The Slacker Rebellion

Posted Monday, October 17, 2011, at 8:54 PM
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  • Oddly, as bold a statement as Sam was making here.... I have to agree to some point. If everyone goes to college for a business degree, who makes the products and provides the labor? In the end, it's the sweat of brow that creates, the business of marketing someone's sweat equity is irrelevant if the product or service can't be provided. Higher education is a good thing to have but if it's sole purpose is to allow those which achieve it, to sit back and use others sweat and talents, then it is as easily lost as it is to be had.

    I have a younger friend whose family is quite headstrong in regard to higher education.... he, being the rebel that he is, decided to demonstrate the value of being willful and resourceful over being educated. He did NOT attend college but dove right into blue collar business. At the ripe old age of 27, he is the sole owner of a multimillion dollar company that he built with determination and personality. He was graced with the personality and better than average common sense, but I don't believe one can obtain that from any institution of higher education.

    By the way Sam..... he also, is not a big Obama fan.

    -- Posted by Nick Mercy on Mon, Oct 17, 2011, at 10:51 PM
  • Your younger friend, Nick Mercy, is living the American Dream. You can get all the education you want, but you are still working for someone else.

    Yes, this nation is run by those who do!

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Mon, Oct 17, 2011, at 10:56 PM
  • Sam,

    Saccharin, Rocket Fuel, Insulin, Vitamin D Fortification, Concrete Steam Curing, Plexiglass, Pablum, Electron Microscope, Penicillin (production method), Pap Smear, Blood Preservation, Ultrasound (pioneering work), Electronic Computer, Magnetic Core Memory, Heart-Lung Machine, Polio Vaccine, Fluoride Toothpaste, Pacemaker, Ultrasound (practical application), Seat Belt, LCD screens, Hepatitis B Vaccine, CAT Scan, MRI Scanner, MRI Technology, Kentucky Bluegrass Hybrid, countless adavance in agricultural science, LASER Cataract Surgery, Gatorade....

    ...and the list goes on ad nauseum. The world needs and has always benefited from universities, students, and researchers.

    Last year alone there were 3-5 million jobs available in technology industries worldwide. These jobs required advanced college degrees. Openings in US companies constituted the largest proportion of these available positions...the vast majority of which were filled by Chinese or Indian graduates.

    The world is becoming more technological, not less. As a result the US needs more people seeking degrees. Not less.

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 1:16 AM
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    Benevolus, Sam has a good point. A lot of kids have run up huge student loan debts to obtain worthless degrees. All the technological achievments you list were invented by people from the "hard" sciences. They were NOT produced by people with degrees in philosophy, psychology, women's studies, African-American studies, or "general" studies.

    Practical, useful degrees are generally worthwhile. But our universities have dumbed down their curriculums in many ways, by adding degrees in attendance more than anything.

    The main reason college tuitions have risen much faster than the Consumer Price Index is that the kids just enroll and the costs get added to their student loans. Nobody feels any pain from tuition increases until years later, when the student graduates or quits school. Then finding no jobs in the field of "America Sucks Studies", the poor student has no way to pay for his worthless degree.

    And the sad fact is that many parents truly believe a college education is the route to success, no matter what the degree is in. The parents make the ridiculous assumption that any and all degrees are equivalently valuable.

    My brother did not finish college. He started his own business, while I graduated with a very useful degree. I work for him now!

    -- Posted by Boomer62 on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 9:33 AM
  • Boomer62,

    On the one hand, I agree with you...

    A college degree is not worth what it once was. It used to be that students were kept in school with a story: 'go to high school, work hard, go to college, then get a good job.'

    The story used to be true.

    But you missed the biggest reason why this is not so anymore: academic inflation. It is a matter of demographics. We are in the middle of a worldwide population explosion. More people means more people going to college, more people going to college means more college degrees, more college degrees means the value of a degree is decreasing.

    Meanwhile, tuition rates are going up, especially at state institutions, which feel the crunch of the recession in the form of state budget reductions (though certainly private institutions feel the economic backlash of a recession as well).

    Moreover, folks who didn't go to college and instead went to work are finding their jobs shipped overseas, factories closed down, or have been in some other way laid off. These folks too are wandering back to colleges too.

    And as far as China and India are concerned, it isn't necessarily that their students have a stronger work ethic (though they may) but their competitiveness has everything to do with numbers of people. For example, if you take the top 25% of India's students, what we here consider "honor students," and compare them to US students you will find something scary. India has more honor students than the US has total students.

