Amnesty and The Doobie Jones, Revisited

Posted Sunday, October 17, 2010, at 1:12 AM
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  • Sam,

    All the youth who would want to smoke pot legally, probably already voted for Obama the first time so they really have nothing to gain.

    -- Posted by McCook1 on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 3:57 PM
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    As real life small government conservative republicans, it perplexes me why you wouldn't be for legalization?

    -- Posted by Damu on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 12:22 AM
  • I live in the bay area and the night before last I received a call from yes on prop 19, thats the marijuana law. When I questioned the caller he couldn't answer my questions. We talked for about ten minutes and come to find out, he told me he is a conservative from Texas. When I ask him why he would be working for prop 19 in California he said its cost to control is in the billions so far and that they are having a hard time with the cartel in Texas.

    I have a small company and was concerned about the way prop 19 is written, you can't fire an employ if they are stoned, if it isn't effecting the work. However I was concerned about workers comp and the federal goverment tying up the already jammed courts of California, because it is still against the federal law.

    -- Posted by Keda46 on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 1:36 AM
  • Keda,

    The callers won't be able to answer your questions. As with all political calls, they are done through call centers (the exact same places that try selling you credit cards and insurance) and they only have what is on their script. I know because in a past life, I did some of that. We had a Democrat from the Northeast who hired our company to make calls for her campaign. Needless to say, she lost. You just read the script but the callers probably could care less whether the issue passes or fails.

    -- Posted by McCook1 on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 12:38 PM
  • I know people like playing semantics so I'll correct myself and say "most" political calls are through call centers.

    -- Posted by McCook1 on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 12:39 PM
  • Thank you McCook1, I didn't know that.

    -- Posted by Keda46 on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 8:33 PM
  • Yet Obama has said he'd send the DEA in to enforce the federal laws. Miracle marijuana is ok, Completely legal marijuana is not.

    -- Posted by npwinder on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 10:08 PM
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    Obama said he would quit enforcing the federal government's raids on medical marijuana dispensaries. Sad to see that campaign promise out the window.

    Actually, I imagined most of you would be up in arms about this. Since this is an actual assault by the federal government on the will of the people. Unlike many of the imagined ones you guys like to bat around.

    Completely legal marijuana would be great. Actually health wise, it would be better than alcohol, cigarettes, and the majority of prescription medication. Not to mention adding another possible crop into the rotation here in Nebraska. There are many many positives to it, and pretty much ZERO negatives.

    -- Posted by Damu on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 9:45 AM
  • Is it just me or does anyone else see the irony in the marijuana supporter accusing others of "imagining" things. Btw, marijuana is not any different than tobacco. All the radioactive elements inside of tobacco are inside of marijuana because they occur naturally in the soil that they are both grown in. They still have tar except they have no filters. The whole marijuana is safer than cigarettes is a tired argument that dopers have been trying to make for years because it's "natural". Well, tobacco is natural too. If it's legalized, once the initial support fades away, they'll get hit with the same in depth studies that tobacco did and be in the exact same boat as tobacco (no pun intended).

    -- Posted by McCook1 on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 2:28 PM
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    @McCook1 You may not realize this, and I forgive you for it. The main ingredient in Tobacco (Nicotine) is a deadly poison. A single drop of pure nicotine will kill and adult human. Marijuana on the other hand's LD50 is impossible to reach. Let me restate that THERE IS NO HUMANLY POSSIBLE WAY TO DIE FROM MARIJUANA.

    Marijuana doesn't cause cancer, in fact studies show it actually retards the growth of cancerous cells. There are many studies on both of these perhaps you should do some more research.

    -- Posted by Damu on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 9:59 PM
  • -- Posted by Damu on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 10:04 PM
  • There is no humanly possible way to die from marijuana. I can think of a few, lung cancer and driving 25mph in the fast lane on a six lane freeway.

    -- Posted by Keda46 on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 11:26 PM
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    People who smoke marijuana have no higher rate of cancer than people who don't. However, the people who smoke cigarettes rates skyrocket."

    "There have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to marijuana, and in a large study presented to the American Thoracic Society in 2006, even heavy users of smoked marijuana were found not to have any increased risk of lung cancer. Unlike heavy tobacco smokers, heavy marijuana smokers exhibit no obstruction of the lung's small airway. That indicates that people will not develop emphysema from smoking marijuana."

    I don't really think people should drive on marijuana either. It should be common sense that driving under the influence of any substance that effects your ability to operate a vehicle isn't a great idea.

    I'm curious how many people you know who have been in horrible car accidents because they were on marijuana compared to driving drunk? Scientists seem to think driving under it is safer, although still not a great idea.

    -- Posted by Damu on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 12:06 AM
  • So your argument for marijuana is "marijuana- it can't kill you"? Haha, good luck with that. Perhaps you should also go back and read my post since I made absolutely no mention of lung cancer. I said there was tar in it, which there is. There are radioactive elements like uranium in it just like tobacco smoke, which there is. How much uranium does it take to kill an adult human btw? I'm sure they wouldn't allow that much in there anyway, just like they don't allow enough nicotine in a cigarette to kill an adult human.

