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  • I remember watching the news about a guy who died on the steps out in front of the hospital. He lay there with a stab wound for awhile first while the hospital went about its business. I guess they were too busy to help or decided he couldent pay anyway.

    Im suprised to see you telling a toy company what kind of products they can make.

    -- Posted by president obama on Fri, Feb 25, 2011, at 5:59 PM
  • hahaha, good one ochostinko, nothing funnier then a good abortion joke. i dont know why more comedians dont open a show with them to get the crowd into it.

    -- Posted by president obama on Fri, Feb 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM
  • I must say that the ignorance expressed in the article is completely appalling. Your utter lack of regard for religious and cultural differences literally makes me sick.

    In both American and Europe we have given people the right of religious freedom. This doesn't mean that only Christians have the right to practice their religion, it means that Hindus, Muslims, Jews, etc. have to right to follow their religions too. One part of Islam is the notion of wearing a head covering. Have you ever met a Muslim? Because many Muslim women I've spoken here in America with are happy to wear the head coverings. It's not only a sign of their religion, but it makes them feel respected and keeps men from judging them by their appearance. As a Christian, I feel that modesty is important. So do these Muslim women, they just express it in a different way. Besides, the Bible commands Christian women to cover their heads as well (try reading 1 Corinthians 11:5-16).

    Muslim girls should have the option of playing with a Muslim Barbie, just like African American girls have the option of playing with an African American Barbie. It represents them. Young girls already face a lot of pressures from society to look and act a certain way. This can be really unhealthy. I realize that unless you grew up as a young girl facing these pressures it's not as easy to understand, but girls need to know that no matter what their ethnicity, religion, or even hair color that there is nothing wrong with being who they are. To make the argument that giving little Muslim girls a bit of self-esteem will lead to a Tran-sexual Barbie or a Sex Slave Barbie is completely illogical, but of course, this blog doesn't appear to believe logic and ethical conclusion making is necessary.

    It's true that there are various Islamic extremist groups, but the majority of Muslims do not believe that suicide bombings and treating women disrespectfully is right. To assume that the acts of some radical groups represent the views of an entire religion is just wrong. If that were the case, the views of all Christians would be represented by groups like the Westboro Baptist Chruch-the church that protests at military funerals and other events.

    In your blog, you've completely disregarded the distinction between Muslim and Arab, but perhaps you never bothered to find out. Arab is the ethnicity of many people who live in the Middle East. A Muslim is someone who follows Islam. The two are not synonymous. There are many Arab Christians and Jews.

    -- Posted by sajomc on Fri, Feb 25, 2011, at 10:15 PM
  • I guess it became a joke when people like you started making jokes about it

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 3:53 AM
  • I thought a guy who joked about abortion would be ok with a slight name change

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 3:54 AM
  • and thank you ochostinko, I always like your feedback too

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 3:55 AM
  • There, I believe I have expressed one thought in each of the following posts.

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 3:56 AM
  • loved the links sam, nice job

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 3:59 AM
  • yes sajomc, thats our shame. his way or the highway

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 4:00 AM
  • wow, this is fun stinko. I should have taken your apporach years ago. Nice work

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 4:01 AM
  • -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 4:09 AM
  • sorry about the misspelling,

    it was supposed to read

    Thats our sam, his way or the highway

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 5:43 AM
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    sajomc - quite conveniently you latched on to "outrageous" points of view espoused by Sam and completely avoided the real topic of the treatment of women by Muslims. In your broad and accepting view, how can you justify the devaluation of women and children by Muslims vis a vie Sharia law?

    Talk about making one sick.

    On another venue...I'm sure that the British at one point in time didn't think their current state of society could happen in their country. The problem with having an open mind is that your brain is in danger of falling out. :)

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 11:45 AM
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    sajomc - quite conveniently you latched on to "outrageous" points of view espoused by Sam and completely avoided the real topic of the treatment of women by Muslims. In your broad and accepting view, how can you justify the devaluation of women and children by Muslims vis a vie Sharia law?

    Talk about making one sick.

    On another venue...I'm sure that the British at one point in time didn't think their current state of society could happen in their country. The problem with having an open mind is that your brain is in danger of falling out. :)

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 11:46 AM
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    sajomc - quite conveniently you latched on to "outrageous" points of view espoused by Sam and completely avoided the real topic of the treatment of women by Muslims. In your broad and accepting view, how can you justify the devaluation of women and children by Muslims vis a vie Sharia law?

    Talk about making one sick.

    On another venue...I'm sure that the British at one point in time didn't think their current state of society could happen in their country. The problem with having an open mind is that your brain is in danger of falling out. :)

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 11:53 AM
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    Sorry about multiple postings....had problems with the "refresh" rate....