    This means one thing: investment in the education of our young people is the ONLY thing that will keep America competitive in a world that is changing technologically as rapidly and unpredictably as ours.

    On the other hand...

    You are very misguided if you think that contributions from social and behavioral science fields are lacking.

    For example, social science research has demonstrated that community-based responses to drinking and driving such as MADD, AA, etc., can actually do as much or more than law enforcement to reduce alcohol-related injuries involving automobiles (Holder et al., 2000). Moreover, public policy studies have demonstrated that certain alcohol-related policies can and do positively impact alcohol-related fatality rates.

    Also, for the more fiscal oriented skeptic, companies hire graduates from fields like sociology, psychology, African-American/Latino studies, because they want to study their customers. CEO's want to know what products their consumers desire, and how much they are willing to pay for it. Marketing is nothing more than "soft science" research with a profit motive.

    If you would like me to go on, I can regale you with more benefits and discoveries from the fields of geography, population studies, sociology, public policy analysis, etc.

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 1:22 PM
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    If I were just getting out of high school today, I would go to a vo-tech school and learn a valuable trade, instead of the college path I took.

    There's going to be a lot of money made in the trades in the coming years. Because we have told kids for 50 years now that the trades are for those who were poor students in high school, and not for the good students. There's a huge shortage of talent in the trades.

    I know too many kids who went to college and were told to take their prerequisites in the first 2 years and then major in what they found interesting. They ended up with degrees in the "soft" sciences that did not lead to any jobs. (a lot of them are on TV in the Occupy...whatever these days) So they took a teaching block, did some student teaching and became teachers. It was not a plan, and a lot of them are unhappy with teaching.

    I had a relative who got a BA in phychology, only to discover that he needed a Masters degree, as a minimum, to get a job in that field. Today most students end up with $75,000 in student loans in order to get that Masters degree in psychology. Then they get a job as an alcohol counselor and make $30,000 a year. It's a valuable contribution to society for sure, but how are they going to repay the loans? They bought an education that isn't valuable to them for the price of a home.

    On the other hand, a vo-tech for 2 years will cost far less and the graduates make more money than that.

    Benevolus, you seem like an elitist when it comes to education, so you would probably downplay the value of training in HVAC, diesel mechanics, plumbing, auto mechanics, welding and construction. But we need those kind of people, and we need skilled ones, not just the people who were at the bottom of their high school class. It's getting hard to find them these days so I know the real opportunity that exists in those fields.

    I suppose your comback will have something to do with money not being everything. I agree. You can avoid thinking about economics, if you like, but economics will not ignore you. For we live on the fruit of our labor, not on idealistic dreams.

    Far too many think work should be interesting, fulfilling, and fun. But that sounds like a description of a hobby. Work is...well, work. It's not supposed to be fun. If it were fun, people would do it for free--you know like charity work or watching the clouds or talking to TV reporters in a NYC park.

    -- Posted by Boomer62 on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 2:15 PM
  • Benevolus, completely agree with your analysis. I also wonder how much union representation there is in China and India.

    -- Posted by doodle bug on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 2:17 PM
  • Boomer62,

    Don't put words in mouth. I don't downplay vocational education, I agree with you. Between a 4-year degree in 19th Century British Literature and a 2 year associates as about anything, the smarter economic decision is almost always going to be the latter.

    I have a friend who stopped being a full-time waitress, went to a medical tech program for radiology, and in two years she increased her yearly earnings by nearly 60%. Learning a trade is valuable, and college, for her, did its job.

    But you are dead wrong about my comeback, it has everything to do with the importance of money.

    To me, it says a lot about our nation that we pay teachers so poorly, and that we treat them such irreverence and disrespect. If you look at the highest performing nations in the world where education is concerned you will notice a couple of things: 1) their teachers have a great deal of status in the community (like doctors do here). This is because 2) they are highly paid, highly skilled, experts in their field.

    If we desire great students, we need the best and brightest Americans to be in front of our classrooms, and if we want the best and brightest in front of our classrooms, the money has got to be enticing.

    Doodle Bug,

    I don't know much about unions in China and India. They may not have any (which would be ironic since China is communist). I do know that working conditions in China and India can be beyond horrible.

