester for Reporting Rape
New York: 10/15/2011 -- Harassing Police with Accusations of Phony Injuries
Madison, WI: 10-27-2011 -- Madison Occupiers Lose Permit Due to Public Masturbation
10/15/2011 -- American Nazi Party Endorses Occupy Wall Street's 'Courage,' Tells Members to Support Protests and Fight 'Judeo-Capitalist Banksters'
Unsubstantiated Stories:
10/12/2011 -- Iran Supports 'Occupy Wall Street'
Phoenix: 10/28/2011 -- Flier at Occupy Phoenix Asks, "When Should You Shoot a Cop?"
New York: 10/9/2011 -- 'Occupy Wallstreet' Protesters Steal from Local Businesses
Purposefully Misleading Stories:
New York: 10/11/2011 -- "You Can Have Sex with Animals."
NY: 10/10/2011 -- 'Increasingly Debauched': Are Sex, Drugs & Poor Sanitation Eclipsing Occupy Wall Street?
Seattle: 10/18/2011 -- Man Accused of Exposing Self to Children Arrested
It took no time bberry, Keda46 cut and pasted it from biggoverment.com of some other blog full of dung beetles.
bberry,
I'm curious, does Tea Party people's behavior excuse your behavior?
Racial and gay slurs are not ok, but slurs aimed at people with cognitive disabilities are ok?
I wondered about this Ben, but figured intelligence would have trumped this by simply posting a few of the links.
SWNebr,
They were aimed at the Tea Party, but we'll see things your way and consider them the same.
bberry,
Do you consider Tea partiers beneath you because of thier views and actions?
SWNebr,
No one is beneath me, but sometimes they do have skewed political views.
The list would certainly be more effective if it wasn't so fully peppered with inaccuracies, lies, half-truths, opinion pieces, blogger commentary, etc.
I guess Keda46 is like OWS protestors in that he has a high tolerance for ridiculous amounts of garbage.
bberry,
That's nice. Why do you think using slurs directed at one group is ok but not at others?
Everyone has skewed political views.
SWNebr,
If you consider OWSheep a slur also then I used them for both groups. It doesn't mean it is more acceptable, it is simply pointing out their hipocrisy.
As far as skewed political views, I imagine you can argue this to a degree because no one thinks someone elses views aren't skewed nor would I imagine someone else thinks their own views are.
It doesn't really matter either way bberry. In the end the government will skew us all. Just the tea baggers give you something to chew on while getting skewed.
I for one am more than ready for the Tea Party's libertarian philosophies to come true here in America. I mean just look at this video, it captures everything right and true about the reduction of government...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwj...
Thanks Ben, I appreciated the chuckle.
Palin vs Hilary 2016. Mark my words. The myans were just off by 4 years.
That match-up doesn't favor Palin very well.
In other news...conservatives in Iowa are conspiring to ruin Romney's chances. Romney of course is the only candidate that is even remotely capable of beating Obama.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/23/politics/s...
bberry,
I'm disappointed you are spending so much effort trying to defend or excuse your slur. Is sheep a slur used against people with cognitive disabilities? I think you are as hypocritical as the conservatives you mock.
SWNebr,
If you were disappointed why continue to ask? There really was no justification for me using Teatard, I just didn't care about your opinion.
Who knows maybe sheep are offended by it.
as far as teatard
tard definition
n.
a person who behaves as if retarded.
re，tard，ed /rɪˈt┿rdɪd/ Show Spelled[ri-tahr-did] adjective
1. characterized by retardation: a retarded child.
re，tar，da，tion /ˌrit┿rˈdeɪʃən/ Show Spelled[ree-tahr-dey-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.the act of retarding or state of being retarded.
2.something that retards; hindrance.
3.slowness or limitation in intellectual understanding and awareness, emotional development, academic progress, etc.
4.Music. a form of suspension that is resolved upward.
So now that we have got to the bottom of teatard.
I believe the nickname of teatard fits someone that belongs to the tea party. Specifically this part (slowness or limitation in intellectual understanding and awareness).