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 11:54 AM
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    bigdawg - actually I don't know of anybody who thinks abortion is funny. Maybe you run in different circles than I do.

    That being said, Sam stated: "We have the best health care system in the World, and unless Obamacare is stopped in its tracks, our health care system will be destroyed."

    Actually a federal judge already ruled Obamacare as unconstituional; a ruling that the current administration has chosen to illegally ignore. My question is why there isn't more outcry concerning this. The President should cease with the implementation of this law and repeal the components that have been initiated. The reason why he doesn't, as we all know; is because he's hoping enough of it becomes entrenched so that it will be all but impossible to reverse. Another good reason to show this man the door in '12.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 12:00 PM
  • Get some help Sam before your anger and hatred takes control of your life. I am not saying this to degrade or humiliate you in any way -- I am saying this as a fellow blogger concerned for your well being.

    Take care of yourself

    -- Posted by Geezer on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 12:57 PM
  • Mickel, meet ochostinko. He thinks its funny. i dont run in his circles either. he is not ignoring anything.

    I found this article on the healthcare law. I assume you mean to write "constitutional" rather then "un-constitutional"

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/07/AR2010100706497....

    or this one

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/1201/Health-care-reform-law-is-constit...

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 12:59 PM
  • Im sorry, I should have made the last post into 4 or 5 posts.

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 1:01 PM
  • I am happy that you are here to tell us how million of muslim women feel. Now I dont need to ask them all.

    I was wondering, can you tell me how anyone feels or is it just a muslim women psychic power you have?

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 1:05 PM
  • there, i managed to squeeze out another post about mickles post. I guess you could say this post counts as well. So, that 2 posts.

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 1:06 PM
  • sajomc,

    Go read 1 Corinthians 11:15. The writer, Paul, maintains the God, gave women the gift of beautiful hair as a covering on her head. That is all that is needed.

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 7:46 PM
  • CPB

    That is up for debate.

    http://mikeblume.com/hcovering.htm

    -- Posted by Geezer on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 10:37 PM
  • I see Pastor Mike Blume fails to note the culture of Corinth, for which the letter to the Church of Corinth is named Corinthians, was one of near total immorality. Prostitutes of this day usually wore closely shaved heads. It would have been difficult to be a credible witness to Christ, if you had the look of a prostitute. Immoral men during this time also had the "wild" look complete with long hair. Again, how could one be a credible witness to Christ with that look. Especially if one came from a life of sexual lust, you cannot be the witness Christ wants you to be while clinging on to the looks of your past.

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 11:00 PM
  • good job stinko, you at least managed to sum it all up in one post.

    -- Posted by president obama on Sun, Feb 27, 2011, at 12:03 AM
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    bigdawg - No. I meant UN-constitutional. It doesn't matter that another federal judge found the law constitutional - the fact that ONE judge found the law unconstitutional mandates that the law cease to be implemented. Of course Democrats, such as yourself, could care less about the law.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/durbin-obama-administration-should-enfor

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/31/judge-uses-obamas-words-against-...

    http://blog.heritage.org/2011/02/01/morning-bell-another-victory-on-the-road-to-...

    It's great that you can poke fun at the misery of human beings. I'm sure Muslim women and children love being beaten at the whim of Muslim men. I'm sure they love being treated as second class citizens. I'm confident you won't raise a finger to do a thing about the killing of innocent life or the brutalization of human beings.

    As ochosinco would say: "just sayin'"

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sun, Feb 27, 2011, at 4:30 PM
  • hahahahahhahah. I think you see misery where there is none. It is part of their religious beliefs and you dont have to like it, you just have to live with it. Why is everyone different from you wrong?

    It obviously does not mandate the law cease to exist or it would.

    So, not only do you have your finger on the pulse of a bilion muslim women, your are a constitutional law scholar.

    -- Posted by president obama on Sun, Feb 27, 2011, at 5:25 PM
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    ?? - I'm concerned you may have slipped off of your meds.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sun, Feb 27, 2011, at 8:00 PM
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    bigdawg,

    "I think you see misery where there is none. It is part of their religious beliefs and you dont have to like it, you just have to live with it."

    I find this comment troubling. Do you feel religious belief trumps human rights? Your message, because it is in repsonse to Mickel's post, seems to imply that you think it is fine for women or children to be beaten because it is a religious belief.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 11:02 AM
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    Just to clarify my comment...I specifically used the term "muslim" to differentiate from the ethnic term 'Arab'. I know that not all Arabs are muslim. However, professing muslims follow the Koran and subscribe to Sharia law. Sharia law is the legal tenet which gives muslim men specific rights as 'head of household'; including discipline. Sharia law is also the instrument which devalues women and children in general; and specifically in instances.

