The Outer Limits

Posted Monday, December 20, 2010, at 6:30 PM
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  • same old, same old from sam. Be afraid.

    -- Posted by president obama on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 7:45 PM
  • Hallelujah Sam. Your message is loud and clear, DO SOMETHING! The church has no one to blame but itself. Today we have entire denominations preaching that Jesus is not God, but rather a good moral teacher. Some even call Him a mere profit. We have churches preaching that the virgin birth is a myth, that Jesus' earthly father was a Roman solder. If that were true, then Christianity is a lie.

    Two books in the Bible, Matthew and Luke, written about 60 to 80 years AD, clearly states that Jesus was conceived through the Holy Spirit as to eliminate the sin of man. Thus completing prophesy spoken 700 years before. It also completes the prophesy that God, through the body of a fully Holy man, would carry the weight of the world's sin upon His sacrifice. This is not only documented in the Bible, also through many, many historians throughout history. If we cannot believe this as the foundation of our faith, then what good is it?

    Without that statement of faith, what good was the example of Jesus. Given the godless world's lust for more, wouldn't it make sense to go along with it? Why worry about the poor, as long as nothing hinders you from your goal for more, shouldn't we be allowed to go for it. Isn't that what brought about slavery in the first place?

    There are those who attempt to use science to explain morality, it's a form of evolution. Logic proves it is not. Look at the atheistic nations throughout history and what they had to do to their populations just to maintain. Either evolution works faster than thought, which would disprove evolution's billions of years concept, or it is a rejection of God.

    Jesus as a socialist? Where did Jesus ever take money from those of have, and gave to those who have not. He did ask of a man to give everything and to follow Him. Sadly, the man did not and we never heard from him again. Jesus as socialized medicine? He cured, didn't ask for much in return.

    Sam is oh so right, we are replacing God with government. And those of us who call ourselves Christians have no one to blame but us. We placed our faith in a sweet talking politician to deliver us our goodies. We deserve what we get.

    So this Christmas season, give. Give freely and give as much as you can.

    God Bless

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 9:27 PM
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    "Look at the atheistic nations throughout history and what they had to do to their populations just to maintain."

    Please CPB expound upon this statement, with examples if you would.

    Also, you guys know that Christmas was once banned in American colonies because of it's pagan origins?

    http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/why-...

    -- Posted by Damu on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 10:11 PM
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    I also thought you guys may gain some enlightenment from this.

    http://www.cracked.com/article_18911_5-r...

    -- Posted by Damu on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 10:22 PM
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    Thanks Chunky for your insightful comments. We need Christ, our country needs Christ, the world needs Christ. We don't need a bunch of self promoting magicians, using the Holy name of God to get rich.

    Merry Christmas and may God Bless you.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 11:49 PM
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    Yo Ed - bro, I don't know what you a blustering about. When the crap hits the fan, you will be the first one in line begging the government for a handout, if you aren't there already.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 11:51 PM
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    Damu - who are you trying to convince?

    As far as CPB's statement, just take a look at Stalin and Mao. Fifty million murdered (of their own people) in the quest of Socialist Utopia.

    (50 million killed - this number should be posted on every single Planned Parenthood abortion mill)

    Think about that Damu. American leftists have allowed and promoted the murder of as many innocents as Stalin and Mao. Something to be proud of?

    The evidences of God are so numerous and so much a part of daily life, a person has to deny reality to claim atheism.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 11:59 PM
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    Big Dawg - Your comment was silly. It is a wise man who looks soberly upon the future.

    We need to fear Socialism.

    Socialism kills people, it kills talent, it kills food supplies, it kills dreams, it kills hopes, it kills families, it kills education, it kills freedom, it kills freedom of thought.

    Aren't you the guy that convinces his kids that the trillions of dollars you leftists have shoved upon the shoulders of the young is a good thing?

    Try and wise up, please.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 12:16 AM
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    At this time of year when we celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ; who was brought forth from the virgin's womb, was consecrated by the Holy Spirit and died innocent on the cross for the sake of the salvation of all of mankind I say...

    Seasons Greetings.

    Sam I tried your email and couldn't get through. If you are still interested in that cup of joe...send a response to mr.mikhail@hotmail.com

    God bless us all. Everyone!

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 7:05 AM
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    @Sam Pol Pot was raised Buddhist, later spent eight years in a Catholic seminary, but was more accurately described as a deist as he professed a belief in "heaven" and "destiny."

