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Posted Sunday, August 15, 2010, at 10:27 PM

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Like many Christians, I wonder what exactly I should do in the face of the wave of Socialism that has hijacked our Federal government, and many of our State governments.

We should not be surprised that schools are struggling and under producing. Public schools made it clear that God was not welcome. You reap what you sow.

Neither should we be surprised that a Federal government, growing more and more hostile to the things of God, in real time, right before our very eyes, struggles under the weight of its own arrogance.

Perhaps Barack Obama was correct when he proclaimed to the world that the United States was not a Christian nation. I don't see how a Christian nation would allow the deaths of millions of our babies, or the various perversions of science for tax money.

Nor would a Christian nation abandon its own God inspired Constitution in favor of a Socialist agenda, or allow its institutions of higher learning to spread the gospel of collectivism, without due challenges.

We are but mere men, and at times we appear very wise, in our own eyes. Without the Wisdom of the Creator, our nation tarries at the brink of economic peril.

What do we do as Christians?

I am a lay person, just a blue collar guy. Allow me a few minutes to have some others speak to address this question.

David Rambo, President of the Christian and Missionary Alliance says, "God expects us to be salt in the world but let's do it in the context of God's redeeming love for all men and women."

Author John Seale writes, "A politicized faith not only blurs our priorities but weakens our loyalties. Our primary citizenship is not on Earth but in Heaven. Though few evangelicals would deny this truth in theory, the language of our spiritual citizenship frequently gets wrapped in the red, white and blue. Rather than acting as resident aliens of a Heavenly Kingdom, too often we sound and act like resident apologists for a Christian America. Unless we reject the false reliance on the illusion of Christian America, evangelicalism will continue to distort the Gospel and thwart a genuine biblical identity."

I reckon I was one of those, working to restore a "Christian nation" rather than proclaiming God's love.

Does this mean we do nothing? Are we to merely wring our hands and shake our heads, and keep our mouths shut?

God forbid.

Rather, we need to be ready to do a kind thing, to stand in prayer for a person in need...and we need to be generous.

Paul the Apostle had a basic message. Christians would do well by showing the world what a saved person looked like. Upon some honest reflection, I was doing a lousy job of that. I had become angry, like somehow God needed my righteous anger to save America. We are never too old to learn, and I apologize.

I hope I do a better job from now on. I will try.

I can see that we need small islands of truth in a confusing world, not raging volcanoes.

Our individual futures are not in the hands of any President, or any ruling class unless we choose to let others control our destiny. God has your good destiny in His Heart. He offers Peace when most are troubled. He offers Truth when so many lie.

John MacArthur sums this up nicely, "...the Church does not need now to become more like the world, it needs to become utterly and distinctively the Church so that there is such an obvious difference that the world can see it clearly. For us here we have a mandate, we can't fix everything but we can be what God wants us to be here. And God will, in His Grace, use us to bring many to righteousness."

Have a blessed week.


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You know full well what it is.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Sun, Sep 12, 2010, at 8:55 AM

Wow! I see you directed me to an atheistic children's site. Impressive!!! Fails to prove your point.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Fri, Sep 10, 2010, at 3:05 PM

@CPB I found a nice breakdown illustrating the point of the video since you weren't able to grasp it.

http://www.teenageatheist.com/2010/09/un...

Also, if you can prove I can ride dinosaurs in heaven I will convert now.

-- Posted by Damu on Wed, Sep 8, 2010, at 4:17 PM

Immediately, or ASAP. Otherwise, the species fails. Remember, the species must fit the ecosystem, not the ecosystem fitting the species. Any sudden change in the ecosystem, evolutionary design flaws, the species fails. Even time (millions or billions of years) cannot fix that. Therefore, the design must be nearly perfect, thus pointing towards a Creator.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Tue, Sep 7, 2010, at 9:19 PM

This the absolute flaw in the evolutionary model. Here you are trying to compare a giraffe to a fish, or in that case, every other animal. In order for evolution to work, evolution must eliminate all design flaws, the extended nerve in this case. Evolution is the search of the most efficient design, in this case a shorter and more direct nerve. It's either that, or the giraffe was design this way.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Tue, Sep 7, 2010, at 1:22 PM

@CPB Evolution doesn't work that way. The nerve is still in use its the path that it takes that doesn't make any sense unless you look at it from an evolutionary sense. If the giraffe was *designed* you would think they would make the direct connection instead of the round about way it does IN ALL ANIMALS starting with fish. They use a giraffe here because of it's size, its very easy to see.

-- Posted by Damu on Tue, Sep 7, 2010, at 11:54 AM

Therefore, with evolution in mind, this faulty evolutionary design should put the giraffe at a disadvantage for survival. Shouldn't it?

So why does the giraffe continue to survive with such a flawed mechanism? Or is it flawed? Or perhaps those so-called "scientists" butchering the giraffe (we don't it died) do not understand design and function. That nerve does not exist they way is does without a function.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 5:38 PM

@CPB Whoa you found the original discussion good job!

Anyway the same long nerve is found in fish who have shorter necks than humans or giraffes. They used a giraffe in the video to show how ridiculous it is to be included in the "design" of the animal. Did you watch the whole video?

-- Posted by Damu on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 12:57 PM

doofus Damu,

Leftover from what?

The discussion was never whether or not the giraffe made noise, it was whether or not the giraffe has vocal chords. I can see by your doofus like response, you lost.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Wed, Sep 1, 2010, at 3:19 PM

@CPB The giraffe still makes noise, as the article you link attests. It still looks like an evolutionary leftover to me.

-- Posted by Damu on Wed, Sep 1, 2010, at 9:46 AM

Damu, according to the article I have found, the giraffe does have a larynx, but it lacks vocal folds and laryngeal ventricles, AKA, vocal chords. Therefore, the giraffe does NOT have vocal chords.

http://students.mim.iml.uts.edu.au/proje...

I originally posted this on doofus's blog. Sorry for any confusion.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 10:53 PM

Hmm those links don't show them dissecting one and showing it though. I suppose the animal anatomist could be wrong, but just like the other link that didn't have etymologists you questioned. I'm going with the video of the scientist cutting the giraffe open and pointing directly at it.

-- Posted by Damu on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 8:08 PM

http://www.brianlane.com/articles/snappl...

http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question2...

