Champion of Liberty

He had a kind heart for a criminal.

From announcing his first candidacy for governor of California at Los Posos Country Club north of Camarillo, CA -- Ronnie Reagan wore stage makeup for every public appearance -- and his staff denied that simple fact until the end.

Possibly the most notable detail about The Reagan Presidency, is that he spent almost ten per cent of his Presidential time at that gift ranch in the coastal hills of Santa Barbara County.

The irony, no one seemed to mind that his political supporters bought that ranch for him, plus the famously all-Electric mansion in Pacific Palisades, plus the NEW luxurious residence overlooking the American River outside Sacramento [After Nancy refused to live in the Governor's Mansion near the Capital}, plus the San Clemente Estate where he lived after leaving the White House.

At 2000 prices, that was about $30-Million of residential property given the Reagans by his political sponsors.

Check the actual record --

The Federal Debt grew under Reagan;

The size of the California State payroll increased under Reagan;

California debt grew under Reagan;

The Federal Deficit grew under Reagan;

U.S. military readiness declined under Reagan and that was just a prelude for the massive debt and deficit increases, with repeated military adventures under Poppa Bush.

The final irony, these PROUDLY CONSERVATIVE presidents left the country in severe recession, with the Farm Belt -- including Southwest Nebraska and Northwest Kansas --- all the Corn and Wheat Belts --losing hundreds of thousands of its farmers and businesses.

I remember those years for the reality that there was so little business on the High Plains, I wrote the area off with my business operations and concentrated upon the West Coast, Intermountain Basin and Rocky Mountain States.

Except for the areas east of the Cascades and Sierra Nevada, business for the last three Bush years consisted of bidding in capital equipment at lumber mills, logging camps and closed mine bankruptcy and foreclosure sales.

Someone please explain to those farmers, ranchers, businessmen and homeowners who lost everything to foreclosures and bankruptcy during those Glorious Reagan/Bush years -- What was so glorious.

oh Yes, Reagan left the White House to almost immediately go to a very well-paid speaking gig in Japan -- Paid for by Japanese industrialists who profited so hugely from his policies. President George Herbert Walker Bush also went to Japan,leaving his stomach's contents on his host's lap.

A national holiday? Honoring the publicly conservative president who built a larger and more expensive government?

If we are to use a standard of:

REDUCING the Federal Payroll:

REDUCING the volume of federal rules and regulation:

ELIMINATING the Federal Deficit;

REDUCING the Federal Debt;

ELIMINATING the global military adventures;

INCREASING the readiness of the entire military;

INCREASING military research and development;

If those seven factors have any CONSERVATIVE meaning whatsoever --

Gearjammer, guess who has been the most CONSERVATIVE president of the past 80 years.

P.S. -- I keep reading in various responses to this blog of yours, that Al Gore --

Well at first it was Gore has made millions from his environmental and global warming crusading;

Then it became hundreds of millions about a month ago;

Lately the claim is Gore has made Billions from Global Warming and his environmental efforts.

By March, you boys will probably have Gore profiteering for TRILLIONS on Global Warming.

None of the Super-Patriot, uber conservative types here want to volunteer to wear badges and help stop drug dealers and smuglers.

O.K.

I have another opportunity.

Some of you come up with documented proof that will stand up in court of your claim that Al Gore has actually profited from his Global Warming and environmenal efforts.

THE RECORD SHOWS -- He donated the proceeds from the Nobel Prize to the organizations involved.

He has dedicated the income from is Oscar Winning movie, "AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH," to the organizations engaged in that work.

Please, show me the documented proof.

The State of Alaska has the proof that Miz Sary basically embezzled and misappropriated state funds for personal and family use during her short time as governor.

Giving her the benefit of generous numbers of nights actually staying in the Governor's Mansion, the electrical wiring cost for her Tanning Bed ran to about $20 per night.

Hey guys, it doesn't cost $20 daily for the White House vegetable garden.

And I don't recall any problem with the Democratic Party getting stuck with $150,000 in luxury store clothes for the Obama women.

Seems there is a rumor, Mrs. Obama still buys a lot of her dresses off the rack, from normal department stores --- just like 99.9999% of all Nebraska and Kansas women.

Another interesting research project --

When was the last year any of your wives -- or Mrs. Smith -- spent $150,000 in six months for clothes?

Or -- When was the last time any of you forked over $3,200 to rewire the house so your wives could have a "Tanning Bed" installed?