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 3:08 PM
  • Benevolus, we are in agreement again. I know not either re unions in China and India. There in lies the rub; we must compete in the global economy, with nations that apparently have little regard for their workers or working conditions.

    -- Posted by doodle bug on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 3:39 PM
  • Doodle bug,

    When you figure out the solution to that problem I will happily vote for your lifetime appointment as ruler of the world economy.

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 4:15 PM
  • lol I would happily do it, but, alas, I fear not enough folks would listen to me.

    -- Posted by doodle bug on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 5:48 PM
  • Maybe not...but think of it Doodle Bug, if you were ruler of the world economy you alone would be able to decide what is fair.

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 6:58 PM
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    Of course I am a fan of true "higher education". We need to study and research in Math, Biology, and other true Sciences. But, spend some time, if you can handle it, at the University of Nebraska's website. Explore the degrees, and courses offered, and see if you don't see an alarming number of completely useless courses and degrees.

    Also, there is alarming trend in recent years of Universities receiving funding for research in to the whole global warming hoax, and actually being paid with taxpayer dollars to find evidence of man made global warming whether any exist or not.

    Also, Wayne State (Detroit) was given a 2 million dollar grant via the Stimulus (Democrat slush fund and bribe pot) to study drunken Chinese hookers.

    This activity gives higher education a black eye.

    ALSO - when the left continually hammers away at business for greed, why does no-one look at they skyrocketing costs of college?

    Americans owe more in student loan debt than credit card or consumer debt. What a way to start your life, owing tens of thousands of bucks for a degree that produces no job.

    Thanks for all of your comments!

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 8:26 PM
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    Rattletrap - I understand you calling me a spewer, because I am, I guess. No doubt about it, I have a big mouth and I use it.

    But what interested me about your comment was the idea that left and right will not be able to come together and work things out.

    I don't know how old you are, but many on the right have tried working with the left. The lefts idea of compromise and working together is that those on the right give in, never the left.

    Look at Bush43, the first thing he did was let Ted Kennedy write the education bill, and throw billions away again. No child left behind was a compromise YOU cry for, and what happened? The left bashed Bush for the bill Kennedy wrote.

    The left is always interested in compromise as long as it is the right that does the compromising.

    Now we have a situation where almost no-one on the right wants to compromise again. The left has proven to be untrustworthy, and with a mega-liar like Obama (Do I really need to list all of his lies?) there can be no compromise. He, and the left must be defeated. The time for working together has passed, and the left has no one but themselves to blame.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 8:38 PM
  • yep

    -- Posted by president obama on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 11:35 PM
  • as a tradesman who has a college degree in the "soft sciences" I can say that i would not trade my 4 year degree for anything. After all, i went to college free on the taxpayers dime and came out almost student loan free thanks to the almost 700 dollars a month i got via the taxpayer. the funny thing is almost anyone can get free college the same way I did.

    -- Posted by president obama on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 11:39 PM
  • Rattletrap, I was beginning to dismiss you and your comments. Your last post COMPLETELY changed my mind. I absolutely agree with the entire post. As for Michael, I think I lost most respect for him when he continually complained about responders using the same tactics and verbage as I considered him using. And I agree with your comments re Sam.

    -- Posted by doodle bug on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 9:52 AM
  • You Tea Party people always complain about the slackers not trying to find jobs so I thought the following link would probably stimulate some interesting conversation.

    It seems the Tea Party Nation is asking the Small Business Community to not hire people as a way of keeping President Obama from getting re-elected.

    Any comments?

    -- Posted by Geezer on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 10:58 AM
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    Benevolus, thanks for the reply. You are always a gentleman with your posts.

    I think teachers are fairly compensated as it is. First, they work 185 days/year or there abouts while the rest of us work 300 days. The big payoff for them is in fringe benefits. They get the best health insurance and the best retirement in the state. In Kansas they only have to reach the magic 85--age plus years of service--to retire on KPERS which is mostly paid for by the state. If they start teaching at 22, then they can retire at age 54. They are offered 403(b) plans to defer more income if they want. With tenure their jobs are as secure as Fort Knox, too, compared to the private sector. They are required to complete CPE every year that usually results in advanced degrees in education. The union pay scales give them a raise every year for years taught, plus extra for the advanced dgrees, plus extra for cost of living raises. The news articles frequently list starting salaries, but teachers quickly advance to higher salaries.