Just as many say they do, as those who say they don't.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 8:00 PM

It cut off the rest of my post for some reason:

http://ask.yahoo.com/20030113.html

-- Posted by Damu on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 6:37 PM

That was a really nice video chunky. Made me feel good about God creations. Although, at the end of the video the "scientist" states that giraffes have no vocal cords. Curiously enough a number of searches I did proved this patently false.

Why would the people in the video lie about such a thing? Would that be some kind of ploy to dis-prove what was in the video I posted? This saddens me :(

-- Posted by Damu on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 6:35 PM

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 5:36 PM

Perhaps God was drunk the day he was designing that particular part?

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 23, 2010, at 9:17 PM

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdm5he_...

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 23, 2010, at 10:20 AM

Christian Science is most definitely an Oxymoron.

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 23, 2010, at 10:00 AM

If Christianity could guarantee me a velociraptor to ride I would be much more interested in it!

-- Posted by Damu on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 10:39 PM

Damu,

To finally answer your question. The Lord, Jesus Christ, has NOT commanded me to kill sinners. But if and He does, I WILL be thorough and complete.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 12:48 PM

Ok Iggy, here it is. Turn off the computer, put one a clean change of clothes, including underwear. Eat your health conscience, environmentally friendly meal. Go outside, take a walk, go the the park, or even take a drive out in the country with your petroleum squeezing car, no music or liberal talk shows. For once, open your eyes, in fact, open all your senses. Then ask yourself, "How could this be an accident?".

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 12:45 PM

Like what?

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 9:58 PM

@CPB I suppose if you vehemently believe in something that can so easily be proved false its difficult to take facts into account when they go against your "faith".

-- Posted by Damu on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 7:20 PM

I did not realize searching for answers could be this difficult for some. Navigational tools all work for me. But I guess, if you spend your life looking into a mirror, all you see is you.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 5:04 PM

@CPB oops I finally found where the actual info was buried.

I started reading the article about how Radiometric dating is wrong. Then I started thinking to myself. "Interesting, if this was proven why hasn't there been more discussion about it. Since science is all about change in the face of error."

Ohh, then I started doing some research into it. Instead of accepting it with blind faith. (Try it, it feels kind of liberating). I was able to locate this:

http://gondwanaresearch.com/rate.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_ge...

Curiously I can find no sources other than creation sites that support these conclusions. Many go on to LOL at the scientists for being such poor ones. Not having peer reviewed studies of there results ect. Please elaborate.

-- Posted by Damu on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 4:11 PM

@CPB I checked your site out. I don't really feel like paying anything to get the information you want me to.

Don't you find it somewhat odd that GI and I can link to accredited places where you can find information for free? Yet, the christian "science" site that you send us to wants to sell us a bunch of BS dvds?

-- Posted by Damu on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 4:01 PM

It is so simple, Guillermo. God created the Earth and all its living creatures. The Christian scientist who have been studying how's and the why's of Gods design are slowly unlocking the mysteries behind Gods design. Do some actual research of your own by going to the Answers in Genesis @ http://www.answersingenesis.org/

I know you won't and will mock my beliefs as you always do. I also know you absolutely will not concede there are truths to Christian scientists research, since this will completely upset your atheistic belief system, proving it is a falsehood.

There are way too many designs in our living world that simply cannot be explained as an accident that worked. Those complex designs cannot exist without all the working mechanisms in place. Anything short of an absolutely perfected design will fail and die. Even the lens of time cannot make this true.

So yes, I do believe in Gods creation. With that in mind, I will go about my life and not worry about it.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 12:23 PM

If oxygen levels were higher, the respiratory system would not have to be so large. Here, smaller is more efficient. Also, with more pounds per square inch, again, smaller becomes stronger. More exoskeleton per unit of body mass means for a stronger exoskeleton.

What are the mechanisms that caused DNA to become a carrier of genetic information?

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 12:39 AM

@CPB A few points, I've gone through the entire thread and although GI and I have been kind enough to provide links. You have yet to provide any shred of credible evidence to your position.

"The large insects of the past are due to variations in atmospheric pressures. Today, insect size is determined by the current atmospheric pressures. The grow too large, the weight of the atmosphere crushes them. The surface area of their exoskeleton allows the atmosphere crack it. "CPB

Where are the studies of this? I know you know how to use google. I'm guessing they don't exist since as an insect gets larger the size of its exoskeleton will also increase. Also increasing the length of the breathing tubes it uses. Hence the need for higher quantities of oxygen for it to be able to use the same breathing system.

"As for Numbers 15:32-36, God wants us to worship Him and rest on the Sabbath. Much research has been done to prove our minds and bodies need a full days rest to toil all week." -CPB

Not to mention killing people who don't. He told Moses specifically to kill a man who was picking sticks up on it. This seems fairly mundane if your stoned to death for this what exactly should we be doing to strippers? Why aren't we stoning to death people who work everyday?

You desire evidence proving our thoughts to be plausible and more than likely correct. Yet, you want us to believe you because of a book that was written 2000 years ago? With that being your only "authority"?

@Sam The founding fathers wanted to keep religion out of government. Note the constitution doesn't have god in it whatsoever?

http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.h...

-- Posted by Damu on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 10:11 PM

@CPB Did you read any of the articles posted earlier?

Where is your proof that epic beard man created everything? The bible? Talk about lacking in peer review.

-- Posted by Damu on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 5:54 PM

So at this point, we have proteins forming by lightning. So now the question is, was it through the static discharge of electrons\protons, or by extreme pinpoint of heat did the created proteins?

These proteins went of to combine with other proteins to form amino acids out of pure dumb luck. But how?

Next we have the lucky to exist amino acids combining to form DNA\RNA. We know now that man can create a DNA like molecule in zero gravity conditions, but we also know these conditions did not exist when DNA\RNA first appeared here on Earth. Again, how?

Can DNA possibly exist without the presence of RNA? If they are to exist together to facilitate cellular replication, would they not need a cell wall, how about protoplasm? So which came first, cell wall, protoplasm, or DNA\RNA?

Or would all this need to come into existence at exactly the same time to survive?

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 5:30 PM

@CPB lol, your right chunky at this point science only has a large collection of evidence to prove this happened. Keep in mind though this was also the case with the Earth being round, the earth being the center of the universe, the need to "bleed" diseases from people, ect.