Hockey Mom? Snowmobiler? Commercial Fisherwoman? Moosehunter? Tanning Bed?

Neiman Marcus, Saks, Bloomingdales,

ALL with someone else picking up the bill.

Last time I knew of a woman having someone other than her family buying fancy clothes for her, the working title was not candidate.

Does anyone see a pattern here.

Ike's buddies bought him a farm at Gettysburg.

Reagan's buddies bought him a ranch, and three mansions.

Miz Sary got some clothes, a real nice book contract, a high-pay Fox political pundits' job

and $125,000 plus expenses to speak for a Super Patriotic convention where they couldn't find an American flag.

comments from Margaret Thatcher

12/30/88 - "When we attempt an overall survey of President Reagan's term of office, covering events both foreign and domestic, one thing stands out. It is that he has achieved the most difficult of all political tasks: changing attitudes and perceptions about what is possible. From the strong fortress of his convictions, he set out to enlarge freedom the world over at a time when freedom was in retreat - and he succeeded. It is not merely that freedom now advances while collectivism is in retreat - important though that is. It is that freedom is the idea that everywhere captures men's minds while collectivism can do no more than enslave their bodies. That is the measure the change that President Reagan has wrought."

What is it you want Hank? Do you really believe that this country should move to directly to more socialism and misery? Do you really think that Americans should kill 3000 or more innocent kids every single day? Is that a banner you want to wave?

Your response to the words of Reagan were so full of BS, frankly I have neither the time or inclination hash all that out, but I want to try to understand you.

With many of the comments of the hard core left it is easy to see the arrogance mixed with brainwashing. It is comic relief, and taken as such. But you Hank, I don't believe you're arrogant, nor do I believe you're brainwashed.

I am trying to contrast your defense of the IRS versus your blistering attack on Reagan. Your deep concerns for the right of a woman to have her own child killed, just because she says so, versus the rights of free men and women not be robbed of the fruits of their labor by a bloated government.

Once I said you were envious, not of me of course, because you are most likely enjoy far more wealth than I, but envious of those who may have been born in a better state than you.

I find it odd that you would lead off your attack with Reagan concealing the fact that he wore makeup.

I wonder how you ration that against JFK, and his sexual proclivities, which included movies stars etc., and the press covering that up for years? In fact there have been reports that JFK had to take pain killers, and other drugs. In fact Hank, thousands of records that would show the American people these facts were sealed for a hundred years by Congress.

Yet, up until this moment, on my blogs, I have only talked about the good things that JFK stood for.

Candy,

You must really hate all the "obnoxious homosexuals" in the Republican party who keep getting caught giving out oral sex in public parks and airport bathrooms, and soliciting underage boys in online chat rooms. It seems Republican is the new Catholic priest when it comes to sexual depravity. Not surprising, smart people have known for a long time now that most Reps are hypocritical bottom feeders.

Reagan himself was an adulterous lying criminal...all of which are apparently favored as virtues for service in our government.

Even worse bigdawg, Palin paid Eric Schnure, A DEMOCRAT, $14,000 to write her a speech. How funny is that, Palin has her speeches written by a Democrat!!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/201...

Mickel-

Thank you for co-adopting my phrase...cute for you, important to me.

Sham, there is a question I have been begging to ask you; this post offers me the perfect opportunity...

You really love to hail your past icons, do you ever look to the future? What do you see when you envision the future?

Answer this without mentioning abortion and you may creep closer to credibility.

God bless America

-Mickel, lame

Sam, just curious what your thoughts are on the double digit inflation the country suffered through in 1982/1983, during the Reagan presidency?

Hey Conservative guys,

Ronald Reagan was a big, handsome,amiable and incredibly charming guy. If someone would join him for cards and conversation, he was about as nice to be around as anyone on earth.

He could memorize a two or three page speech within a half hour, give a perfect delivery and five minutes after finishing not have an inkling of where he spoke, who he spoke to or what he said.

Giving a speech was a scene to be played and forgotten. He was a professional at memorizing scripts, presenting the lines to perfection, and moving on.

Nancy was the steel spine in that family. Huge smile, incredible eyes -- could convince anyone she loved them more than any one, but Ronnie, just before she cut their throats.

Barry Goldwater was an incredibly fine drinking buddy, loved the poker table, would fly to Vegas or Mexico at the slightest excuse.

Reagan was managed by his "kitchen cabinet" who preferred he spend time at Santa Barbara so they could coach him.