    They can spend the summer taking classes to get paid more, work at a second job for more income, or just tour the Continent.

    All in all, not such a bad gig. I personally know several who retired in one state, then taught in a second state for a second career and a second retirement before they reached social security retirement. Many of us in the private sector have to pay for all our retirement or most of it, in defined contribution plans while teachers are all in defined benefit plans plus the 403(b) defined contribution plans.

    I respect teachers a great deal. They helped me with skills that made a huge difference in my life. In all of my grade school and high school years, I only had one bad teacher and a few mediocre ones. I am glad they get paid well.

    -- Posted by Boomer62 on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 11:13 AM
  • Benevolus, I am with your post regarding placing the importance of teachers much higher in our society. I am nearly as conservative as most of the posters on here, but call me what you will based on what I type next: in some countries, teachers have a mentor for their first years in the classroom before they're even allowed to teach on their own. They ONLY take the brightest and best in the profession. Here in the US, it would seem that the ones in education classes are the bottom of the barrel...anyone can do it! I know someone who knows someone who is going to be teaching second-graders within the next year. This particular person can barely spell, let alone teach it. Boomer62, I disagree with you rarely, but on this one I do. We can barely place enough importance on teachers. You can simplify their pay like that if you want, but until you walk a mile in a truly devoted teacher's shoes, you can't understand. The job doesn't stop at the last bell. It doesn't stop when school lets out for the summer. I know a particular teacher earning a Masters degree who will get paid no more because of this "union pay scale". This teacher is ONLY doing it for the students so the STUDENTS can get more credit. There are so many little "extras" expected of teachers that the contract does not explicitly state. I recognize that many teachers take advantage of systems and make the profession look bad, but then you have the teachers who stay behind and do all of the work for those that show up as the morning bell rings and bug out as soon as possible. I've seen it with my own eyes and the current compensation is not quite there based on the workload. If we expect them to turn out quality individuals, we need to invest in them in the beginning and throughout. It will pay dividends in our workforce, our military, and our society in general.

    I have been posting on this website, on this subject, a number of times because I guess I have an opinion on it, so here I go again. One thing we have to do is close the gap between administrators and teachers. The gap has gone from about 1.5:1 which is understandable, to 2.5:1 as administrators continue to justify pay raises for themselves. Again I say, 2% of $130,000 is a LOT different than 2% of $30,000.

    On the subject of crap classes. I noticed Southeast Community College in Lincoln is collecting money from students for Zombie Studies 101 this next semester. I AM NOT KIDDING.

    -- Posted by speak-e-z on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 12:59 PM
  • Grandmajo

    Good comments

    Over the years the Small Business Administration has assisted many small businesses in establishing a foothold to build from. Do you think that small businesses that receive federal funding should be able to manipulate hiring practices to reach political objectives?

    -- Posted by Geezer on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 1:01 PM
  • Grandmajo

    I understand where you are coming from.

    I guess I just don't understand how at a time when our nation needs the jobs to get people off the unemployment programs, this would even merit consideration.

    -- Posted by Geezer on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 1:31 PM
  • Sam,

    Regarding "soft sciences" and/or allegedly valueless majors, I have a few points:

    1) This being America, high school students should have more choices, not less. There are places where students are filtered into career and educational pathways based on their scores on a cumulative test (a la the ACT/SAT). These places are typically socialist European nations. If we desire choice and freedom to map our own trajectories, we must tolerate those who chose alternative paths from ours.

    2) If UNL opens a Women's Studies major and few students are recruited, the major will be shut down. Or, if labor trends dictate fewer positions in the real world, fewer students will be accepted into a particular program. If that constriction becomes severe enough, budgetary constraints will force colleges to shut certain programs/majors down temporarily or permanently in some cases. The most recent occurrence of this happening that I have read about was the Art Education endorsement program at UNL. If you wish to be an art teacher, you can no longer go to UNL. So the second point is that the market and consumer choice is very much in play with regard to choice of major, and the real world does get reflected in the budgets of Universities.

    Here is the bottom line for me: a student who goes into engineering and then designs bicycle frames for Fuji, and a student who goes into women's studies and then opens a temporary shelter for battered women, have both served our nation in equally important (albeit very different) ways.

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 1:35 PM
  • Boomer62,

    Thank you for the compliment. I find you interesting and despite the occasional jab, I enjoy our conversations.