Here's my question to you chunky. When science does prove this, where does that leave you and your theories on what happened? Science tells us we are continuing to evolve. What will happen in a few hundred years when you can look at the human race and see evidence of evolution? Personally, I think we can already see it to some extent. The amount of information we take in on a daily basis has accelerated in the course of a hundred years. Did we already have the capacity for large scale increases of this nature and weren't using it until now, or has the brain evolved to be able to deal with it in this short time period?

-- Posted by Damu on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 11:49 PM

To have total context of the Bible, we Christians believe the entire Bible is the truth. Why are we not massacring those who work of Sunday and homosexuals? Because we as Christians, follow the way of Christ Jesus. He instructed us not to judge, but to be there for those who need saved, and they do. Now the Jewish on the other hand, are instructed to follow the Laws of Moses. Ask them.

So why would DNA\RNA form? Would you not agree that there would have to be a fore thought in design? It had to be more than mere chance that the most complex design in cellular biology came about. Has science been able to replicate DNA\RNA's design and function in a lab? Let alone it's evolution from lightning's searing effects in bonding carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and the various other atoms that make up a protein, to its mystical bonding with other proteins to accidentally form DNA\RNA. Wow, now that takes a leap of faith.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 10:46 PM

@CPB First, The atmosphere right now isn't the same as it was during that period of time. I think I mentioned that already actually. What the scientists are doing is creating those conditions in the laboratory. Was it exactly like that all over the world all the time? No. It doesn't have to be the earth is a very big place and we are talking about an extremely long period of time.

Life originating from outer space, although slightly less probable is still possible. There are creatures on earth that can survive the vacuum of space for quite some time with no protective equipment like humans need, and space is a big place that has been around for a very long time.

Yes, here are a few more articles that also come to the same oxygen conclusion. Also, its not enough that the fruit flies enjoyed explosive growth from the higher concentrations of oxygen? I mean straight up scientific proof isn't enough for you? Yet you have no trouble believing a man with a beard and some magic made everything?

http://www.loe.org/shows/segments.htm?pr...

http://sciencejunkies.com/2008/03/31/rea...

Whoa here is a nice site that explains dna for you. Took me all of 5 seconds to find.

http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-...

"In Numbers, God told the children of Israel what to do and when to do it, this fellow thumbed his nose at God," Ohh you mean by working on Sunday? So, once again why aren't you massacring the people that work on the sabbath? Along with the homosexuals?

You can't, because you have no argument against doing it besides "Christians don't agree with that part of the bible." How does that work exactly? You get to pick and choose, depending on the decade what portions are right and what portions are wrong?

That is the best part of science. Our understanding of the world is constantly evolving. In fact if it weren't for Christianity we would be roughly a thousand years farther than we are now.

-- Posted by Damu on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 8:52 PM

So, in your estimation, we can observe protein strands form from lightning strikes in a real life, not a synthesized laboratory, environment? Today, for example. Has this ever been observed? Would real life conditions, such as the acidity/alkalinity, reducing/oxidative, dry/wet, heat/cold, and background materials, even be conducive to protein strand formation?

And what about the complexities of the DNA/RNA molecules? How can random protein molecules floating about ever combine to form DNA/RNA? Why would they?

But what about the theory of life originating from outer space. Are we to totally discount the lightning theory? What exactly are the odds life from other planets could so quickly adapt to Earths conditions at the time of "seeding"?

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 7:59 PM

So can these examples work in real world situations, or are they limited to the sterile environment of the laboratory?

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 6:15 PM

Guillermo,

I never conceded God condones murder. He did state there were detestable sins where you should be killed for. In Numbers, God told the children of Israel what to do and when to do it, this fellow thumbed his nose at God, so He ordered him killed, sucked to be him, he should have listened. I'm pretty sure the other listen after this example. Probably the only time God ordered the death of the stupid.

Damu,

I could not help but notice there were no Entomologists included in story. Why?

Guillermo,

How exactly does lightning electricity create proteins? Please cite some evidence.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 5:32 PM

@CPB "The large insects of the past are due to variations in atmospheric pressures. Today, insect size is determined by the current atmospheric pressures. The grow too large, the weight of the atmosphere crushes them. The surface area of their exoskeleton allows the atmosphere crack it. "

WTF are you talking about?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...

Sorry about the pet, losing animals sucks.

-- Posted by Damu on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 1:45 AM

With Leviticus 20:13, yes you will be killed. God has stated homosexuality is a sin, DON'T DO IT, and you won't be killed.

Romans 1:26-32, clear violation of the commandment DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, as does Leviticus 20:13.

Violating any of the 10 Commandments open us to scrutiny of other, we lose their trust and respect. Adultery, as according to the Bible is sex outside the bonds of Biblical marriage. God knew adultery, even before marriage, will destroy the trust within a marriage. Adultery brings in outside sexual lust, and disease into a marriage.

As for Numbers 15:32-36, God wants us to worship Him and rest on the Sabbath. Much research has been done to prove our minds and bodies need a full days rest to toil all week.

The large insects of the past are due to variations in atmospheric pressures. Today, insect size is determined by the current atmospheric pressures. The grow too large, the weight of the atmosphere crushes them. The surface area of their exoskeleton allows the atmosphere crack it.

I am sorry it took so long to respond, we just buried a family pet. I have a child I had to console. I really don't feel like responding to you anymore tonight.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 10:38 PM

3.8 to 3.9 Billion sorry about that.

-- Posted by Damu on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 8:58 PM

Also, the atmosphere of present day earth is very different then it was then. Look to fossilized remains of giant insects. We can tell based on the way insects breathing works that the Earth was considerably more rich in Oxygen during the period of time these creatures lived.

-- Posted by Damu on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 8:58 PM

@CPB Actually, many scientists theorize that the chemicals that life on earth were made from were brought here by meteorites. Along with comets while the planet was still forming or had just formed. It's hard to say since the Earth is 3.8 to 3.9 million years old.

-- Posted by Damu on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 8:55 PM

I'm feeling nice enough to help you out chunky this way you don't even have to look them up since you somehow missed them in your studies.