Sy Rubel, chairman of the board for Union Oil;

Joel McCrea, brilliant businessman, real estate developer and an accomplished actor;

Milton Teague, president of the California Chamber of Commerce and head of one of the biggest citrus producers in the state;

Publisher Arrenberg of TV Guide.

In the main, these were not evil men.

Just very happy to have a governor and then a president under their direction.

With Barry Goldwater, there simply was no legislative accomplishment. None. NADA, Zilch.

Barry never authored a single major bill and rarely co-sponsored any legislation of importance.

LBJ on the other hand was an insufferable hard-nose, who was no fun to be around. LBJ was just simply a poor Texas country boy who made it in politics, received Sam Rayburn's help and had the mental ability to learn the game better than anyone else.

Barry and Ronald Reagan were both easy going, Reagan drank very little -- one drink an evening was it for him -- Barry loved the booze and female company and the poker table.

But, neither was personally effective.

Reagan started as a "front man."

Barry was put up as a Senatorial candidate by the Arizona JayCees wanting to prove they could run a statewide race.

They aimed the campaign at "snow birds" recently moved to the Desert from the snow country.

The Arizona Old Guard felt the Senate Majority Leader, Ernest McFarland, had nothing to fear from a first time "Kid Kandidate" for the GOP.

The "snow birds" turned out and Barry won the race.

It only cost Arizona a few BILLION, because with the Senate Majority Leader lost, they had no hope of defeating California for Arizona's share of the Colorado River water. In addition to the Majority Leader's clout, McFarland was probably the best water law expert in the nation. Later he became Arizona's chief justice of the state Supreme Court. Oh yeah, he was tougher than cured bullhide and rattlesnake mommas used this name to scare their kids. He was just no fun, like Barry.

California kept it for more than 40 years.

Carl Hayden stayed in office until he was almost 100, to carry the fight for that water.

Once the Central Arizona Project was funded, the Sheriff who made Arizona a state retired to die at home.

Few effective political leaders are nice guys.

Nice guys finish last and they don't like last place. Some of them chew nails for breakfast, eat hot coals for lunch and get mean before dinner.

QUOTE..."You must really hate all the "obnoxious homosexuals" in the Republican party who keep getting caught giving out oral sex in public parks and airport bathrooms, and soliciting underage boys in online chat rooms. It seems Republican is the new Catholic priest when it comes to sexual depravity. Not surprising, smart people have known for a long time now that most Reps are hypocritical bottom feeders.

Reagan himself was an adulterous lying criminal...all of which are apparently favored as virtues for service in our government.

-- Posted by Guillermo Inglaterra on Sun, Feb 7, 2010, at 1:23 PM " UNQUOTE

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Well, you've just got to love the "tolerant, intelligent, and well-educated" party...the party of Love and Diversity for all...

(unless you're a Republican - one of the 40% of our country that are "hypocritical bottom feeders")

Thanks for reminding us which is truly the party of hate, intolerance, and bigotry, GI. You and your Dims have that all sewn up.

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Hmmm, two open bigots in a row, calling GI a bigot for pointing out facts about pubs. It is terribly confusing to try and understand those who deny every truth except for what they believe.

I suppose with your blind admiration of Sarah Palin, that neither of you will recognize the hypocricy of the recent "R word" scuffle?

To be fair, Guillermo should have specified that pub leaders are bottom feeders, and that pub citizens are abused, brainwashed, zombies.

I'm not defending dems either. I'm just aghast at the current figures of inspiration for cons. It is plain to those of us who look at both sides that the cons are going through a renaissance of hatred, intolerance, and bigotry. But nice try trying to turn that one around.

I can say with confidence that Candy's view of homosexuals and Joe's view of blacks proves my point.

MrsSmith,

"Intelligent and well-educated" are certainly characteristics that more often represented in Liberals. This is a fact.

"Liberals have the highest education level of any typology group ­ 49% are college graduates and 26% have some postgraduate education."

http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=9...

But you are right, I am no more tolerant of Republicans who preach family values and are elected to office based on these values and then are caught in all kids of nefarious positions, than I am people like Joe or formerly G5 who are blatantly racist and xenophobic. No tolerance policy applies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Inte...

Mickel,

When you manipulate the data and beginning omitting ideological groups at your leisure, you are likely to find exactly what you want, that does not make your omissions genuine.

All I can say Hank is, YEAH RIGHT!

"When there are no shades of grey in people's thinking, everything is absolutely cut and dried, black and white and their political "heroes" can never fall off the white horse -- There is a problem."