Well Carlson, it looks worse for me if they assume I meant mentally handicapped, instead of lack of intelligence (usually offensive slang). But it didn't concern me enough to really justify it to SWNebr, because that's really all he/she has to go on. So for arguments sake, I left it alone. I thought about posting the definition but eh, why bother?
good point. I guess I will call them "tea-limitation in intellectual understanding and awareness" from now on. This will keep people from thinking I actually group these people with the mentally challenged folks.
Well you still could if you don't mind the SWNebr being disappointed with you. Somehow, I think I'll still manage to sleep at night.
As you can see, the leftist/liberal has lost the argument. The childish name calling has begun.
What argument?
excuse me I am an independent I think both repubs/teatards and dems/leftist/liberal are both idiots.
Both parties have become to narrow visioned to accomplish anything. What this country needs more then anything is a nice system flush from national down to state levels. We need to start over. Where is that easy button?
So, other than childish name calling, where do you stand?
http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=6...
I find this funny. Jimmy Fallons band played Lyin' A-- B---H as Bachmann came out. Problem is that it is accurate for any politician.
Again, other than childish name calling where do you stand?
Role of government? For example.
Other than the use of the term Teatard and SWNebr's disdain for it, you can read my stance in the rest of the comments.
It generally helps to do so before commenting though.
Where do I stand.
Cut defense budget to 1/3 and use that to secure borders.
Repeal Bush tax cuts.
Close corporate tax loopholes.
Up corporate taxes to post WW2 levels.
Give 10% tax break to companies that manufacture and put there products together in the US.
Reform Wall St. (along with a tax increase)
Privatize Social Security.
Privatize the Postal Service.
Cut all illegal benefits.
Up tariffs on foreign goods to the same levels ours are tariffed.
Charge a national tax on any products manufactured by someone who pays less then our minimum wage.
Make lobbyist illegal.
Limit campaign contributions to 2k per individule 10k per group/corporation.
Term limits for congress.
Turn education over to states.
Teachers get performance raises.
Give the ability to fire teachers back and do away with tenure BS.
Those are a few of the big things
Have tons more but you get the point.
bberry,
Other than childish name calling, I don't see much there.
Purpose of The Bill of Rights?
Well I suppose if you hadn't been following the conversation there wouldnt be.
Ah another big one. Slipped my mind for a bit.
If person or family is on any government assistance (welfare, foodstamps, unemployment)
Require 1 hour of local work per $15 they get.
Examples: Trash clean up, Public park cleaning, Mowing, weed pulling, shelter work, painting, ect.
Basically anything that needs done to local, state, or federal areas.
Very good carlsonl, very impressive indeed. Other than your insistance on raising taxes, where do you differ from the Tea Party?
LOL CPB thats part of the point. Both sides have good things to offer. But both fail to understand neither of them have the full answer. With the mess we are in we need to pull the good ideas from both sides. Also I do not believe the tea party would agree with my ideas on foreign trade. Repubs/teaparty tend to favor a system that rewards shipping jobs overseas to help the bottom line.
Tea Party is more focused along Libertarian ideals such as reducing government and any spending associated with it. They want to reform back to the basic consitution. They also generally want to reform taxes into a flat or fair tax system which would shift tax burdens from the wealthy to the middle class. They want to downsize the EPA and focus on a balanced budget. The balanced budget being one of the few things I do agree with.
What are your views CPB?
carlsonl,
Where is it stated TEA party favors shipping jobs overseas. Everything I had read indicates they want more jobs kept here. Also, the TEA party does not favor Republican candidates, more so than Democrat candidates, it just so happens Republican candidates think along the lines of the TEA party.
That doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't you favor a candidate more if they aligned with your ideals more than one of the opposite party who did not?
I believe when the tea party movement first started they had some great ideas. But the more they let corperate america (koch brothers among others) finance their party the platform changed. The things they were against they started to become. They have become puppets themselves. As far as shipping jobs overseas.