    Stalin probably was an atheist. Your argument however is flawed. 50 million people is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of people killed or tortured by "christian" leaders.

    As far as abortion. I really want you to watch this video Sam. Numbers can be confusing, I know. This gentleman does an excellent job explaining how applying numbers to humans shows some pretty scary truths.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpB....

    Actually Sam, seeing god in everything isn't easy to do. Centuries ago, of course it was. We didn't have explanations for all of the wondrous things around us.

    -- Posted by Damu on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 8:41 AM
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    Chunky:

    What denominations say that Jesus' father was a Roman Soldier? As far as I knew that was a Muslim slander against Christians. While I agree that Jesus would hardly be a Socialist by today's standards, he always seemed more of a non-political communist to me.

    Damu:

    In your attempt to argue you just look silly. Sam never said anything about Pol Pot, he mentioned Stalin and Mao your attempt to refute that argument by changing the subject looks petty and juvenile. Furthermore, when you chastise CPB for throwing out inflamatory statements without backing them up, then you later do the same thing, you appear to be a hypocrite.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 9:40 AM
  • Joy.... What a wonderful uplifting Christmas message. Yes Virginia, this is the season to vent venom at those you dislike. As I said before, Sam wouldn't recognize Christ if he sat on Sam's lap and looked at his face. Christ was an unemployed beggar and traveler the type of person Sam so despises. Couldn't you at least wait until after Christmas to spew your hate filled rants. Sam in your heart you may think you are Christian but your words speak hate and evil.

    -- Posted by BuffRoam on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 12:04 PM
  • If I recollect, there are 10 Commandments from God. I don't recall any of the ten being more important than the others. The one Sam often refers to in his abortion dialogue is "Thou shalt not kill." However, it seems Sam and many others have forgotten the ninth commandment "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". Is it not important to speak truths about men? In the eyes of God have you done so in your blog including the posting above. A man's reputation once damaged in error is difficult to reclaim. Why are you so eager to tear down others? You speak of Obama and Pelosi as if you personally know them to be unclean in the eyes of God. Are you certain of this or are you just bearing false witness that has gone unchallenged and spread by others?

    -- Posted by BuffRoam on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 12:33 PM
  • @ Damu

    "Stalin probably was an atheist. Your argument however is flawed. 50 million people is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of people killed or tortured by "christian" leaders."

    SAY WHAT?

    Christian leaders have killed more than 50 million people? You really have lost touch with reality!

    -- Posted by MrsSmith on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 12:39 PM
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    Because of several of the previous posts I offer this thread hi-jack alert.

    Getting back to the topic, Sam makes an excellent point about the 'splitting of hairs' of Christian tenets of faith while the real enemies reinforce their walls and lines against morality itself.

    On another thread there is a discussion partly involving morality - and I would like to add this: Morality aside, what ever happened to common sense. You wouldn't employ a fox to guard your henhouse; so why would you trust a politician with your money, the welfare of your family or the betterment of your society?

    Freedom needs to be exercised not exORcised.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 1:47 PM
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    @Swnebr After staying up late for the eclipse, I wasn't my normal alert self this morning. Hence, my misnaming of the other dictator example Sam so nicely gave us.

    It isn't changing the subject. In reality, pointing out the clear hypocrisy that Sam, and obviously MrsSmith operate under is the main goal. Also, MrsSmith you can start with Hitler on your list of christian leaders killing. Since obviously, one only has to claim to belong to whatever religion, or have lack of one to be counted correct?

    -- Posted by Damu on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 2:12 PM
  • "Let's be clear, God can heal anytime He wishes too, and you don't need Benny Hinn or Copeland, or Savelle, or Kenneth Hagin, or Mike Murdoch, or any of the Rolex wearing money ******, to request, or get the favor of God."

    I am not sure that following the word of Sam will provide the reader entrance through the gates of heaven. Tearing down your fellow man and violating the ninth commandment in your writings and teachings dodes not represent the word of God. Good tidings to all.

    -- Posted by BuffRoam on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 2:12 PM
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    Damu,

    But your argument was that Pol Pot wasn't an atheist, therefore it was changing the subject when Sam was talking about atheists.

    However your comparison with Hitler is also faulty, Stalin and Mao sought, nominally anyway, to set up an atheistic society. They were acting in the name of eliminating religion. Hitler was not acting the the name of creating a more Christian society. A better comparison would be Constantine or Charlemagne.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 2:21 PM
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    @SWN Perhaps my argument wasn't the most effective. Obviously, it got the point across though :).