You mean like when you and the Obama worshippers on this blog can't admit it when Mr. President Bozo LIES?

GI - I didn't tweak any data or omit any data. I was pointing out a glaring omission on YOUR part. An omission that basically said the education levels on both sides were approximately the same. Go back and look at the principal findings on the first page of the report for the definitions. I didn't write the report...I believe I just read more of it than you.

This doesn't serve any end except for the truth. I invite everyone on this blog who would like to witness what GI and I are discussing to view the data for yourself and see...there is no sweeping evidence to support his "thats a fact" statement.

Hank...you show your IQ when you refer to Americans exercising their free rights as "tea baggers". You know why using that type of term is wrong; either that, or you are a moron. Take your pick.

Please do us all a favor and quit acting like you are as podunk as your moniker indicates. I don't buy that you are an FB cap, MF windbreaker wearing good-ole-boy who has dung on your shoes. I also don't buy your 'gee howdy' man on the street interview. I travel extensively through NW Kansas and SW Nebraska and have yet to find the slanted views you describe in RURAL areas, let alone urban areas.

In toto, you had absolutely nothing to contribute with another epic length diatribe aside from shoring up your own bias in your own mind.

Continued...

Dr. Richard Brake is Co-Chair of ISI's National Civic Literacy Board. For more details regarding ISI's past and current civic literacy studies, and to take the test on-line, please go to www.americancivicliteracy.org.

Well-educated liberals??? Intellectual munchkins, uneducated about real history, basic civics, or anything USEFUL...educated mostly in leftist brainwashing.

The Party of Hate reigns supreme at most universities.

Pretty simple there Jaded American, it's what really happened. Not what you and the rest of the goofy left want.

Oh, that's smart, Chunky. So now the left believes what they want for history? You are almost as shameful as Candy.

What do the left "want" as far as history being different than real? Can you give an example? Oh! It must be something really logical like "Chairman Mao was a true patriot" or "Communism was good!"

So you think the left is goofy? That's so cute. I think the Tea Party right is insane. And poor people like you and Candy are brainwashed worse than the Germans were by Hitler.

Turn off Fox. Go outside and take a breath. Try to come back to reality and give me an example of the false history you are vaguely mentioning, so idiotically.

Oh, that's smart, Chunky. So now the left believes what they want for history? You are almost as shameful as Candy.

What do the left "want" as far as history being different than real? Can you give an example? Oh! It must be something really logical like "Chairman Mao was a true patriot" or "Communism was good!"

So you think the left is goofy? That's so cute. I think the Tea Party right is insane. And poor people like you and Candy a

Jaded, bump your turntable, the needle is stuck!

Carl - I am not going to stop mentioning abortion. I know you'd like me too, as there is innocent blood all over your hands.

Not going to play your game Carl, you're a sick puppy, and you need help. Ask God to forgive you, He will. Only the blood of Christ can wash away your hate and with that hate, your stupidity.

Sam, I never once participated in an abortion. I have no "blood on my hands." My plea for you to stop with abortion has far less to do with the actual topic of abortion than it does with you playing that card regardless of any discussion being had. Your standard operating procedure is whenever anyone makes an argument against your so-called points you respond with, and I'm paraphrasing here, "well you are wrong because you love baby murder!" your zealotry has rendered you incapable of debate and left you, on multiple occasions, looking like a dumbfounded, slack jawed, angry little man.

Sam, I think you are a fairly intelligent man, despite your evil nature, but I find a special humor in this...how you ducked another direct question, a question asking for an abortion free answer, with another rant about abortion hate and stupidity.

I don't have hate in my heart Sam, and I have a relationship with God, and I am so very far from stupid. You, on the other hand, are a hate monger who, and I have said this before, abuses the pulpit you choose to stand on. You have a gift for narrative, Sam, but I doubt you have ever experienced the joy of real thought.

God bless America

Yeah, my connection was like the party of no yesterday, my apologies.

Sorry Carl, but you are still a lame brain - the Nazi Party members that were still alive at the end of WW2 tried the same thing as you. They cried that they had nothing to do with robbing and killing over 6 million Jews. Most Americans viewed that as hogwash.

When you vote for and openly support people that see to it that millions of innocents are slaughtered, you are a part of that holocaust.

God in your heart? Not even close. You are like the Jews of Christ' time. They had God standing right in front of them, and they wanted to kill him.

In fact, I find you far more detestable than the average liberal jerk, because you claim God, and yet you support pure evil.