    If you take a look at the ACT/SAT scores of the students who constitute the various majors in the US university system what do you think you would find? In what majors would you likely find the highest scoring students?

    If you said the highest scorers in nearly every university would be in engineering, pre-med, pre-law, architecture, geosciences, and business...and that in the majority of universities education would be constituted by the lowest scorers, then you, my friend, were right.

    Now ask yourself, if you are an American high school student with a 4.0 GPA and an ACT score of 30, why are you more likely to go into engineering, pre-med, pre-law, etc.?

    Now ask yourself, if you are a S. Korean high school student with a perfect GPA and an ACT equivalent score that ranks in the 99th percentile, why are you more likely to go into teaching?

    The answer to question one is money and status. The answer to question two is the same.

    If we want education to get better in this country, it begins with making sure that the brightest kids are attracted to teacher education programs.

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 1:53 PM
  • Grandmajo

    No matter what year or administration, there will always be doubts of what the future holds.

    Some small businesses are able to exist because they meet a very specific demand. If that demand is not met, another small business will step up to take its place. Almost every small business looks for an opportunity to increase its production or output in some manner.

    There are probably just as many small businesses waiting for a chance to take business away from a competitor. I guess if your business has that much flexibility in its growth potential, then no harm done. Or maybe the political payoff would outweigh any other considerations. It seems like a gamble to me, could go either way.

    -- Posted by Geezer on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 2:16 PM
  • Grandmajo

    I don't mean to imply anything, just seeking opinions about the concept outlined in the linked article. I am not trying to box you in, just wanted to know your thoughts. Thanks for replying.

    -- Posted by Geezer on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 2:48 PM
  • A fact your opinion is not, grandmajo. It is actually very misinformed. Scour the list below. You will find that amidst all the bailouts of big businesses, Obama's admin offered a $15 billion bailout/stimulus package to small businesses.

    In terms of big businesses coming to Washington with their tails between their legs and their hands held out, looking for some welfare...well, the lists below speak for themselves.

    Regardless, nobody in Washington has been hostile to big business or to Wall Street for the matter, not Obama, not Bush. Hence, the Tea Party, and hence the Occupy Movement.

    Just the Facts....



    $178 billion in tax rebate checks (Bush, May 2008)

    $300 billion for distressed homeowners (Bush, July 2008)

    $50 billion to guarantee money market funds (Bush, September 2008)

    $29 billion, Bear Stearns and JPMorgan chase merger (Bush, March 2008)

    $200 billion Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (Bush, July 2008)

    $25 billion to Big 3 Automakers (Bush, September 2008)

    $150 billion to insurer AIG (Bush, September-November 2008)


    $787 billion in tax cuts and job creation programs (Obama, February 2009)

    $75 billion for distressed homeowners (Obama, February 2009)

    $15 billion for small business lending (Obama, March 2009)



    $700 billion to banks, TARP (Bush, October 2008)


    $200 billion to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (Obama, February 2009)

    $30 billion for AIG (Obama, March 2009)

    $1 trillion for toxic asset program for banks (Obama, March 2009)

    $22 billion for Big 3 Automakers Chrysler and GM (Obama, March 2009)

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 5:25 PM
  • Everyone has probably heard different numbers concerning the September Jobs Report -- so following is a brief summation and a link to the Bureau of Labor Statistics Report.

    Total nonfarm payroll employment edged up by 103,000 in September. Since April, payroll employment has increased by an average of 72,000 per month, compared with an average of 161,000 for the prior 7 months. In September, job gains occurred in professional and business services, health care, and construction. Government employment continued to trend down. (See table B-1.)

    Employment in professional and business services increased by 48,000 over the month and has grown by 897,000 since a recent low in September 2009. Employment in temporary help services edged up in September; this industry has added 53,000 jobs over the past 3 months. In September, employment growth continued in computer systems design and in management and technical consulting services.

    Health care employment continued to expand in September, with an increase of 44,000. Within the industry, job gains occurred in ambulatory health care services (+26,000) and in hospitals (+13,000).

    Construction employment increased by 26,000 over the month after showing little movement since February. The over-the-month gain was due to employment increases in the nonresidential construction industries, which includes heavy and civil construction. Mining employment continued to trend up in September.

    Employment in information was up by 34,000 over the month due to the return of about 45,000 telecommunications workers to payrolls after an August strike. Manufacturing employment changed little in September (-13,000) and has been essentially flat for the past 2 months.