1. I didn't state that they did.
2. Their current direction indicates that they are not against it.
I also think one of the things Carlson is getting at is that they tend to refuse to close tax loopholes for corporations leaving funds overseas citing it would be raising taxes.
SO CPB I have shared mine. Care to share yours?
I think I have an idea of where you stand on things but would like to give you the opportunity to answer for yourself.
It is interesting you mention this Carlson. "Charge a national tax on any products manufactured by someone who pays less then our minimum wage."
How do you feel about our circumstance with China and keeping their Yuan artificially low? Should we still impose an import tarriff on their Tires, Steel, Clothing, etc and risk them dumping our treasury bonds?
My views, our economic system is a hybrid system. On one side, you have the private sector. This sector relies on pure capitalism. Capitalists full filling a need as society demands. Those who are innovative, profit from it. Those who who profit, demands more goods and service, and the cycle continues. Basis trickle down.
The other side of our economic system is the public sector. It is by nature, socialistic. The private sector pays taxes into the public for the "common good for all people". This includes national defense, national infrastructure, and justice. A strong national defense insures commerce occurs unhindered. A well designed national infrastructure keeps commerce flowing freely. Justice insures commerce is fair. All these, if kept pure, especially justice, would have prevented much of our economic slow downs we are experiencing now. If we wish to divide "common good for all sub-groups", shouldn't that be within the states rights?
The political battle we have today is seeing who will wield the most power. The private sector asking for lower taxes, for more capital, to keep capitalism alive. Or the public, demanding more taxes to pay for more social benefits. We see our own states duplicating the federal governments programs, thus adding to the private sectors financial stress. And very sadly, at the cost of defense, infrastructure, and justice.
I don't see anything wrong in demanding politicians follow my political belief system. I vote for those who do. Sadly, I am in the minority.
As far as the article pertains I find it interesting.
You have this dislike of the comparison of valley forge to the OWS movement. I find it offensive that the tea party refers to themselves as the tea party in association to the actual tea party. You also are under the assumption that they are all looking for handouts and too lazy to work. You get upset when they speak up during a bachmann speach, but did they not do the same to the president. So far they haven't interrupted town hall meetings (ring a bell tea partiers?).
I read a joke the other day and at first got a chuckle out of it. But, the more I think about it the more I start thinking that there is a certain truth to it.
The joke as follows.
A conversation between a OWS protestor and their therapist.
Therapist: What seems to be bothering you.
Protester: The older generations:
T: Why?
P: I was told growing up that if I didn't want to flip burgers that I need to work hard, get good grades and graduate college.
T: And?
P Now that I have graduated college and there are no jobs and I have racked up enormous debt getting the education, they call me lazy and entitled because I don't wanna flip burgers.
T: Touche
I agree with most of this. Our economy both private and public are based off of Capitalism. How well the private does also coincides with how well the public does.
So in regards to the protests, which do you believe. Do you believe fault lies within the government and overtaxing while giving bailouts? Or do you believe it is the fault of corporations mismanaging funds while receiving bailouts and then continuing mismanagement of these funds? For example Freddie Mac. I believe they just asked for more money from Uncle Sam.
As far as defense, we spend more than any other nation in the world. With China in 2nd we still spend 2 - 3x of their defense budget. You don't think we could reduce funding for this?
You were able to gather all that from my post. Not sure how. Amazing!
I'm not sure who you're referring to CPB, but if it's me, then yes. yes I did. Do I get a gold star?
bberry you and I talked about this the other day and I believe we agree on it. Correct me if I state something wrong.
Right now it is a game of chicken. If we say we are going to up the tariff's if they don't correct the value of the yuan they have the bond dump threat. We also have the threat if they dump our bonds we close out borders to their products basically killing their economy. I my opinion we have a two one lead in this aspect. If we actually grew a backbone and demaned the correction I think China would be forced to do it. If they follow through on the bond dump. I think their economic downturn would be substatial and long. We would also see a dip but I believe this would be short term as the manufacturing would come back here or just move to India.