You will answer for your stupidity and hate Carl, one way or another. You will answer for those you led astray will your liberal theology.

Christ said that it would be better for those who hurt kids, to have a millstone tied around their necks and tossed in the sea, than to have to face the Judgement. You leftists have done everything in your political power to see to it that the abortion holocaust continues.

You say I have an evil nature huh? Again, I say thanks. That comment from you witnesses to me that I am on the right track. The Jews of Christ' time called Him evil as well.

It is folks like you Carl, that have led God's people down the wrong path with your pathetic example of alledged holiness.

Better pray hard Carl, you're gonna need it.

Sam, after reading your responses to Carl, we'd like to add a big DITTO!!!!!!!! I think you once wrote that the real fight today is between Christians, between people like Carl that polute God's message, and those true Christians who have the stones to stand for what is right.

Liberal theology eh old sammy? To hear you tell it, all of us "(insert BS term for non conservative here)" are far too Godless as to be a theocracy. Kudos to you for finally realizing I can love God without bowing to your mindless zealotry.

All past judgments aside, Sham, right back at ya.

God bless America

...you show your IQ when you refer to Americans exercising their free rights as "tea baggers". You know why using that type of term is wrong; either that, or you are a moron. Take your pick. Mickel

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Mickel -- my ex computer serviceman proudly labels himself a "Tea Bagger." (His politics did not cost him my business. His increasingly high prices and sorry workmanship did.)

A group outside a college auditorium last summer protesting a Health Care town hall, were wearing strings loaded with tea bags and boasting of being "Tea Baggers."

The organizers of the less than 1,000 present in Nashville last weekend, called it the "TeaBagger Convention" and someone put up $125,000 for Miz Sary to speak. She actually got off some funny lines, offered no new policy positions, spoke and cashed the check.

If it is good enough for them to claim it, I have no objection. Why should I??

Apparently you do object to them picking an identifier for themselves.

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Sam -- What you wrote as an expression of your Christian faith. Think about it.

"God in your heart? Not even close. You are like the Jews of Christ' time. They had God standing right in front of them, and they wanted to kill him.

"In fact, I find you far more detestable than the average liberal jerk, because you claim God, and yet you support pure evil.

"You will answer for your stupidity and hate Carl, one way or another. You will answer for those you led astray will your liberal theology."

Sam, I purely don't want you, Chunky, Mrs. Smith, Leo, Jose or Newt Gingrich deciding what my daughter does with her body.

Nor should you decide for my M.D. daughter-in-law.

That is not my decision, now that she is considerably older than 16, even 18, even 21.

It sure as thunder is not your decision.

Just as I do not get to tell the women in your family what to do with their bodies.

Nor should I.

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Jose, I'm sorely disappointed. You just won't believe I'm perfect.

"--Are you aware he says he made propaganda videos for the North Koreans?"

YEP, MY GOOF. The black hats torturing American fliers and friends of mine in the 1950s were the North Koreans.

McCain was there for the North Vietnamese to pound on.

As jailers and torturers go, I admit difficulty keeping them separated.

FACT REMAINS, JOSE, It is on the record McCain made propaganda films/videotapes for the North Vietnamese.

He admits it.

Has never denied it.

Wrote about it.

It is also on the record that he essentially got a free pass for admission to Annapolis, even after attending the Naval Academy "make-up" prep school to bring his grades and prerequisites up nearer requirements.

It is on the record that he was one of the most problematic Midshipmen in Annapolis history.

It is on the record that he was graduated at the bottom of his class, having walked a record number of punishment tours.

It is on the record that he crashed jet after jet after jet and was allowed to continue flying, even though he was a discipline and conduct problem.

Helps to have two admirals in the family.

Navy policy was and is -- wreck two of their jets and that ex-aviator is flying a desk for the rest of his career -- either that or is a permanent mess or "head" inspecting officer.

After Nam, it is on the record he shacked up in Hawaii with that much younger, blonde heiress in her luxury condo -- returning to the mainland when his wife went into the cancer ward and then he walked in with divorce papers.

After marrying Cindy Henseley, her millions bought a house seat and the senate spot.

His campaigns --"I was shot down in Viet Nam and was a POW."

I keep looking for something in his record to give me pride as an American.

Have tried to find it for more than 20 years.

Disobeying procedural orders and getting your fanny shot down, does not qualify as heroism.

Making those films under those circumstances should not condemn or even besmirch a man, if all else in all the POWs' records was even.