    I guess in this conversation, I took that as common knowledge.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 12:07 PM
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    ochosinco - I wouldn't remember the writing style of fredd, so I'll have to take your word for it. I do have to say that I got quite a chuckle out of fredd and stephanie many times.

    I posted this separately just to ingratiate fredd...er, bigdawg!

    -- Posted by Mickel on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 12:10 PM
  • transplant,

    you believe all muslim women are beaten? I think that beating your wife and reglion have nothing to do with each other. I have seen women get beat by christian husbands. Why must you push your beliefs on everyone else. You think your beliefs are correct and they think theirs is correct. They want to push their beliefs upon us and you want to push your beliefs upon them. It sounds like you have alot in common with them.

    Has it ever occured to you that there are millions and millions of happy muslim women in the world? Well, they just cant be happy, look at them, they need to be more like me to be happy.

    -- Posted by president obama on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 12:33 PM
  • http://www.suite101.com/content/history-of-wife-beating-a37587

    thought that was in interesting article. Seems the feminist movement, that Rush loves so much, helped out.

    -- Posted by president obama on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 12:41 PM
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    bigdawg - it seems SW was very intentional about differentiating basic human rights from religious norms or mores.

    How is that foisting one's beliefs upon anyone?

    -- Posted by Mickel on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 12:55 PM
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    bigdawg,

    Do you even read what I say, you take one part of my post and blow it out of proportion and try to apply it in ways no rational person would. Then you try to say that these irrational thoughts are mine.

    You've done it twice here.

    1. You said I believe collective bargaining serves no purpose.

    2. You said I think all muslim women are beaten.

    Seriously, try to read what I say rather than what you believe I think. You remind me more and more of Mike daily.

    Lets take your example to show how ridiculous your argument is:

    So do you believe that a "chrisstian husband" beats his wife and says it is his "christian duty" you just ignore it? Tough luck for the lady to marry a religious zealot? By your line of reasoning, neither you nor I can say anything against it because that would mean us pushing our beliefs on others.

    If you were asking me a question, I'm not sure because it was missing some key words, no I don't think all muslim women are beaten, in fact I have several friends who are muslim and to the best of my knowledge they don't beat their wives. I have no reason to believe they do although I can't prove that they don't if that is what you want to know.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 2:28 PM
  • Do you see the question mark? I was asking a question. Also, I was discussing this with Mickle, not you. I gave up on you a long time ago.

    It's great that you can poke fun at the misery of human beings. I'm sure Muslim women and children love being beaten at the whim of Muslim men. I'm sure they love being treated as second class citizens. I'm confident you won't raise a finger to do a thing about the killing of innocent life or the brutalization of human beings.

    As ochosinco would say: "just sayin'"

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sun, Feb 27, 2011, at 4:30 PM

    Now, does that sound like Muslim's (a reglion) beating their wives. Who is Mickle to say they are treated like second class citizens? Because he thinks so? Sams orginal blog made it sound like being a muslim woman is like being a cow.

    -- Posted by president obama on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 5:24 PM
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    bigdawg - FYI...Islam is the religion. Muslims are the followers of the faith.

    So let's ask the question. If you see a person getting a beating, are you content to just let it happen? What if it is the wife of an atheist or an agnostic? What does Nebraska state law say about domestic abuse? What does Nebraska state law say about child abuse? What does a psychologist say about the state of a person who receives regular abuse? Is the state representative of my opinion, or vice versa?

    Personally, I believe you are immature and unable to grasp the wrong in abuse that is sanctioned by a tenet of the Islamic faith. Your protests have gone far in supporting these beliefs.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 5:45 PM
  • No, No, I dont know because im not a constitutional law scholar like you, I dont know, I dont know, I dont know

    Are muslims beating their wives a big problem in the state of nebraska? Does nebraska state law have Jurisdiction in Iran? Should people in other countries live by our laws because you thinkits the best?

    Personally, i dont really care what you think of me. Your ego is getting in the way of reality. Who are you to say that the way you live your life is best for people in other countries?

    You like to make your self sound like superman flying all over the world saving women in the middle east.

    I think spousal abuse is wrong but I dont believe that a billion muslim woman are unhappy and getting beat all the time. Spousal abuse happens everywhere.

    -- Posted by president obama on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 7:08 PM
  • and quite frankly, sam poking fun at it in his blog and making light of it is what you should be discusted at

    -- Posted by president obama on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 7:09 PM
  • Are you guys really debating the resident illiterate?

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 7:33 PM
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    bigdawg,

    Sorry for my confusion, when you began your post with "transplant" I thought you were talking to me.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 7:33 PM
  • well transplant, with so many narrow minds all posting at once it does get confusing.

    yes chunky butt, i am really debating them and im about to give up.

