The Weirdness of it All

Posted Thursday, December 2, 2010, at 1:32 AM
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    Image Copyright ?

    -- Posted by Damu on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 1:47 AM
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    Damu - You know that there is really no such thing as an atheist, don't you? The Bible says that all are born with "the measure of Faith".

    You're just in rebellion is all. God still loves you, and regardless of what you do or say, you cannot change that fact.

    Inside you know that He is. Quit fighting it.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 2:10 AM
  • Sam

    It seems you are having a little difficulty trying to connect Liberal values with all of your Conservative talking points -Liberals, the Left, Gays, Cowards, Lesbians, Muslims, Christ Mockers, Perverts, Enemies of the Truth, Pedophiles, Breasts, Homosexuals, Abortion, Christian Nation, and last but not least God -- hope I didn't miss anything.

    Through the NPG's external affairs office, [David C. Ward, a National Portrait Gallery historian who is also co-curator of the exhibit] and co-curator Jonathan D. Katz issued a statement to about the video "A Fire in My Belly." It reads as follows:

    "David Wojnarowicz went to Mexico and in Mexican life he found colorful metaphors for AIDS in America. Seeking to convey his anger at the American government for its inattention to AIDS he took images of suffering, marginality and extremity in an attempt to create and art that would awaken a sleeping populous.

    "Katz feels that there is no more potent image of AIDS in America than the image of the construction workers [in the video] standing on the concrete that they are trying to remove from the wire suspended in the air.

    "The crucifix, covered with ants, represents the lack of attention to Christian teachings in that Christian morality has been cast to the ground and the teachings of Jesus abrogated by speaking in his name. In the film this represents that the most vulnerable and the most in need are the most aggressively attacked."

    In layman terms, I think that last paragraph could be interpreted as meaning -- the lack of attention to Christian teachings has resulted in a loss of Christian morality by those people claiming to speak in his name. The most vulnerable and the most in need of the mercy of Christ are often the ones most aggressively attacked. This is especially true with those suffering from AIDS.

    Since you were brave enough to try and convince your readers that Liberal values are the source of all our countries problems -- let's just take a little peek into the world of Conservative values in the post-Christian America you refer to in your article.

    Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

    Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

    Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

    Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

    Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

    Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

    Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

    Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

    Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

    Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

    *Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    *Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

    Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

    Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

    Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

    Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

    Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

    Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

    *Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

    Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

    Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

    *Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

    Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

    *Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

    Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

    Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

    Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

    Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

    *Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

    Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

    Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

    *Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

    Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

    Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

    Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

    *Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

    Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

    Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

    Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

    *Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

    Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

    Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

    Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

    Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

    -- Posted by Geezer on Fri, Dec 3, 2010, at 8:55 AM
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    Is it your contention then that sexual assaults and the other things you catalog are examples of conservative values?

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Fri, Dec 3, 2010, at 9:07 AM
  • SWNebr Transplant

    Not at all. It is an example of those claiming to have conservative values being proven otherwise.

    On the same line of thinking, was it Sams contention to show examples of Liberal values by making his comparisons?

    -- Posted by Geezer on Fri, Dec 3, 2010, at 9:24 AM
  • Ya Eddy,over educated people scare the H### out of me...

    -- Posted by orville on Fri, Dec 3, 2010, at 5:50 PM
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    Watch out Geezer SW has a nasty way of taking something you never said out of context and then claiming (by asking if you are making the claim) that you actually did say it. He thinks he is really good at it, but he always forgets that the other person's words are right there for all to see.

    -- Posted by MichaelHendricks on Fri, Dec 3, 2010, at 11:16 PM
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    Ok I'm glad that you aren't making that claim and just wanted to clarify. I'm sure we can all agree that there are many people that fail to live up to the values they espouse, but I don't think that means the values aren't worthy of pursuit.