In the grand scheme forcing china into dumping the bonds and creating a small downturn for us or correcting the value of the yuan, would be well worth either of the eventual outcomes.
Ah we did didn't we. It is probably a safe bet. China only holds around 10% of our debt, whereas we make up 4x the cost in the difference between their imports and exports. It is likely if they did we'd buy back our own debt by printing money and although it'd inflate the dollar more, it would make our costs more competitive in the global market and the economy would most likely correct before Chinas who imports a lot of food items from the U.S.
CPB I agree with some of your points. I don't agree with the defense. Do you actually look at what we spend and what we have for defense. It is crazy. The funny thing is even after we spend all that money we can't protect our borders but we sure as heck can get involved in everyone elses disputes.
Defense is one of the faults of Romney, he wants to move defense spending to 4% of GDP. Then he wants to increase our military operations globally. There was no lesson learned from Bush Jr.
This wouldn't be a bad thing if we played by the old rules. Take and keep or atleast get our money back out of it. *Sarcasm
Honestly though I do think we need to charge and atleast recover the cost for the use of our defense.
Kinda wierd how we take out a loan to defend other nations.
Yes and on top of that, billions were mismanaged. And while I forget the amount, it was substantial enough to warrant defense spending reduction(s).
I am impressed Carlsonl! You can define slurs! Feel free to define some racial epithets or maybe some of bigdawgs deameaning terms for the GLBT community. I am glad to see that you have a copy of the bigot's dictionary and are putting it to good use. You are a classy individual. I am sure that you and Bberry are a match. Dehumanization is alive and well on the McCook Gazette blog.
For the money, we have the best national defense in the world. That why the American population can go about their day and not be constantly fearful of an attack. The borders fall within the defense network, and we are weak there. At stake is a potentially huge voting block. This lies at the intersection of defense and justice.
Yes, I agree totally with the TEA Party, and to a great extent the OWS. Nobody is to big to fail and the CEO's should be brought to justice. Sadly, they are huge campaign contributors. Here, justice would have prevented this.
All of this was preventable, but we as a people live our lives looking in a mirror. All we see is us, and how we can live off the backs of others. And we, sadly vote that way.
Most of us just call it the dictionary. It's ok if you do not understand.
CPB, do you think the automatic reduction trigger set off by the deficit committee failure will leave us with a hollow defense as they say?
and the article writer calling people involved with OWS punks and punkets is any better? Before you get all high and mighty about yourself understand the context of my point. Anytime the words tard retard and retardation gets used people blow it completely out of context. As far as my use of the word in reference to tea party members I think it is warranted. Look at some of the leaders/faces of the tea party movement. Bachmann and Palin are so limited in intellectual understanding and awareness of what is going on in this country that they fit the definition of retardation, which leads to Teatard. I am sorry if you are so narrow minded that when you hear the word you automatically assume it is comparing whatever to a mentally challenged person. In no way does the perversion of the english language and the context people take words in now make me a bigot.
The fact that you associate the word tard with a mentally challenged person only shows your lack of compasion and politically correctiveness towards the challenged.
So next time before assuming someone comments are dehumanizing use your brain and think.
Also my definition was taken directly from an english dictionary and not some slang website.
The thing is CPB we could cut our defense budget in half and still have the best defense in the world. Alot of people like to say well china has 2 million troops. Do you realize 99% of that is infantry. We wouldn't have to send a troop into china to take care of that. That is another thing if we are going to sink the kind of money we do into defense we don't need to send 100k troops overseas. Most of the missions in todays style of warfare could be fought with drones and small tactical units.
Bberry the repubs are already working on a way to get out of their punishment for not getting the deal done. The way it is set up they have a year to do it. So I don't see the auto cuts ever actually happening. Heck I read reports that repubs were working on ways to change it days before the deline hit. If I was Obama I would veto any legislation that attempted to circumvent the auto cuts and let them happen. In doing so he would finally put the boot up congresses ass to get something done together that they all need.