    -- Posted by Damu on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 2:42 PM
  • @ Damu

    Hitler was not a Christian. "Mein Kampf" makes it quite clear that he considered Christians and Christianity to be tools. He also slaughtered quite a number of Christians, including my uncle.

    Aside from that minor fact, he didn't kill 50 million people.

    Atheists still "win" on a scale of 50 to 1.

    And you still win in the hypocrisy column. At least Sam and I don't spout lies to prove our points.

    -- Posted by MrsSmith on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 2:42 PM
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    @MrsSmith Hitler appears not to have not been an atheist at all. He was raised as a Catholic, regularly invoked Jesus in his speeches, and spoke often of his and the German peoples' "manifest destiny" -- a decidedly un-atheist position. It is also worth noting that aside from Hitler, the overwhelming majority of Nazi party members were religious, and it was they who committed the crimes of the Nazi party first hand. In addition, the Nazi party also officially banned books that "ridiculed, belittle or besmirch the Christian religion and its institution, faith in God, or other things that are holy.

    "faith is the sole foundation of a moral attitude" and that an attack against religion "strongly resembles the struggle against the general legal foundations of the state." He also wrote "I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work."

    -Hitler Mein Kampf

    Do tell, where in the book do the passages you speak of reside? Also, I said that was the first one on the list MrsSmith it really shouldn't be to hard to get a group together that has killed hundreds of millions.

    Your last statement is pure gold though. Please, continue commenting.

    Damu

    -- Posted by Damu on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 2:50 PM
  • Mickel,

    I agree with Sam's message. I too believe there are too many factions of Christianity. A prime example is in McCook with so many different churches and very little in common other than the main ingredient "the word of God". How many churches do we have: Paper or plastic Chistian church at the former Safeway; Catholic; two versions of Lutheran; Congregational; how many Baptists?; Methodist; Episcopal; Evangelical; and many other varieties including Community churches. They are so different from each other and there is little interaction between them. When you say Christian to whom are you referring? Does the Muslim religion have so many varieties?

    I do not agree with two things:

    1) Sam is a bad messenger for this topic. Although I think he means well.

    2) Political systems should be considered separate from Christianity.

    Christianity has prospered in the world regardless of the political system surrounding it. It was the European monarchies that sent ships to the West claiming land in the name of religion (also murdering many natives in the name of Christianity but that is another topic). I would imagine in Venezuela and Cuba two very unstable countries the primary religion is Christian. So if we have a discussion about religion then discuss religion. If you want to discuss politics then discuss politics and economic policy. But Christianity should and will rise above any political system.

    -- Posted by BuffRoam on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 3:51 PM
  • Thanks Sam! May God be with you.

    -- Posted by BuffRoam on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 4:27 PM
  • Wooooooooooooooooooooooeeeee! the accusations are flying high

    today. On the brighter side, I have noticed as I have ridden across the country that most towns that are incorporated have churches and bars. Business must be good in both fields.

    Merry Christmas & Happy New Year.

    -- Posted by Keda46 on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 6:09 PM
  • In my last post, I forgot to mention that the towns might not have any other businesses but they have churches and bars, plural or singular.

    -- Posted by Keda46 on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 8:46 PM
  • Sam

    I thought you might enjoy reading the following short article about Judson Phillips.

    Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation, one of the country's most prominent tea party organizations, really seems to despise the Methodist Church, or as he would call it, "the first Church of Karl Marx."

    The Methodist church is pro-illegal immigration," he said. "They have been in the bag for socialist health care, going as far as sending out emails to their membership 'debunking' the myths of Obamacare. Say, where are the liberal complaints on the separation of church and state?"

    Are these Conservative values?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/20...

    -- Posted by Geezer on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 7:05 AM
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    You know, it humors me. I am often criticized for "hating" those that disagree with me and yet here are one of the former criticizers (CPB) actually saying "Hallelujah" to Sam's brand of hatred. I would say it was astonishing if it weren't so darn funny.

    -- Posted by MichaelHendricks on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 9:11 AM
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    @Geezer Thanks for the link. Thus far I've really enjoyed your commentary on the site. I hope it continues. Although I enjoy people using words they don't actually know the definitions to for my own entertainment. It's nice to see a level headed poster every so often.

    regards,

    Damu

    -- Posted by Damu on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 12:45 PM
  • Mike,

    First off, all one has to do is read your posts to see your hatred and venom. It becomes more clear as you refuse to discern the difference between Conservatism, as a political ideology, and Republicans, as a political party. That argument is crystal clear and air tight.