But Everett Alvarez was the longest imprisoned POW naval aviator. Everett was the first shot down by a SAM -- how the U.S. discovered North Viet Nam had the rockets.

Everett Alvarez never received a free pass on anything. He was an American kid of Mexican descent out of the California fields, who somehow earned his wings.

The North Viets wanted this brown-skinned pilot speaking their words to the world.

They never got that pleasure from Everett.

But John McCain, son and grandson of admirals, made up for it to them.

Sorry if my mistyping Korea for Viet Nam has destroyed your faith in all humanity -- but Hey, it was somewhere between 2 and 5 a.m. when I got in from the airport and after getting necessary business taken care of-- decided to check on the Gearjammer.

For once did not go back and check things, just sent it out to Red Willow and took me to bed.

Now I won't get a gold star.

GI - Okay...you don't like using the Pew data's own description of the study when using the data...you want to put on your own special colored glasses and propose that Dems overall are more educated than Reps...I'm going to poke a hole in your ballon.

Lets take another look at the graph found in the very section of the study you claim supports your assertion. Looking at the collective grouping of Reps vs Dems (and not the various striations...I was trying to give you the benefit of being able to use the strata...as they actually would save you some egg on the face...but whatever) you can see that the overall percentage of conservatives with some education and higher education vs liberals with some education and higer education is represented thusly:

Conservatives: College Grad 60% Post Secondary Education 28%

Liberals: College Grad 43% Post Secondary Education 35%

It would ALMOST look like you are correct in your assertion that libs overall have a higher PSE rate. But look again at the base numbers.

If you have a PSE rate of 28% that is based on a number of 60% of conservatives - you end up with a higher number of people than you would by having a 35% PSE rate of a number of 43% liberal college graduates. After all - PSE is AFTER a college degree not BEFORE it. Another way to look at it would be to consider the numbers of college graduates as a complete group in and of themselves. You have a 28% PSE rate of 100% of conservative college grads. You have a 35% PSE rate of 100% of libral college grads. The difference in college graduate numbers of con vs. lib is 60% vs. 43% - a 17% difference in typology that doesn't take into account the numbers of con vs. lib students attending college in the first place. However, a 35% lib PSE rate vs. a 28% of con PSE rate is only 7%. This 7% number would have to be diluted due to the disparity of con vs lib college grads in the first place.

On top of that you have to take into account the number of people in the nation that classify themselves as conservative vs. liberal. This would water down the liberal numbers even further, as approximately 60% of people in this nation consider themselves conservative.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conser...

And finally - your state by state breakdown must have been a lot of work...but did you take into account the outmigration and the inmigration of the red vs. blue states?

Myopia it is then.

Mickel, you need to go back to survey reading 101 my man. I am using the Pew data and it is clear. It states FOR THE THIRD TIME:

"Liberals have the highest education level of any typology group 49% are college graduates and 26% have some postgraduate education."

And I would like reiterate for the second time:

This study's purpose is to compare components of ideological groups, not to compare Dem v Rep as a whole. The Con (aggregate) vs Lib (component) argument you suggest is completely beside the point (and not valid anyway).

Liberal numbers are the highest numbers in comparison to the other typologies. YOU keep trying to conflate data sets, NOT ME. You keep combining all of the group "Conservative" (which the people at PEW painstakingly set about separating) and re-comparing that combined number to the SINGLE Liberal typology.

But playing along with your ingenuousness I started comparing Republican vs Democratic (NOT LIBERAL) voters. I gathered two credible sources (gallop polls/Census data) that both corroborated my original hypothesis: more highly educated voters tend to vote Democratic.

The data is clear on this Mickel.

GI - Myopic? Certainly you can agree that an opinion poll that interviews less than 3200 Americans will have a general cross-section view of our culture and not a hi-def picture of the American people. Then add in the 5+ or 5- margin for error allowed for these types of polls and you get an even fuzzier look at your "hard" numbers.

When I was comparing sets, I was comparing sets; and not a set vs. a singularity as you suggest. I kept them separate - review what I posted and you'll see.

But, alright. Lets deal with the straight across comparison you so eagerly wish to use as the fulcrum for your argument.

First...let's deal with the quote you keep posting. "Liberals have the highest education level of any typology group 49% are college graduates and 26% have some postgraduate education."

There's a second part to that quote..."But the Enterprisers also include a relatively high percentage of college graduates (46%), although fewer Enterprisers than Liberals have attended graduate school (14%)."