For some reason people got the idea that it is the presidents job to set up budgets and legislation. Not really sure why.
Guess Ill have to read more into that Carlson. Interesting nonetheless. I did read where they were considering extending some of the tax cuts before the trigger ocurred. If not, it stated those making 50,000 or better could pay at least an extra 1,000 in taxes.
Either way thanks for conversation, I'm off of here for the evening. You all have a good Thanksgiving.
carlsonl,
What english dictionary? None I have looked up lists "tard". Urban Dictionary does, and it's listed as a derogatory slang. There are standards on these blogs. Do we need to refresh your memory?
The thing is carlsonl, I don't see you as a military leader. The ones we have in place are constantly monitoring the worlds situation. Each threat is different, each requires different levels of manpower, technology, and weaponry. If you had Colonial or higher, you might have some credibility.
Also remember, the Democrats still control the Senate and the Presidency, so it's difficult to assign blame to the Senate Republicans for failing.
Nope not a military leader. But I do see where the most success happens, and that is usually when we use small groups and drones. Most of our men were over there acting more as policemen then anything. I also have two half brothers, an uncle, and 4 cousins that served over there and that I have talked to about what they saw and what they were asked to do. If that helps validate my point any.
Sorry if it seemed I implied that it was all the repubs fault. I was trying to make the point that the repubs are already trying to figure out a way to get out of defense cuts. Also, it isn't a failure of the president. That isn't his job that is congresses job.
As far as tard i just went to dictionary.com
I just looked again and it says slang dictionary under it (although tard is a common replacement for retard). So you are right about that. But tearedardation or tearetard just doesn't roll of the tongue and in hindsight it probably isn't necessary to refer to them other then tea party members.
"If you had Colonial or higher"
You mean colonel?
Also remember, the Democrats still control the Senate and the Presidency, so it's difficult to assign blame to the Senate Republicans for failing.
Huh? The deficit committee was made up of 3 people of each party from both the House and the Senate. But I may have misunderstood your point.
bberry I think you did. Nobody from the tearetardation party could possibly be to blame.
Also bberry I think CPB wants me to jump in a time machine and join the "colonial" army. Then I would know all about modern day warfare.
Yes I meant colonel. Sorry about that. However, I see rather than to engage the dialogue, the two of you resoted back to childish name calling. Perhaps the two of you can go to your local playground and start an arguement with a 5 year old.
Maybe while there, the two of you can meet a person with Down's Syndrome. I'm sure they and their parents will be impressed with your definition of them. How about a person from a Spanish background, what will you label them? What about a person of African origin? Bet the two of you have some pretty neat descriptions there.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
are the spanish and africans mentally challenged??
Also, wouldn't they just be americans. If not I would probably call them illegals.
also I didn't call anyone a name I just simply defined a political party.
Where did I resort back to name calling? Or did you just not have an answer about the deficit committee?
Someone with a Spanish origin is most likely Spanish. One with African origin is African. However, being a decendant of someone from that geographical location does not mean you automatically are from the same location.
carlsonl and bberry,
Here is some more accurate information for defense of the use of slurs.
http://www.r-word.org/
Wouldn't that be against the use of slurs?
If all else fails, at least we know we can join the Tea Party.
As far as using it in a derogatory manner, why do you find it not acceptable but you do any other derogatory remarks made on this website?
not trying to defend Bachmann or Palin (but it will be taken that way), but how does the liberal crowd characterize Candidate Obama's comment about campaigning in all 57 states; or President Obama's use of the term "corps man"?
Yeah I heard about that one doodle. You can only characterize it as idiocy. However it falls along the lines of Perry not remember the third federal department he was going to axe. Or Cain stumbling over the Libya issue. Or him telling his Tea Party friends he was Koch brothers' brother from another mother. It doesn't appear any of the current candidates are exempt from stupidity.