    Within retail trade, employment declined in electronic and appliance stores (-9,000) in September. Employment in wholesale trade, transportation and warehousing, financial activities, and leisure and hospitality changed little.

    Government employment continued to trend down over the month (-34,000). The U.S. Postal Service continued to lose jobs (-5,000). Local government employment declined by 35,000 and has fallen by 535,000 since September 2008.

    -- Posted by Geezer on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 8:13 PM
  • All empty souls tend toward extreme opinions.

    William Butler Yeats

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 9:37 AM
  • stefffanie

    You mean to tell me that all of the Nebraskans that are against the Keystone XL Pipeline construction are liberals? I thought Senator Johanns and Governor Heinemann were Republicans.

    How about the thousands of farmers and ranchers who have also come out against the project?

    Transcanada even offered to hire local people during construction and operation.

    Your argument does not hold water.

    -- Posted by Geezer on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 9:52 AM
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    It's amazing, Sam. When "your" people protest the government you call them patriots and true Americans. When anyone else that you don't consider to be of your ilk protests (and in this case for mostly the same reasons that "your" people protested) you come up with every name in the book to call them.

    You even completely destroy and ignore history in order to blame them for bailouts that were the doing of "YOUR" president.

    Are you really this hypocritical or do you think the rest of us that actually think for ourselves and remember what you have posted in the past are just too stupid to see through your hatred of all people not like you?

    As I stated before you are the brainwashed one. You have allowed yourself to believe what is spouted at you ad nauseum that you now believe that every time one of "your" people opens their mouths they speak nothing but the truth.

    The truth can set you free Sam. Just open your mind and open your eyes. Let go of the hate that not even you, yourself, understand and use your own mind for a change. It is very liberating to think for oneself.

    As stefffanie, Stepanie, ochosinco, and on, and on, and on ... likes to say:

    Just sayin'

    -- Posted by MichaelHendricks on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 11:21 AM
  • A coward is incapable of exhibiting love; it is the prerogative of the brave.

    Mohandas Gandhi

    -- Posted by Benevolus on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 11:29 AM
  • Stefffanie

    So you are saying it is fine for Conservatives to express their concerns with environmental issues regarding industry projects, but it is not acceptable for liberals to scrutinize industry for their environmental track record - I see.

    Makes no difference that we currently have over 250,000 toxic waste sites many of which are being taken care of on the tax payer dollar. As long as jobs are created that is all the justification needed in a Conservatives mind - well, except for the Keystone XL Pipeline.

    -- Posted by Geezer on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 11:49 AM
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    How unsurprisig to see you. When you say:

    "When 'your' people protest the government you call them patriots and true Americans. When anyone else that you don't consider to be of your ilk protests (and in this case for mostly the same reasons that 'your' people protested) you come up with every name in the book to call them.

    Are you really this hypocritical or do you think the rest of us that actually think for ourselves and remember what you have posted in the past are just too stupid to see through your hatred of all people not like you?"

    I'm a little confused are you talking about Sam or yourself here? It seems to apply equally to you both.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 11:51 AM
  • This Republican Party member has seen the light.

    -- Posted by Geezer on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 2:37 PM
  • Stefffanie

    The article is about Mike Lofgren, who was a GOP staffer for 30 years.

    -- Posted by Geezer on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 3:24 PM
  • Stefffanie

    RINO you say.

    The 58-year-old worked on the House Budget Committee from 1995 to 2005; from 2005 until his retirement this May, he was the chief analyst for military spending on the Senate Budget Committee. Lofgren began his career in 1983 on the staff of Rep. John Kasich, R-Ohio, who later became chairman of the House Budget Committee and is now governor of Ohio. He also worked under former Rep. Jim Nussle, once chairman of the House Budget Committee, and former Sen. Judd Gregg, once chairman of the Senate Budget Committee.

    -- Posted by Geezer on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 4:27 PM
  • Stefffanie

    Good one.

    My screen name is in honor of a sled dog I ran for quite a few years. Even when he was over 15 years old and could hardly walk, he would still get excited when I would start harnessing the dogs for a run.

    I would sometimes carry him along in the sled for a short run and it must have brought back many memories of past trails. Although he was well past his prime, he was my most valuable dog for teaching the younger pups good manners.

    My children affectionately referred to him as the old Geezer.

    -- Posted by Geezer on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 6:21 AM
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