Now - seriously...you want to hang your hat on your assertion based on THIS? You are talking about a statistical flatline in the instance of college education...and then you tout "26% have some postgraduate education" as your rock evidence? Did you even READ what it said? SOME post graduate education. We're not even talking about about a 50% graduation rate when you talk about SOME. If it was HIGHER than 50% it would have said 'most'. But it didn't. I think you need to take 'Statistics 102'.

Either way...as I said in my first post about this...the educational levels of both ideologies are similar.

"more highly educated voters tend to vote Democratic." - Normally I would say that statement is a stretch. In the instance of Obama's POTUS election, I would say you had a cross-section of voters on both sides of the aisle that threw support toward the Dem ticket. If you wouldn't have had a healthy cross-section of support, the Dems would have never found themselves in a super-majority, and particularly without Conservative voters. I wouldn't count on that kind of anomaly happening again soon.

Hank - after searching for evidence of your assertion that the insulting term "tea-bagger" is self imposed by a group representing a tea party...I found...zilch, nada, nothing, zero. In fact the only reference I found was the term being used by groups who wanted to be nasty and snarky while mentioning freedom loving Americans engaged in Constitutional activity.

If you have a link...please post it. Otherwise, I'll assume you won't be using the off-colored term anymore.

Thanks.

Mickel, if you were not conflating stats, then please tell me where you got this figure:

Conservatives: College Grad 60% Post Secondary Education 28%

Liberals: College Grad 43% Post Secondary Education 35%

Cause it seems like the only you could have arrived at 60% was if you added some typologies together (and you misread the graph to boot).

And yes, polls do offer a fuzzy picture, which is why I went ahead and triangulated the data for you (a technique they teach in research methodology in doctoral programs). Hence my statement, "The picture should be starting to get a bit clearer " There are three pieces of evidence that all seem to suggest that those who have higher educations tend to vote Democratic. So far, you have not disproved that, you have only failed in impugning the data that I provided.

Mickel,

I think you have confused my argument, so lets start over.

Here is the premise: data suggests that the more educated people become, the more people tend to vote for Democratic candidates. Or put another way, Liberals tend to be the highest educated voting demographic.

The gap in the numbers of voters with grad school credits between Liberals and ANY component of the GOP (Enterprisers, Social Cons, Pro-Gov Cons) ranges from a 12% difference at best and a 21% difference at worst.

The data from Gallup corroborates this gap, as it points to two previous elections in which the Democratic candidate carried the most educated people in our nation by a whopping 15% margin in 2008 which is "roughly consistent with that of the last election in 2004."

There is also a third piece of data from the census bureau that indicates that states that historically voted democratic have a disproportionately higher number of citizens with a bachelor's degree or better, or put another way, the population of blue states have more educated voters in comparison to states that typically vote Republican.

Thus, it can be stated by these numbers, that a trend exists in higher educated people and their voting habits. That is: highly educated people tend to vote Democratic.

See, the previously banned guy gets it (please note sarcasm).

That's a good excuse for staying ignorant too.

Lets examine your admitted ignorance...

**Rocket Fuel, Clark Univ., Robert Hutchings Goddard 1914, US Patent 2,397,657:

Control mechanism for rocket apparatus solid-fuel rockets was a monumental advance.

**Insulin, Univ. of Toronto, Frederick Banting, 1922

Banting sold the patent to U. of T. for $1; later won Nobel prize. Insulin prepared from pancreas samples was injected into patients.

**Penicillin (production method), Oxford Univ. Howard Florey,Ernst Chain, 1939"

Florey and Chain developed a powdered form of penicillin, which was mass-produced in Britain in time to treat Allied soldiers on D-Day.

**Electronic Computer, Univ. of Pennsylvania John Mauchly, J. Presper Eckert, 1946:

This was the first large-scale, general purpose electronic computer.

**Polio Vaccine, Univ. of Pittsburgh, Jonas Salk, 1955:

First working Polio vaccine. Used infected monkey tissue killed with paraformaldehyde.

**Seat Belt, Univ. of Minnesota, James "Crash" Ryan, 1963:

First retractable, locking seatbelt for use in automobiles.

...I could keep going but I think it is obvious that your ignorance is much more generalized than you think.

Oh so now we're throwing out caveats? How about nation building? Economic theory? I wonder what Adam Smith would have to say about that.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Ignorance abounds.

Not perceived, hank. You admitted your willing ignorance of the importance of academia and the REAL LIFE impact the people within our academies have on all of us.