I forgot to add about Palin. She once gave an interview saying she would not hunt an animal for its fur yet in the background there was a bearskin rug.
occasional flubs or mistakes can happen and will happen be it a dem, rep, or tea party member. That is human nature. But when it happens almost everytime you speak it tends to drift from being a just a mistake. Palin and Bachmann continue to show their lack of...um...well...fill in the blank (wouldn't want to take the chance of using a word that can be taken out of context)anytime they speak. Really isn't my fault that the teaparty chose to make Palin the face of their movement or Bachmann for a presidential canidate. When groups pick the people they want to represent them, those that are representing them tend to be the ones that people judge the group for, good or bad.
Wasn't that from 2008? Gotta go way back to dig up a campaign trail gaff?
Weird.
Clearly he was just tired from the frenetic schedule of campaigning. He later said that he meant 47 and it just came out wrong.
Anyway, I would be surprised if liberals cares much about the slip up. Obama is extremely intelligent, you won't find any reasonable person who denies that...whether or not his hyper-intelligence has translated into good policies is another story.
Happy Thanksgiving.
very good point Benevolus.
Happy Thanksgiving All
It's starting to smell pretty good around the house now. Pie crust cookies just came out of the oven and the mince meat pie is ready for putting in the oven.
Guess I better get busy and get some spuds peeled and some biscuits mixed up.
east is east and west is west; never the twain shall meet. same goes for liberals and conservatives. thus, the stalemate in which we find ourselves. AND- - - - - - also, my wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving for ALL.
We're doomed as a nation. It's just a matter of time--not more than 10 years.
Our government spends over a trillion bucks each year more than its revenues. And the Super Committee can't cut out $1.2 trillion of the deficit OVER 10 YEARS!
Here's the reason. Every time you cut anything (I don't care what it is) you lose votes. Every time you raise taxes you lose votes. Every politician's bottom line is votes.
The electorate wants a Free Lunch. The Gimme Voters have taken control--that was obvious with the election of Barrack Obama.
The top 10% of the individuals by income pay 73% of the income tax in this country. The bottom 90% pay only 27%. There just HAS to be a way to make the top 10% pay for it ALL! (it should be possible, theoretically).
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years." Alexander Tytler 1748-1813 [Tytler describes the life cycle of civilization as from Bondage to Spiritual Faith to Great Courage to Liberty to Abundance to Selfishness to Complacency to Apathy to Dependency and back into Bondage.]
Boomer
Would you please post a link to your tax percentage data?
Thanks
Here is a link with numbers pretty close to what Boomer62 brought up Geezer... http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-i...
I wonder what it looks like when you figure state & local taxes into what everyone pays...
Once you have made that calculation, I would be interested to learn what happens when you take taxes paid as a portion of income for each tax bracket.
I suspect, and I am just guessing here, that there is more than one way to define what is fair.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Thanks Brian
To reach that 73% involves getting into what is considered the middle class tax brackets. The median income taxpayer in 2009 was a little less than $33,000 with an average AGI of under $15,300.
Fifty percent of our countries taxpayers fell into this category.
If you look at just the difference between the middle class tax brackets and the upper income tax brackets it becomes clear that the middle class pays the bulk of our counties tax burdens.
For example the middle class 15% tax bracket payed more in taxes than the top two income brackets and capital gains combined together.
http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johns...
You are correct Ben. In Ne you pay 6.8% State tax rate if you make over $27,500. Add the progressive Federal tax rate and you are quickly at 41%. If you own your own home throw in property tax and WOW you get to half of every dollar fast.
How does that encourage people to try harder? It doesn't. You make my point almost every time you post about why these slackers slack. The OWS people have given up trying and have there hands out wanting something for nothing. Why do they want something nothing? Because they are tired of the government taking most of it from them when they earn it.
Lower taxes reward effort. Rewarded effort leads to more effort.
Wallis Marsh
I disagree with you Wallis. And nothing I wrote supported your point. The fact is, everyone pays taxes. This is what the right wing folks miss. Tangentially, we must ask who stands to lose the most if our systems were to fail. A poor person stands to lose a lot more than a rich person, and therefore has a greater responsibility of ensuring the longevity of the nation.