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" -Leviticus 20:13

"For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind and to things that should not be done. They were filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, they are gossips, slanderers, God-haters,insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, rebellious towards parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. They know God's decree, that those who practice such things deserve to die--yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practice them." -romans 1:26-32

That seems pretty clear to me above.

"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.You shall kindle no fire in all your dwelling places on the Sabbath day."

-Exodus 35:2-3

"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses."

-Numbers 15:32-36

Perhaps these are somehow being taken out of context? Please, enlighten me.

-- Posted by Damu on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 8:53 PM

Damu,

Where is it written it is my duty to slaughter homosexuals. Isn't it written in the 10 Commandments that we are not to murder? For most people with any resemblance of wisdom, this should be very clear, do not murder. Since you still seem very uninformed about the Bible, the book of Leviticus was written for the Levites, or the tribe of Levi. They were those chosen to be the priests, so the book of Leviticus was meant to be strictly adhered to. This and the book of Deuteronomy was to be followed by the Israelites, Gods chosen people. And if you did any research within the Bible, Jesus himself stated the laws of Moses are correct. They are laws, not commandments, they point to the things God considers a sin. As God has said, if we sin, we will die. God seems to have ways to enforce this.

With the millions, if not billions of lightning strikes around the world, wouldn't we by now have observed this miraculous forming of amino acids (proteins) by now?

And now we have moved on to life from outer space. Wow, life here on Earth started from the beyond, a planet with identical atmospheric, land, and oceanic condition. That's what it would take, correct?

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 8:51 PM

@CPB Well GI was nice enough to respond to your question in my absence. Along with provide some current day proof. I would really enjoy and explanation of why your not slaughtering homosexuals, and what initially created your god. Thanks! :)

@CPB Also its the scale of time you don't seem to understand. Take a deck and shuffle it up. Then lay the cards out in from the top to bottom of the deck. Will all the suits match and the cards be in order the first time? No, now do that over and over for millions of years and eventually they will.

-- Posted by Damu on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 8:16 PM

@ Molly, one of my other favorite images besides the raptor Jesus series. The fun part about this one though is its actually from a creationist coloring book. You know indoctrinate them young before there able to think for themselves.

http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/upl...

-- Posted by Damu on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 7:50 PM

So lightning knew exactly when, and where to strike to somehow form amino acids (actually simple protein strands that form amino acids), and yet these amino acids could survive the oxidizing effects of lightning? Why don't we see this happening today?

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 6:37 PM

@CPB Sorry forgot the other one. Leviticus 20:13 and again not quite as specifically in romans 1:26-32.

-- Posted by Damu on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 3:58 PM

@CPB I'll re-post for you. Exodus 35:2-3 then again in Numbers 15:32-36

As far as we can scientifically tell life originated from the creation of amino acids from the interactions of lightning and various chemicals present on earth billions of years ago. I believe they have scientifically created amino acids this way in a lab environment. Then it only takes time before life starts to evolve from the multiple chains of proteins.

By the way, what is the Origin of God?

-- Posted by Damu on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 3:55 PM

First off Damu, where in the Bible does it say to slaughter those who work on Sundays? I'll give you a hint, nowhere. Where does it say to kill homosexuals? Again nowhere. You state these things only because you want them to be there, it furthers you agenda.

In 1 Timothy 2:11-12, Paul states "Women should learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. let the listen quietly". Here Paul, and you do realize 1 & 2 Timothy was written by Paul, who was given full authority by Jesus, stated "I". He did not say "you" to Timothy, or "everybody", he said "I". And in the context of the time period, Timothy, possibly still in his teen years, was sent to head the church of Ephesus. That church, had been deceived by many false teachers, therefore, Paul did not want anyone who could possibly influence the young Timothy and get him off message. You would know this if you made any attemp to actually study the Bible and it's history, but that wouldn't push your agenda.

By the way, what is the origin of life?

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 2:51 PM

@CPB You must be looking at yourself. I'm only using examples from your book :).

-- Posted by Damu on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 8:27 AM

Damu:

Jesus honored women far beyond what the cultural norm was at the time, and did not silence them, even when they accused, as in Martha's accusation, "Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died." Her sister, Mary, was honored by Jesus for sitting at His feet, learning all she could from the Son of God. I am not seeking to have authority over any one, man or woman, but am engaged in an (apparently futile) discussion.

Just so you know, I do my best to honor the Sabbath - and I shun violence, turning the other cheek, leaving judgment and recompense to the Lord.

As to your point on evolution, as I watch humanity's depravities increase, I am becoming more and more attracted to the theory of devolution: the farther we get from original creation, the worse off we are, intellectually, morally and spiritually.

And this brings us to the all too inevitable impasse.

Molly:

I know there are those in the "Christian" camp who do the very things you mention. And I agree that it is a waste of time and energy and diminishing resources to debate Christian beliefs and doctrine in the public square, trying to manipulate legislation to enforce those principles on people who do not believe nor follow Jesus Christ, standing on street corners with signs that denigrate the "opposition" when Jesus advocated for quiet prayer hidden away in a closet so that Father God could reward and Paul admonished believers "inasmuch as it depends on you, to live at peace with all men."

Do not let anyone steal from you what the Lord has given you and let your prayer always be, "Lord, I believe, help me in my unbelief." Believe this... No matter how many years the Lord gives you, no matter how much you learn or grow in grace and knowledge, we all remain far from what we could be and have miles to go before we're done.

Dawn

-- Posted by newdawn on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 5:10 AM

Wow Damu, I think with you last post, I now have a picture of what pure evil inspired hatred looks like. Thank you, I now know whom I am dealing with.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 10:05 PM

@NewDawn You won't find the examples you want in the animal kingdom. Although GI is right that higher primates come closer than any other species (*NOTE* We did evolve from them, I'm not sure what your stance on that whole thing is if you do happen to be creationist though I laugh directly at you.) Heightened intellect and self awareness have granted us the ability to perform many functions and do many things.

Do you think god evolves with us? I'm curious how we could be created in his image and in such a short period of time develop into so many different cultures, colors, and creeds. This seems much more like the standard progression of a species to me. Albeit a much more advanced one then any other found on this planet.

I look at the bible much like you probably look at something like aesops fables. All they are is stories. If you look to the bible for answers and pick and choose what your going to believe out of it how exactly are you following that specific religion? You not your simply picking what you like or think is correct and going with that.