I agree, our entire economic system is a sham. I don't think capitalism is real either.

Hey Sam, I just saw that Charlie Crist and Marco Rubio will be debating twice (once on Meet the Press and once on Fox News) in March. Your analysis would make for some interesting reading and plenty of debate!

Domestic terrorist, murderer, and a kook. Although he did make some valid points in his diatribe suicide note. I think hank helped him write it given the length.

Can we also agree then that Hank is delusional?

What a load of Crap GI. Hank's style is a bizarre stream of recolections lost in time. I don't think any of it is true. Literary quality? maybe from the House of Bedlam.

yeah, attacking herndon there was unfair...after all, you lil girls have your Magneto to cheer for, let us keep our professor X.

God bless America

Yeah, Boo, I know all about you...a leopard can't changes its spots. HUA!

If you are referring to Guillermo DE (note the preposition) Inglaterra, we indeed bear a similar moniker.

Once again hank, your wit knows no bounds! Every time I watch that show now, I will chuckle softly to myself. When someone asks me what I am laughing about, I will respond, "Oh, nothing." But the smile on my face will say otherwise. A smile that can only be duplicated by another post by you, hank.

Actually that doesn't kill me, this is a pretty natural phenomenon in America. The party in power typically does not maintain that power for long. That is because there are A LOT of independent voters out there who are not stalwart's of a particular ideology, who tend to vote against the dominant party. Thus there has been, is, and probably always will be an ebb and flow (see Reps being cleaned out of both houses in the mid 2000's for a recent example).

So no, I am not the least bit surprised by the Dems losing elections, nor will I be surprised (and I wrote this on this blog before Obama was elected) to see Obama only serve one term (though I really want to see him serve 8).

Ours is as contentious a political landscape as ever in this country, and you can be assured that as balance comes back to Washington, and even as balance tips towards the right, it will always tip back again. You cannot be a living breathing American with any sense of history of your own country and not know this.

And because you seem to still be very confused...I am not saying that all Democratic voters are educated, I am saying that those people in this country with higher educations tend to vote Democratic. This is true.

"By the way -- you may not find the term tea baggers in the official Tea Party material on the internet. "

I already told you that...gee...my credibility just shot through the roof getting ol' Hank to back up one of my statements.

What exactly do you find "chilling," Mickel? Despite the caustic tone, there are plenty of valid points and insights.

That's what I thought.

Love to. I am in Lincoln till summer.

Backassward Hank,

Maybe the Gazette can contact the Governor's office and get the warden to extend you a furlough so you can join their tea party.

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GearJammer,

If you pick this up.

Did you get home and do you have any Owner Operators wanting to lease or sell their late model tractors and 53' dry vans with payments.

My guy here should be getting his check from Labor Court soon.

If you have never got to hear a Judge rip six new ones from company excecutives, you have truly missed one of life's greatest pleasures.

I can only hope the Arrow people get some measure of justice. Helluva note, when Swift starts riding to the rescue of drivers.

Hope those boys who took them up on their offers, make sure to count their fingers after shaking hands.

Haha, RRW I don't think you realize how close to Spain a tinto verano would take me, especially in the cold heart of a Nebraska winter.

This small town buried a hero today.

Josiah, the fun-loving boy everyone knew as "Biker Joe" came home the final time.

From the Interstate, along the state highway, along the narrow Main Street, all traffic stopped for the six miles to the cemetery. Seemingly every U.S. flag in two states was visible.

Every deputy sheriff and reserve deputy, every police officer and reserve , every cadet for six departments in the area was either in the funeral procession or posted at an intersection.

Every full-time and volunteer fireman, on-duty and off duty alike, were ranked in full uniform before the fire station.

All Post Office employees were at attention, in uniform.

Four scout troops lined the courthouse square, each scout presenting the flag.

Ranked behind, greying members of the VFW, American Legion and Disabled American Veterans.

City hall and courthouse staffs were at attention, Judges in robes, bailiffs in uniform, overweight men and women in business dress -- everyone at attention.

The funeral procession was preceded by single motorcycle officers from the six departments , two county Sheriff's departments and the State Police, followed by the hearse bearing a small town's Hero.

Behind the hearse, at least one hundred of "Biker Joe's" cycling buddies, his brother leading the group with Joe's favorite dirt bike.

Behind from the biggest and most loaded Harleys down to stripped down motocross racers.

Then the procession of autos, the white stretch limos with the family and three miles of Joe's friends.

Joe came home to be with his family and friends, Americans all..