Here is a nice summary of everything I have argued before that proves your point wildly innaccurate, Wallis.
"State income taxes range from nothing up to 8% in some states. Here in Colorado, for example, we have a flat tax rate of 4.63%. These taxes are paid by more of the poor than federal income taxes, because there are fewer deductions available and they they start at lower income levels.
Property taxes are paid by all working poor as well. Even those who rent are paying the true cost of property taxes. This is clear once you understand the principle that in business all costs have to be passed on to the consumer. If taxes were doubled on property, obviously landlords would not decide to eat the loss - they pass the cost on.
The same is true of taxes on all imported goods. Those costs are passed on in the pricing, and so are paid by all consumers. Of course, this is a larger percentage of income for those who must spend a larger percentage of their income on basic goods.
By the way, the costs of corporate income taxes are also passed on in the products and services produced. If taxes on profits were paid only as owners received those profits as income, prices would likely be lower, so we pay those taxes indirectly as consumers. That's a complicated subject to be covered at another time (yes it suggests that getting rid of corporate taxes might benefit the poor).
Now, let me clarify this a bit more, because I am sure that some will argue that renters don't pay property taxes or the other half of that social security tax, or anything that I designate as "indirect." But imagine for a moment if businesses paid the total social security and income tax burden that we now pay. Would we really say that we pay no taxes? It would be technically true that no individual person paid, but of course wages would be adjusted downward to compensate for the new taxes on business.
Let me simplify this further. If in our business we could hire an employee and boost our revenue by $40,000 annually, we could pay $35,000 in total employee costs (assuming we want at least $5,000 additional profit for the trouble). If we were made to pay no other costs, we could pay the whole $35,000 to the employee. But what if we had to pay $15,000 in various taxes? Then we could only offer $20,000 in wages. So who's really paying those taxes? Clearly the employee.
Only the efforts of real people produce the wealth that is then taken as taxes, so we have to look beyond the labels and forms to see whose efforts are really paying what. You can hide the true cost to people in the various ways you arrange things, but the working poor do pay taxes directly and indirectly. Most people work by the way. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the percentage of Americans on welfare is about 2%."
Slackers are not the problem. A lack of production, access to good education, and shipping jobs overseas is the problem.
Here is a handy link to keep in your favorites. It has all historical tax rates from 1913-2011 - all in one listing.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/sho...
Someones been copy & pasting from www.99ideas.com.
http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/...
You will need Excel to open the IRS database of statistics.
bberry,
What slurs are you talking about? Which ones have I used?
And you are correct, I was trying to get you to stop using slurs in my post I ommitted a word. It should have read "your defense of slurs"
SWNebr,
So your last comment to me meant to read, "Here is some more accurate information for your defense of slurs." from "Here is some more accurate information for defense of the use of slurs."?
I'll give you some more time to think about this.
Hope you had a good Thanksgiving.
Bene your last post was excellent. Most people fail to realize this. But, as I have noticed most are unwilling to change their concepts.
Thanks carl,
But I see I made a mistake; I wrote: "A poor person stands to lose a lot more than a rich person, and therefore has a greater responsibility of ensuring the longevity of the nation."
But what I meant was...A rich person stands to lose a lot more than a poor person, and therefore a rich person has a greater responsibility in ensuring the longevity of the nation.
bberry,
Yep I mistyped, I guess you might think that makes your use of slurs acceptable.
You've still never told me what slurs I find acceptable have you thought of any yet?
SWNebr,
Yes, you certainly mistyped. You mistyped to begin with and then you clearly put a large amount of thought into correcting yourself by doing so again.
You have also clearly misread what I have typed. I will allow you more time yet but after 3 days already, I reserve my doubts.
So while you can question my use of slurs, perhaps you should spend more time rereading and thinking about what you are posting.
A glimpse at Time's persons of the year.
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/14/occup...
Yet another shining example of America's finest.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick...
I think Time was referring to Egypt and Libya.