So therefore, I think you should start killing those horrible sinners that work on sunday, along with the terrible homosexuals. As a matter of fact I'm kind of curious why your posting on this board in the first place. Since Timothy 2:11-12 Clearly states that "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent"

-- Posted by Damu on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 8:54 PM

Ahh, Guillermo,

Once again, we are at an impasse as we are both still looking at things from diametrically opposed points of view. I'm sorry for that. The more reason I see in this world, the more convinced I become of the validity of faith which you so quickly dismiss. It's not likely we'll ever come to any agreement. As always, thank you for the pleasant discourse,

Dawn

-- Posted by newdawn on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 4:01 PM

Guillermo,

How is it that justice and righteousness are solely human characteristics? And if so, where did they come from and why do we not witness similar characteristics in the animal kingdom? I maintain that our desire for justice and our discernment of righteousness and unrighteousness are imbedded from our creation. In other words, in creating us in His image, God gifted us (though it doesn't always feel like a gift) with these characteristics.

Damu,

Scientology is lacking in the aforementioned attributes.

Molly,

I refer you to my twice repeated invitation to Damu to read what Jesus commanded in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew, chapters 5 through 7, which is hardly abandoning Christ and returning to what you refer to as the Old Testament God of "death and destruction" although I must remind you that Jesus speaks many times of the "One who sent me," meaning God the Father and that He, Jesus, had come to do His Father's will. Therefore the Old Testament and the New Testament are of a piece, excepting where you hear from Jesus, "you have heard it said of old...but I tell you..." (See Sermon on the Mount.)

-- Posted by newdawn on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 3:33 PM

@newdawn Everything you said is only valid if you believe. Otherwise it makes as much sense as Scientology.

-- Posted by Damu on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 1:44 PM

Ahh, but in so saying, Guillermo, you are confining God to the known parameters of our human experience, a dangerous assumption.

One thing I am sure of -- God is just -- and He simply will not fit into any man-designed box of our choosing. You will likely reply that this is where faith leaps in, and you would be right, but only so far as the known parameter referenced above can be applied. If we could clearly see history, we would also be able to expand our human experience, and as each day unfolded, as our experience expanded so too would faith.

That being said, only the most arrogant of men lacks enough faith, or knowledge for that matter, to know that he is not God.

Therefore, we will not judge nor kill the unbeliever, only He has that authority and only He can see the hearts of men.

Another thing I know. You can trust God to do the right thing, every time, even as it applies to those who oppose or those, who through ignorance, never seemed to have had a chance.

-- Posted by newdawn on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 12:24 PM

Point taken, Damu. The argument still holds, whether allegory or parable.

My point also remains valid, as expressed in my closing paragraph about the judgment of God -- His judgment, not mine -- on those who oppose Him.

Again, I encourage you to read Jesus' words in Matthew chapters 5 through 7 for instruction on how we OUGHT to live in light of that judgment.

-- Posted by newdawn on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 10:59 AM

@Newdawn Thank you for the story and definition. I however understand what parables are and that they are usually also allegory's. Now granted this is not a commandment. This is Jesus teaching his disciples through a story.

Okay, so Jesus is using this parable of a nobleman who is expanding his kingdom. Now, at this point in time wasn't Jesus expanding his kingdom? If that isn't the case can you tell me what the purpose of this parable is? Are any other individuals by name promoted to be expanding there kingdom within the context of Luke 19:27? Taking this evidence into context one can see fairly easily that Jesus is talking about himself here.

-- Posted by Damu on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 9:31 AM

Damu: Sorry to be so long in replying. The passage you cite is the closing statement of a parable of the Lord Jesus Christ. A parable is not a commandment to be obeyed, a parable is a brief, succinct story, in prose or verse, that illustrates a moral or religious lesson.

The parable, in its entirety, follows: (Luke 19:11-36)

While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. 'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back.' "But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.' "He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it. "The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.' " 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.' "The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.' "His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.' "Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.' "His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?' "Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.' " 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!' "He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them-bring them here and kill them in front of me.' "

Context matters, Damu, because God, through his Son, did not command anyone to kill everyone who opposed Him. For a better understanding of what God did command through His Son, a careful reading of the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew, chapters 5, 6 and 7) is advisable.

Those who oppose Him will be dealt with at Judgment, and very likely in fashion similar to that revealed in this parable, in that the judging will come about by the man's own words...

Enjoy the read.

-- Posted by newdawn on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 5:10 AM

Also, your not supposed to kill. Unless its to further the christian religion. Another example is when your trying to take over a land from another people that have different religious views than you do. Then because they are "savages" you can slaughter away.

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 10:59 PM

@CPB your not debunking anything. Your simply saying that the examples I provided aren't relevant because they've long been forgotten. The things I stated above happened. Long before your jesus. The similarities are striking though aren't they almost as if one religion took ideas from the other.

Also don't work on sunday.

Exodus 35:2-3 oops then again in Numbers 15:32-36

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 10:52 PM

@Sam Why does satan exist in the first place? Is it so god can toy with us? Since satan is a fallen angel and god created said angels could he not instantaneously blink him from existence? Is the plight of the human soul you describe some kind of game?

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 10:45 PM

TrailMix did not advocate faith as an insurance policy. That conclusion was typical leftist knee jerk programed response. You did it well however, I give you a 7 on the robot meter.

What TM asked was a legitimate question. If you are wrong there Prince Billy, you not only will have screwed yourself, but countless others as well, or is that your intention?

The old, "I gonna take as many folks to hell with me as I can" ploy. You are attempting as well to enjoy your alledged atheism, aren't you?

You liberals must learn that there are consequences to your anti-God actions. There are consequences when you shake your fist in the face of a Holy God.

When God set man upon the Earth, He told them to wait to gain the knowledge of good and evil.

Satan talked to Eve, (Sam paraphrase, but accurate) "don't you want to know about good and evil?" Eve responds. "God told us that particular knowledge will kill us."

Then Satan responds, "Naw, it won't kill ya." The 'call God a liar' maneuver. Then Satan goes further, questioning God's motives. "God doesn't want you to be like Him."

Today, when we Christians say, "Hey, God said not to shed innocent blood, "...do no murder." What do the Billy Ingalaterra's of the world say? "Abortion is not murder." And then they question our motives. "Those crazies only want to control your body."