    There are some of us who choose to live by the Biblical standard, if you wish to call us haters, so be it. But here is my challenge to you, go through Sam's blog post paragraph by paragraph and point out the hatred. I'm not talking about things you may disagree with, I'm talking about points in Sam's blog where he wishes injury or death to someone, that real hatred. Short of that, you fall into the same category as eddy.

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 4:55 PM
  • it seems to me that if people want to give their money to evangliest then they should be allowed to do so. What is this, an nanny state? Sam wants to tell people where they can spend their hard earned cash. Its my money and I will spend it like I please. I know how to spend My money better then sam does.

    -- Posted by president obama on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 6:36 PM
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    Conservatism, as a political ideology, and Republicans, as a political party

    That's very level headed of you CPB. Of course if people could understand the difference between Liberalism, Communism, Socialism, Nazism the world would be a happy place.

    Of course the itsy bitsy little fact you left out is that I know the difference between Conservatism and Republicans and I do separate the two when I discuss them. Of course, that's not even mentioning the differences within Conservatism itself, or the differences between European Conservatism and American Conservatism.

    You challenge is a very loaded challenge, because you can do the same with my blogs and find no instances of hate by your definition. To say that I hate with no evidence and then to clear Sam based solely on hatred based on wishing injury or death on someone is loaded, and you know that. This is why you threw that last part in. Of course if you expand your very narrow definition of hate which oddly enough I have yet to actually find a definition of hate that is solely wishing injury or death to someone I can fill up pages without falling into your self set up trap of simply disagreeing with someone.

    So, where do we go from here? You call me full of hate and your only bit of evidence (that you don't actually prove) is that you believe I don't separate Conservatives from Republicans, then you want me to provide instances of Sam's hate but only the kind of hate which specifically wants harm to come to another person (and you specifically say that hate is not disagreeing with someone). You use two definitions of hate for two different people. Apparently I am capable of hate because I disagree with Republicans and Conservatives but Sam isn't because he doesn't wish anyone ill will or death.

    Having said all of that here are a few examples of Sam's hate for those who disagree with him:

    "The idea was to get a Socialist candidate that would claim to be a Christian to sway enough Catholic votes, and enough "dumb" Christian votes, to get the Socialist elected, and it worked."

    He actually calls Christians that voted for Obama dumb. Oddly enough he also separated Catholics from Christians, even though they are the same thing.

    "The real culprit behind Americas' upcoming failure can be linked to our moral decline. In early Nazi Germany, Hitler had his minions go out and infiltrate the churches of Germany to accept his brand of Liberalism.

    Much as the left in America is doing today."

    He calls the left in America today the same as Nazi Germany and Hitler. He also calls Hitler a Liberal. Of course anyone who knows a little bit about history knows how inaccurate that statement is. Funny how you castigate me for the difference between Conservatives and Republicans but let Sam completely go with his complete lack of understanding of what Liberalism is.

    "In fact, examine why so many uber-leftists, who hate God, and hate Christianity (and are so accepting of Islam), support Obama when he claims to be a follower of Christ? The fact is...they know he doesn't mean it. They understand the game.

    Even as hideous as the left and their phony Christianity is, there is a far worse menace which seems to control much of Christian television or Christian thought. That menace is the phony Christian Ministries of several very wealthy so-called "televangelists" or "faith ministries." "

    These two statements are just so full of hate I had to take them together. His hatred for Obama runs so deep that he actually claims to KNOW that Obama is lying about his faith, despite not knowing the man or never having met him. He then goes on to call the left "hideous" and calls them "phony" Christians.

    -- Posted by MichaelHendricks on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 9:23 PM
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    Mike,

    Your response is a masterpiece of hypocrisy, I urge you to think about what you type and apply it to yourself as well. As soon as you admit that you do many of these things you decry others for I'll be happy. Sam is full of hate for doing the same things you do, you almost admitted it a couple of paragraphs back. You castigate Sam for "KNOW"ing what Obama thinks but yet you often have told me that you "KNOW" what I think, hmmm interesting no?

    SSDD

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Thu, Dec 23, 2010, at 8:20 AM
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    So, no input on the two varying degrees of what CPB thinks hates constitutes? It's funny though. I have no hate in my heart. I don't hate anyone that disagrees with me but you spend so much time and energy trying to convince anyone and everyone that I do. I'm surprised to see (well not really) that you are still stuck on this "KNOW" thing. I admitted that I was wrong on that many moons ago, yet you are still harping on it. SSDD indeed.