    -- Posted by president obama on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 9:03 PM
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    I think it is unfair to imply that bigdawg is an illiterate person. Clearly he is semi-literate. I always thought that he chose the spelling of his handle to be "cool" I'm not so sure now.

    -- Posted by Sir Didymus on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 9:59 PM
  • i have been called alot worse then illerate. Unlike most of you I dont get offended or really care what a bunch of anynonmus bloggers think of me.

    I have more to worry about, like living my life like Mickle so I can be happy too.

    -- Posted by president obama on Tue, Mar 1, 2011, at 7:32 AM
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    bigdawg,

    I'm still confused, since your last post said: "well transplant, with so many narrow minds all posting at once it does get confusing." Is this one directed to me or to Mickel again? Because the last time you headed one with "transplant" you later said it was for Mickel.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Tue, Mar 1, 2011, at 10:29 AM
  • you are to easily confused

    -- Posted by president obama on Tue, Mar 1, 2011, at 3:57 PM
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    bigdawg -- Why do you immediately think of Iran when Muslims are mentioned. Are you aware of the increasingly burgeoning European population that is predominately Muslim? Ever heard of Lexington, Nebraska? It's between Kearney and North Platte.

    They have a Tyson food plant there that does a brisk business in the slaughter, dressing, cooking, packaging and distribution of beef intended for consumption by humans. This plant has a lot of immigrants who work there. Many are hispanics from Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, etc. But many are of African descent from Somalia. The Somali's are primarily Muslim...I would venture in the 90% range from my sources. (maybe more maybe less..) There is a huge problem with law enforcement in Lexington concerning police responding to incidents in the Somali/Muslim communities. Why? The Somali population is NOT interested in assimilating into the American culture, and are intent on maintaining their own identity and culture. (this is not the problem, I'm just laying out the reason for you) The problem stems from the people not respecting the authority of the State of Nebraska, Dawson County, or the City of Lexington law enforcement. They instead respect the authority of their Imam's who preach, teach, and rule over them using Sharia law.

    So...does wife abuse occur? Yes. Are charges pressed? Mostly, no - because the Imam's want to handle domestic issues "in-house". Are children mistreated? Yes. Are consequences realized? It depends on if locals detect and report the issue, as the number of reported crimes against children within the Somali community actually reported by the Somali's is low. Once the crimes ARE reported, however, appeals are made on behalf of the individuals by their Imam to again, handle the problem "in-house".

    Other unique problems that occur: The slaughter of animals in people's backyards and homes; open fires in front and backyards; property negligence and disrepair; domicile overcrowding, etc. Each of these are a unique and troubling problem for law enforcement and the citizens of the city of Lexington.

    So you see; Sharia law does affect us here in Nebraska -- and events in Nebraska DO affect me, and it DOES affect my family. The fact that you could care less about what happens to people doesn't change the fact that there are many folks around who still DO care.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Mar 1, 2011, at 7:08 PM
  • So, the people go to the the person who preaches at their church for marital disputes. OMG, wow, what are we going to do? Oh wait, i know alot of people who talk to their preacher about such issues.

    Who cares if they respect the authority of the state of nebraska? They are still bound by its laws. You dont have to respect it, you just have to live with it.

    I believe our law enforcment officers are streached to thin to begin with, the more domestic squabbles that can be worked out with out bothering the police the better.

    I respect the authority of my clergy, guess I will have to tell them that Mickle said doing that is wrong.

    So, you are aginst handling domestic issues with the husband, wife and clergy? You want the police called every time? You said it yourself, the report rate is low? where is the problem? get off your soapbox and stop acting like a hero.

    Who is the "us" that sharia affects. It has not affected me or my family. I guess if I was muslim it would affect me. The "us" that it affects are the muslims. Just like the principals of christianity affect christians.

    -- Posted by president obama on Wed, Mar 2, 2011, at 12:58 PM
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    Seriously bigdawg? You equate a marital dispute with an outright whoopin'? I'd hate to be your dog.

    I think you enjoy skewing this issue so that there are nothing but incongruent lines to your point. I'm sure you are just as passionate about protecting abortion victims.

    Actually, my initial post was to sarojmc and not to you; so to that end, I'll close my part of this dialogue with you.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Wed, Mar 2, 2011, at 4:32 PM
  • could you show me where i said a maritial dispute was just like an outright whoopin? Did it ever occur to you that these somali women dont want, or dont need your help. You sould like a liberal trying to save the poor people who really dont want you to help them. I will now close my dialogue with you

    -- Posted by president obama on Wed, Mar 2, 2011, at 5:33 PM
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