Same as it ever was.

You see Billy, whether or not you believe in God is irrelevant, God is. But God certainly will grant you the freedom, spoken of above, to allow you to make as big a fool out of yourself as possible.

You go ahead Billy, and convince folks if you can to follow you and government god.

God created by the whims of the selfish.

I will tell folks about the Creator of all things, and how He intimately knows each one of us, before the foundations of the world were formed.

Promote the Utopian promises of liars and thieves, and I will respond with the sacrifice of Christ.

You studied the life of Paul, you know what type of man he was. You're not foolin' me, dear Guillermo, you're just foolin' Billy.

The question stands. What if you're wrong, and because of your rebellion you find you are now permanently separated from God? What if your pride and anger causes many others fall?

-- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 10:39 PM

Damu,

Your arguments are getting old because you bring up the same topics, and one by one they are debunked. Your sad example of Mithra, a long forgotten cult of Hindu and Persian origin (not Hindu/Indian as you stated).

The crusades failed for the false meaning of Christianity, because it clearly was not Jesus (Christ, hence Christianity) inspired.

Where in the Holy Bible does it say to slaughter those who work on Sundays? Are we not to commit murder? Are we not to judge? Are we not to allow people to provide for themselves? For a more clear example, provided by Jesus Himself, read Matthew chapter 12.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 10:29 PM

@TM First a famous historian also came up with your same example(http://www.jhuger.com/pascal). I would say your incorrect in your wager though. Your in essence using this life to audition for the afterlife in your scenario. In my opinion this leads this life to be thought of as a veil of tears. Degrading the importance of it if it is your only life.

Do I think you should be mean to everyone. No, nor am I in my day to day life. I simply don't need a god to know the difference from right and wrong. Nor do I need a figure to ask forgiveness for when I've done wrong. I understand the consequences of my actions and as such answer for them.

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 9:51 PM

"I merely hold you accountable for your untruthfulness and dishonesty."

Interesting CPB I'm curious where I was untruthful or dishonest. Everything I posted above is historical fact. Verifiable historical fact. I'm sorry if you didn't take the time to look into a religion before jumping in head first.

@CPB Also, so do you think that because during the crusades they were slaughtering innocent Muslim peoples is one of the reasons they failed so many times? Perhaps it was because the Muslim god was stronger?

If the old testament isn't void why aren't you slaughtering all those at walmart and all the other business's that are working on Sundays?

@TM An interesting conjecture for sure. Here is my question to you. What if the Muslims are right? There is about as much verifiable truth there as you have. Especially if you count your "faith".

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 9:40 PM

@Damu - I believe in the God of the Bible by choice - personal, informed choice. Can I refute your every argument? No, nor do I need to. God is my God and Jesus is my Savior - "religion" is irrelevant.

If you are correct and Christianity is untrue - no heaven, no hell, no afterlife - I am out nothing. But Damu....what if I'm right?

-- Posted by TrailMix on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 8:23 PM

Damu, I was raised with no religion at all. No addictions, and no this is not an obsession. I merely hold you accountable for your untruthfulness and dishonesty.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 6:39 PM

@CPB I'm curious what religion were you raised under? Where you addicted to drugs before you found jesus? I always find that as a very interesting route, you know giving up one obsession for another.

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM

God is doing His part in helping starving Africa. He has commanded Godly people around the world to send financial, material, and nutritional resources to Africa. Except, the godless dictators, tyrants, and thieves have stolon it.

Those who have broken God's laws have died. They died the double death. The death on Earth, and an eternal death. Their earthly life if all but forgotten after they have taken their last breath. It is the death of their sins, not their life of love, that live on in their children. True people of God, have a life that lives on in their children. That is their eternal life.

Damu, we have had this discussion before, as with Inglaterra, sinners die according to God's definition of death, the dual death. If you don't want to die that death, don't sin. The Old Testament fully applies, Jesus never said it void. Jesus came to save all who have ever sinned. Just as Jesus saved the prostitute from a stoning, He saved us when He sacrificed Himself, His final words could have been, "Go and sin no more". It is with that, we authentic Christians live our lives, to treat our fellow human, no matter how disgusting they may be, for we were once like that ourselves, better than we treat ourselves.

By the way I raised as a non-Christian. Came to the Faith in 2002, completely gave my life to Him in 2006.

-- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 5:58 PM

OH PEOPLE.. WHY DO YOU BLOG A READ GOOD OL BOY SAMMY'S ARTICLES.. THIS GUY HAS NO CLUE AND IS A JOKE. THE MEN HE TALKS ABOUT (ALTHOUGH THEY MAY HAVE THIER OWN HIDDEN AGENDA'S) ARE ROAD SCHOLARS. THEY DON'T GET IN THE POSITIONS THEY ARE (CONGRESS, HOUSE , SENATE , PRESIDENTS AND MILITARY LEADERS) WITHOUT BEING AMAZINGLY INTELLIGENT. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHY OUR GOVERNMENT DOES WHAT IT DOES. THEY ONLY LET US KNOW WHAT THEY WANT US TO KNOW. THE MEDIA BLOWS THINGS WAY OUT OF PROPORTION AND TWISTS THE FACTS TO FIT ONE SIDE (DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU ARE WATCHING CNN OR FOX) WE ALL KNOW SAMMY WATCHES FOX... AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT AT ALL AS LONG AS YOU KNOW IT IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY.. ALL THE MEDIA DOES IS TWIST THE TRUTH TO MAKE A STORY TO GET RATINGS TO GET PEOPLE TO WATCH AND TO GET PEOPLE TO PICK SIDES AND WATCH IT. IF THERE WAS NO STORY OR IF THEY REPORTED EVERYTHING WAS GOING WELL THEN NO ONE WOULD WATCH TEH SHOW THERE WOULD BE NO RATINGS AND THEN EVENTUALLY THERE WOULD BE NO SHOW. HERE IS SOMETHING I ASK ALL OF YOU.. WHY NOT LOOK AT THE ISSUES THIS COUNTRY AND GOVERNMENT HAS (IN DEPTH) AND MAKE UP YOUR OWN MINDS WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG.. THE WORST CITIZENS IN AMERICA JUST SWAY AND VOTE TO THEIR PARTYS SIDE WITHOUT EVER MAKING A DECISION FOR THEMSELVES. BY DOING THAT THE POWER IS TAKEN OUT OF YOUR HANDS(THE PEOPLE). I AM NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T STAND BY YOUR PARTY ON ISSUES THAT YOU STRONGLY BELIEVE IN , BUT IF YOU STAND BY YOUR PARTY ON EVERY SINGLE ISSUE THEN YOU HAVE LOST SOME OR HAVE NEVER HAD ANY OF THE CORE VALUES AND FUNDAMENTALS THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT WITH. WE NEED BI-PARTISIAN LEADERSHIP. WHO KNOWS IF WE HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW IF WE HAVE EVER HAD THAT OR IF WE EVER WILL. WE AS CITIZENS MAY NEVER KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS. OUR GOVERNMENT MAY NEVER LET US KNOW THOSE ANSWERS. IF YOU ARE THAT CITIZEN THEN YOU ARE A CITIZEN WHE IS JUST SOMEONE WHO CLINGS TO YOUR PARTY TO BELONG TO SOMETHING AND COULD NEVER HAVE YOUR MIND CHANGED OR WOULD NEVER OPEN YOUR HEART OR MIND TO NEW POSSIBLE IDEAS. I HAVE MANY ISSUES THAT I FAVOR FROM BOTH PARTYS AND I ALSO STAND FIRM THAT WHEN IT COMES TO SOME ISSUES THAT BOTH PARTYS DO NOT HAVE A CLUE BUT DON'T THINK FOR ONE SECOND THAT ANY OF US HAVE THE ANSWERS CAUSE WE DON'T CAUSE IF WE DID WE WOULDN'T BE SITTING HERE BLOGGING ON THE MCCOOK DAILY GAZETTE ABOUT IT. WHAT HAS THE NATION COME TO SERIOUSLY. STOP AND TAKE A LOOK AT OURSELVES.. WHAT IS IT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT IS IT WE REALLY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT DIFFERENCE DO WE WANT TO MAKE IN OTEHRS LIVES. ANY WAY I AM NOT GOING TO CONVINCE ANY ONE OF ANYTHING JUST AS YOU WANT TO ME OR ANY ONE ELSE. WE ARE WHO WE ARE. I JUST REALLY THINK WE ALL NEED TO OPEN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS TO WHERE ALL OF US CAN MAKE NOT ONLY THIS NATION BUT THIS WORLD A BETTER PLACE..

THANK YOU SAMMY

SINCERELY

CLUELESS IN SW NE!!!

-- Posted by CLUELESS SW NE on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 5:16 PM

"Since team prayer came up, I couldn't help but bring up a great one from none other than our Huskers:"

Isn't the University of Nebraska a public entity that collects funds from all residents regardless of their religious convictions? So why them are the players asked to say this prayer? Let me guess, all the players recruited are devoted Christians similar to a private university like TCU and Nortre Dame right? Probably not based on their behavior. And "our" Huskers? Please, how many come from the state of Nebraska?

-- Posted by BuffRoam on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 4:35 PM

NewDawn: Do tell.

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 4:22 PM

Damu: Context matters

-- Posted by newdawn on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 3:51 PM

If you believe that Adam and Eve were the first two humans, how do you explain away all the incest relations that had to have occured during the next generations of humans. Or did God create other sets of humans with different DNA?

-- Posted by BuffRoam on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 2:49 PM

It always disturbs me to hear people who survive a catastrophe (tornado, flood, air crash)"thank God" for their survival while others lay dead from the event. Were the dead not worthy enough to survive? Aren't those comments insensitive to the families of those lost loved ones? Who does the families who lost loved ones thank? How can they explain why their loved one was not saved and others were in the eyes of God?

Also, an issue is all the various Christian churches. Why not one church if all agree on the issues? How many people in McCook attend various churches in the community to understand each other? Why should anyone expect unanimous consent on anything religious?

-- Posted by BuffRoam on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 2:40 PM

I wonder what the Notre Dame prayer has been for all these years?

-- Posted by BuffRoam on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 2:33 PM

Damu,

Thanks.

-- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 1:57 PM

@SWN Luke 19:27

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 1:01 PM

@Trailmix Interesting so should I be following the christian god? Why is this one correct? Let me ask you another question. What religion where your parents while you were growing up? (Actually lets direct this at everyone commenting) I'll take a stab in the dark with Christian. Don't you find it interesting that the majority of people have the same religion as there parents, along with whatever the main one is in there geographical location? Strange isn't it.

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 1:00 PM

Damu,

Please I would like the specific verse that says we should kill all non-Christians.

-- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 12:55 PM

Here are a few other fun things from the bible;

Who should we kill:

Homosexuals, Adulterers,Disobedient Children, Women who aren't virgins on there wedding night, All non-Christians, those accused of wickedness by at least two people, Anyone who works on the sabbath. If you like I can give you the specific verses these are all listed in.

Those are just a few fun things the bible endorses, now I know you'll mention that the Old Testament doesn't really apply anymore. Interestingly enough my good buddy Matt was kind enough to explain that in Christ - Matt 5:17-9 with "Every Jot and Little".

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 12:49 PM

I have invested much time into it. In fact I've wasted quite a bit of time doing research into all the current major religions. Along with some fact finding in the pre-christian religions. They all represent basically the same thing as long as we stay in the mono-theistic category.

Now, starting out if God is omnipresent and omniscient then he already knew that when Adam and Eve where placed in the garden that Eve would lead Adam into sin. You can argue for humans having free will all you want, but as an omnipotent being God already knew what was going to happen. Which kind of makes the entire exercise in my mind somewhat useless. We can go one farther in this example though. How could Adam and Eve have been expected to comprehend the consequences of there actions without any prior knowledge of right and wrong? Basically God would have needed to give them the knowledge of good and evil which kind of turns the story into one big farce anyway.

Second, having done research into previous and other religions I came upon some interesting facts. I'm actually going to tell a story here so it will be somewhat lengthy.