    -- Posted by MichaelHendricks on Thu, Dec 23, 2010, at 8:40 AM
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    Oh, sorry I didn't know CPB asked me a question. I think he uses "hate" much too casually as you do. There is a lot of vitriol in some of the blogs around here. If people are telling you that they see hate in your words, perhaps instead of blaming them for thinking you "hate", you should look at your words and how they are being perceived. If you looked with an impartial eye at many of your posts, you would see they are filled with as much "hate" as Sam's are.

    I think that is the biggest problem I have with your blogs, you are so quick to point a finger at others and never engage in any introspection.

    How can I not still be stuck on the "KNOW" thing, it is just as wrong when Sam or I or anyone else does it. What is so funny to me about you Mike, is that you always fail to see how what you complain about can apply to you as well.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Thu, Dec 23, 2010, at 10:16 AM
  • Hey SWNebr Transplant, care to point out where I use "hate" rather casually? My point is, none of you know what real hatred looks like or feels like. There is a huge difference between hatred and anger as expressed by Sam.

    And sorry Mike, I see eddy is swimming with the fishes.

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Thu, Dec 23, 2010, at 3:03 PM
  • I honestly don't think God cares about how a government is setup or who serves in the government nearly as much as he cares how followers actually follow him.

    Somehow I don't see God sitting on this throne saying "Oh this country has Gays in it so off to hell everyone goes."

    I think God is way more personal when dealing with people more like:

    "See Joe the firefighter,He honored me everyday, helped out his church, helped complete strangers. He died saving that kid from the burning building. Come live with me"

    "See Sally down there. She gave her coat to the freezing homeless man, you have my blessing"

    "See Mitch. He was kind to his oppressors, he tried to counsel them and forgave them for the wrongs they brought upon him, You have my protection."

    You don't honor God by speaking hate against the people that you disagree with. You earn it by showing love and compassion and with forgiveness.

    Does God honestly punish entire nations for sins of individual citizens? Or does reward those that follow him and actually honor him?

    Personally, I think that by rewarding or punishing each individual, that will have a profound effect on the nation. If he rewards more individuals then the nation as a whole wins does it not?

    We are all in control of our own personal destinies, be it heaven or hell. It doesn't matter the laws of the country, That has no bearing on if we honor God or not. The law allows for abortions, That doesn't mean Christians have to get them. And if they do, that is between them and God. If they ask for forgiveness, will he grant it? The bible does say that doesn't it?

    We do not have the ability to pass judgment on someone, God has reserved that right for himself and honestly, I think when we pass on we will be surprised on who made it the Kingdom of Heaven and who didn't.

    -- Posted by npwinder on Thu, Dec 23, 2010, at 11:47 PM
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    @mike It "humors" me that you feel the need to cross over to this blog to attack someone that isn't really posting on yours.

    -- Posted by Sir Didymus on Fri, Dec 24, 2010, at 1:05 AM
  • npwinder

    Very well said - not one offensive statement.

    Thank you

    -- Posted by Geezer on Fri, Dec 24, 2010, at 8:31 AM
  • A little off subject, but my paycheck shrunk this week. Why?

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Mon, Jan 3, 2011, at 4:11 PM
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    CPB,

    "First off, all one has to do is read your posts to see your hatred"

    You said that a couple of posts back, I'm sure I can find more examples if I must. I would say the same to you as I do Mike, everyone is free to have an opinion when people try to pass their opinion off as fact is where I tend to have issues. Also, I think "hate" is thrown around like the "race card" just a word to discredit someone without addressing his point.

    My point is that I don't think anyone here is filled with the "hate" that gets thrown around these parts. Noting wrong with being invested or angry with a situation but that doesn't equate to hate in my view. Again if you read my post I am merely expressing my opinion, I could be wrong and people don't have to agree with me. One of the differences between Mike and myself, I don't care if people disagree with me.

    Also, please note I quoted "hate" to show that I am refrencing the accusation that others hate not that I am talking about actual hatred. I certainly don't want you to think I am calling you full of hate. I may not agree with your views but I don't think you hate me for disagreeing.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Tue, Jan 4, 2011, at 3:12 PM
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    Sorry that was supposed to be "racist" not "race card"

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Tue, Jan 4, 2011, at 3:46 PM
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