    I did say that eventually, marijuana would be aggressively targeted like tobacco if it were legalized and they would crack down on it just like they did cigarettes and they would.

    -- Posted by McCook1 on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 6:19 PM
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    @Mccook1 Actually your right, you really didn't say anything above. I was drawing parallels between tobacco and marijuana. As your not really aware, they aren't the same thing.

    Marijuana isn't safer because its natural, its safer because it's main ingredient isn't a deadly poison. You can die from a single can of chew. All you have to do is boil it for a bit and then jam your finger in the nicotine syrup that is created.

    My argument is, that as a free citizen of America I should be able to do anything I want. As long as it doesn't trample on the constitutional rights of any other American.

    -- Posted by Damu on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 7:20 PM
  • The whole driving 25 mph on a freeway was ment as a joke. Anyone who has smoked knows that you slow down when driving, because of paranoia the self destroyer.

    As far as the cancer thing I was assuming, Thanks for the info.

    -- Posted by Keda46 on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 7:48 PM
  • While I do believe weed should be treated like alcohol and tobacco, legal, but taxed excessively, it's use should be absolutely discouraged. As a former user, and user of alcohol, you can easily observe the retardation effect both have on the mind, especially the emotional component. Users are simply numb to the realities of life, both the good and bad. Because of this, they tend to vote Democrat.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 10:21 PM
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    @CPB Really all drug use should be discouraged. Especially nicotine and alcohol. We should however all have a choice. This used to be a republican view. What happened?

    -- Posted by Damu on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 12:31 AM
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    Arguments pertaining to the non-lethal nature of marijuana aside (and being seriously questioned by this observer) - I don't think I would want our airline pilots, school bus drivers or school teachers for that matter; partaking of said "legal" substance and then performing their assigned duties.

    Wasn't there just a news-story about auto-makers in Detroit loading up on break-time and then going back to building cars? Would that be a good idea too? To let these guys assemble transmissions after getting loaded?

    Hmmm. No thanks. Keep it illegal. Alcohol metabolizes rather rapidly compared to THC.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 4:48 PM
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    @Mickel Well, then quite obviously you have no idea what your talking about. A three second search would turn up all the results you need. I don't however recommend looking to the reefer madness videos for your education, unless you want to get a good laugh.

    Do we have scores of people who go to work drunk right now? How about high on prescription medication? Do you think the Netherlands have high rates of work injuries do to marijuana? (*Hint* They don't.) Most cannabis users are responsible people just like people who partake in alcohol. I'm curious why you think they wouldn't be?

    -- Posted by Damu on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 8:07 PM
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    Damu - obviously you want the legalization of mari-potta so you can legally toke up on your mom's couch while indulging in another mindless episode of MTV's "*******".

    Have you ever been around young people who have thrown their life away for the pursuit of bigger and better highs? My wife and I have spent many hours volunteering at youth shelters and rehab centers trying to help youth who thought what they were doing was harmless. What they found instead was a thief that stole away innocence and youth; and replaced it with court dates and living with strangers instead of family.

    The Netherlands is a very poor example of social prosperity. That aside, this is the USA not Europe. If you want to toke up at work - move to the Netherlands. Me...I'd rather have my doctor sober than loaded, thank you very much. The people who work while drunk and on prescription medication usually have to go to some sort of counseling when they get caught at work. Why would you condone being loaded at work? Does this fit your personal profile?

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sat, Oct 30, 2010, at 4:45 PM
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    Sorry, I work a full time job along with owning my own business. I haven't been able to toke up on my parents couch in many years sadly.

    I also don't watch the mind rot that is MTV. I prefer History, Discovery ect. I enjoy learning things.

    They threw there life away for marijuana? I'll have to admit I find this pretty far fetched. Growing up the majority of the people I knew smoked marijuana. Some even continue to do so, they all however lead productive lives. Let me ask you this, how many of the young people you counseled came from homes where one or both of the parents where alcoholics?

    Sorry, I may have been a bit vague with my last point. It's also possible your just seeing it the way you want. The majority of people who imbibe any substance do so in the privacy of their own home. As responsible adults. I state again, why do you think that if it was legalized everyone and their brother would be going loaded to work?

    Also, I find it interesting that you think the Netherlands is a poor example. Since the rates of usage for illicit drugs their are considerably lower than our own. If you want yet another example look at portugal, time did a really nice story about it some time ago.,8599,1893946,00.html

    Wait though we aren't Portugal either right? I mean we should just continue with the way we have been doing it since it is so effective correct? Continue filling prisons with Americans who haven't actually done anything wrong is that it?

    -- Posted by Damu on Sat, Oct 30, 2010, at 6:23 PM
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