    When you say: "let's just take a little peek into the world of Conservative values in the post-Christian America you refer to in your article." I thought maybe you meant the Conservative values were the flaw not the people who fail to live up to those values. Perhaps you could have worded your comment a little differently to avoid giving the perception that the values were what you were criticizing not the people, because eddy, apparently took your comments as proof that all conservatives are "nothing but debased evil wrong doers wrapped in a cloak of decency" Although now that I think of it, I'm sure most conservatives, especially the Christian variety would agree that we are all "wrong doers" so he may be on to something.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Mon, Dec 6, 2010, at 10:17 AM
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    Please exercise a bit of thought when you slander someone. How could a person take something out of context if it was never said? Seriously think before you post. I also don't see why you take such offense at my asking people to clarify their posts. I suppose you would rather I just attack people based on my feelings like you do, rather than criticize based on what people say.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Mon, Dec 6, 2010, at 10:58 AM
  • SWNebr Transplant

    Good civil discussion -- Thank You.

    I have no trouble with anyone's personal beliefs. What I have trouble with is when those personal beliefs are used to belittle or ridicule someone for their lack of adhering to those personal beliefs -- as in the case of religion.

    Either Sam failed to research the issues surrounding the Crucifixion with ants, or he failed to understand the very message the Crucifixion was meant to relay, or he just decided that this was a good example of "typical liberal values" and it would stir up the emotions of the Christians in the community. How do you see it?

    I find it a little ironic that someone who I assume to have Christian values would use an image to belittle an individual or group, when that image itself was created to convey the very same hypocrisy.

    The reason I posted the partial list of Republican Sex Offenders was to show the Hypocrisy in Sams article. What's that old saying -- "Those who live glass houses should not throw stones".

    Best Regards

    -- Posted by Geezer on Mon, Dec 6, 2010, at 7:23 PM
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    While I agree most of Sam's rants are ridiculous, this one included, I dislike when people try to discredit others without looking to themselves as well. I have no problem with pointing out the flaws of specific Republicans what I don't like is the generalization that those are representative of all. Also, I would like to see you include in your list of hypocrites Democratic examples as well. You see, when all you do is complain about the other side, without acknowledging your side's failings as well, you appear to be a political hack like Sam or Mike. I'm sure you understand that both parties have many people with many flaws.

    Furthermore, posting examples of Republicans moral failings should not be an indictment of the morals themselves but only of the people themselves, anymore than an argument that Charlie Rangel's moral failings are indicative of Democrat's ideals.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 9:10 AM
  • SWNebr Transplant

    I respectfully disagree with you on portions of your statement. First of all, how did Sam even know that those people he made examples of had liberal values other than his perception of what liberal values represent? Also, were any of the people or groups he talked about (other than Samuel Adams) proven to have broken any laws? Maybe they failed to conform to Christian Moral standards, but that does not necessarily equate to breaking the law.

    The examples I gave you not only showed the moral decay of some claiming to have Christian Values, it also showed they had broken our laws in doing so. I will leave it up to you to do the research on Democratic Sexual Offenders and post it. Using your same argument, why didn't Sam also post examples of moral decay on the Republican side to balance his argument?

    You may need to correct you statement about Charlie Rangel. He was not censured due to his religious moral failings; he was censured due to ethical failings of his sworn duties to disclose financial records and possible conflicts of interest. There is a big difference -- one is governed by conceived values based on religion, and one is governed by laws which may or may not be derived from religious concepts.

    -- Posted by Geezer on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 11:14 AM
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    Well, I gave up long ago in the attempt to ask Sam to be fair. ;)

    I just didn't think you'd like to be thought of as having the same debate style as Sam. The other thing is that Sam is, I believe, incapable of acknowledging that any "Conservative" can do wrong, which is one reason his arguments are so weak.

    As I think I said, I'm not defending those people, I just don't think their failings mean there is anything inherently wrong with the morals they say they support. I also am not saying they are right either, I have my own opinions.

    After reading your post and re-reading mine, I don't think I need to correct my statement about Charlie Rangel. I see no difference in ethical conduct regardless of whether it is religious, legal, or based on what I learned watching Sesame Street. When people know they are doing unethical things they know they are wrong. My greater point was that it would be just as flawed for someone to point to Rangels faults as indicative of Democrats as I had initially thought you were indicating about Republicans with your sexpose.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 2:13 PM
  • SWNebr Transplant

    Point well made. I have thoroughly enjoyed our discussion and I will take into consideration what you have said.

    Best regards to you and Sam!!

    -- Posted by Geezer on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 3:55 PM
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