This is the story of Mithra a Persian/Indian god of the 6th Century BC. Born of a Virgin on the 25th of December (much like Jesus, Osiris, Horus, Marduk, Sol, Saturn, and Apollo). This birth was witnessed by shepherds and gift giving-bearing magi who had followed a falling star. Now, he became known as Light or Good sheppard and the son of God. Like the God Attis Mithra was sacrificed at the spring equinox, rose up after three days, ascended to paradise. Prior to this Mithra celebrated a last supper with his 12 disciples (representing the 12 signs of the zodiac.)In memory of this his disciples would eat there god in the form of wafers and bread. This bread was marked with a cross a symbol borrowed from Tammuz a different god. Mithra's followers also believed there would be a day of judgment when sinners and the unbaptized would be dragged down into darkness.

Does any of that sound familiar? Whats the point you may ask? Simple, christianity isn't a new concept. It's simply a patchwork of many previous religions before it. Were any of those correct, no. Do we believe in any of them anymore, no. The message stays the same it's only the players that change.

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 12:41 PM

I've always looked at prayer as not asking and waiting around for miracles but for strength in doing the best you can do, in ways that are pleasing to God. It's not about getting everything we want, it's about doing everything we can. Since team prayer came up, I couldn't help but bring up a great one from none other than our Huskers:

Dear Lord, the battles we go through life,

We ask for a chance that's fair,

A chance to equal our stride,

A chance to do or dare,

If we should win, let it be by the code,

Faith and Honor held high,

If we should lose, we'll stand by the road,

And cheer as the winners go by.

Day by Day, we get better and better!

The team that can't be beat, WON'T BE BEAT!

-- Posted by McCook1 on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 12:39 PM

Well said, Sam.

Damu - Yes, God is omnipresent and omniscient. He also, rather than being the harsh dictator, blessed his creation (mankind) with free will rather than allowing us to be nothing more than puppets. Man exercises his free will and reaps the consequences of rejecting God's wisdom and counsel. Does he know what our decisions will be? Yes. Does he know the consequences of our actions? Undoubtedly. And as a wise father, he lets us experience those consequences so that we hopefully learn, grow, and adhere to that which is right. We all know that when we make a poor decision, we are rarely the only one affected - there is a ripple effect that touches family, friends, and sometimes complete strangers. (i.e. "poor starving kids in Africa" who are subject to the greed and evil of their country's rulers) Could God fix everything in an instant and make this earth Utopia? Of course. And soon enough, He will return. In the meantime, I imagine you would rebel against being subject to His laws that would restore everyone and everything to "perfection" and would lament the loss of your free will.

Sam is right. Your investment will be rewarded if you choose to make it.

-- Posted by TrailMix on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 12:00 PM

Damu, if I may. Humans appear to flourish when given the opportunity to overcome. I wonder what type of world we would have, if as spoiled children, all our desires, and even needs, would be granted unconditionally from a generous benefactor.

Would we grow, learn and succeed?

The statement that Guillermo made that the "biblical God is a sloppy manufacturer" is a massive statement of ignorance.

For the God of the Bible created the Heavens and the Earth. As Guillermo comes from a planet were its citizens have managed to only travel to their own Moon, this statement bellows denial.

For Guillermo and those like him look from their tiny perch upon all of Creation and proclaim that the Creator is flawed.

Well, Guillermo has been college educated. So he takes pride in his limited knowledge and indoctrination, and becomes wise in his own eyes, and dares judge God.

Paul said: "Professing themselves to be wise, they become fools, ... who exchanged the truth of God for a lie..." and then several verses later in Romans, Paul goes on to say, "they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up to a reprobate mind."

And Damu, as far as the difference in how God conducted His business in the Old Testament versus the New Testament, there are various reasons for this.

You and I can look at a painting, and we know that there was a painter. No painting would ever simply arrive on the scene out of time and space.

Do we need to know how the creator of the painting made each and every stroke to enjoy the painting?

Do we need to understand how some people can sing wonderfully to enjoy their songs?

Do we need to understand how a jet engine works to go buy a ticket? We can find out how a jet engine works, but it takes an investment of time, doesn't it?

So then, if you sincerely wish to understand the Heart of God, you'll have to invest some time. I will tell you that you'll be rewarded for that investment.

Quoting the Apostle Paul again, "For the invisible things of Him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even His everlasting power and Divinity; that they may be without excuse."

-- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 11:45 AM

Guillermo,

In any decently run universe do you believe God should control everything directly?

-- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 11:44 AM

Well said... I really like your quotes, and your conclusion (that we need to be a small island of truth). God's truth is amazing perfection! It is sad to see how people try so hard to reject it. Keep up the good work!

-- Posted by em.gould on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 11:44 AM

Damu,

So is your response to Sam that you shouldn't have to help the poor in Africa because God should?

-- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 11:34 AM

@Sam I shouldn't need to do anything to help. Being an omnipotent god who doesn't want to see his children needlessly suffer he/she should be more than willing to rain food onto the nation to prevent his/her children from dying needlessly of starvation.

In the sports example, I suppose there actual prayer before the game doesn't really matter since its the players own skills and attitude that ultimately change the game. Almost as if god didn't do anything there?

I always found it interesting that in the old testament when God thought it was worth interfering in our lives it was mostly to punish us for sinning. Then he decided he was wrong in the New Testament and would just kind of leave things be. Now, my question to you is, how did he make a mistake? Being omnipotent he should have known exactly what the outcome would have been with his actions in the old testament. Actually even with the creation of man. How can a being be omnipotent and still make mistakes?

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 9:05 AM

Damu - I don't know that God would answer the players' prayers of one sports team to beat another. I am sure there are players on both teams seeking the favor of God.

What I think God would do is grant to the players the talent and desire to play their best. He may also grant to players on both teams the ability to have fun, and to enjoy good sportsmanship.

He may also show those players that honor God to use their fame and money for good use.

As far as the starving child in Africa ... if you would really like to do something to help, there are many groups actively working to help feed children around the world.

You know, Damu, God is Sovereign, I suppose He could rain down manna from Heaven upon the hungry.

BUT...you and I don't need God to act with mighty signs and wonders to feed the poor. We can simply get involved. We can give up a night out, a fishing trip or a new jacket to help feed a starving child.

Cancel your HBO and send that money to the poor in Africa.

Thanks for your comment/question.

-- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 2:11 AM

Curious, why does god answer the call of a sports team trying to beat another team. While not answering the call of a child starving in Africa?

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 1:14 AM


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