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Consent by ShotgunPosted Thursday, February 4, 2010, at 5:52 PM
The IRS, the enforcement arm of the bloated obscenity that has become the United States Government, is getting ready for the massive tax increases which will soon be upon us. The folks at the IRS are putting out bids: (this from the bid request by the government) The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS$ Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend." www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=for... You and I would be arrested for having a shotgun with only a fourteen inch barrel, but for the tax collector, nothing but the very best in assault weaponry. We need to wake up folks. Did we not learn anything from watching Stalin or Hitler? Since many history classes in state schools and colleges have become victims to progressive revisionists, you may not fully have understood what happened as Hitler took over Germany. Hitler needed money for his welfare promises and massive government growth. So, they do what all good young dictators, (and dictators in waiting) do, they demonized the rich, and in Germany, the rich were mostly Jewish. Class envy has always been the preferred weapon of the leftists. The Jews were targeted for cash, and robbed and eventually killed off. It was a money grab to fund a huge government. Stalin robbed the people of the Ukraine, causing twenty million to starve to death. The folks in the Ukraine were producing more than enough to feed themselves, but Stalin robbed them of their efforts, and the people could just damn well starve. Why do you think the IRS and the Tax Code are basically "hands off" to any elected politicians? If you are a Congressman or Senator, and you want to investigate the IRS, or our horrid Tax Code, you might just get a phone call. "Congressman, do you mind coming in to talk, and oh yeah, bring your complete financial records for the past ten years, will ya?" Our current elected officials are afraid of the IRS, because the addiction of government power and government greed have rendered them impotent. The Tax Code is purposely difficult and convoluted. That way, almost every one of us, could be at any given time, in some technical violation of the tax law. I don't care how carefully you prepare your return to the feds, are you ready for a full IRS anal exam? Progressives have managed to allow the murder of millions of unborn by claiming a right to privacy. Is there any right to privacy with the IRS? They know everything about you, where you work, how much you make, where you live, your banking information, information on family members, and they can access it any time they want to make your life difficult. The IRS attacks small businesses, in almost a punishing way, as if to penalize the self employed for having the audacity to take a risk. All we hear from progressives is how business is greedy. Baloney! Our government has taken greed to a whole new level. They not only are robbing you and I, for a bloated, wasteful inefficient government, increasing all the time, on all levels, they are systematically robbing our children and grandkids. George Clooney, a noted progressive, had a telethon to raise money for Haiti. Great job! He raised $66 million in one day for Haiti. Just to compare, you know, keepin' it real, if George were to have a telethon to help repay the money Obama and company blew through in ONE year, Clooney would need to raise $66 million every single day for the next 158 years. You know the government is going to need money, and more money, and after robbing the rich, and destroying the economy, where is this cash going to come from? I guess I can see why the IRS needs more assault weapons. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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The IRS needs assault weapons because redneck Christian Conservatives carve them up and hang them from trees when they try to do their jobs.
So Sam, I suppose you are aware that the IRS Criminal Investigation unit is responsible for investigating drug syndicates and are part of anti-terrorim task forces. I mean, you wouldn't possibly be launching another hyperbolic scream fest, would you?
Guill, if you are speaking of the census worker who was found dead, he committed suicide, scrawling the word "fed" on his own chest.
Ky. census worker killed himself, police say
Battling cancer, he had taken out $600,000 in life insurance
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34130128
This one GI?, can't find any IRS workers killed in this manner.
Guess he didnt have enough money for treatment. What a shame.
"Angry citizens find government a large, enticing target for their frustrations. Crime seeps from city streets onto federal property and into federal buildings. Staff cuts and efforts to reinvent and reengineer operations without adding resources erode morale and eat away at employees' confidence.
Although government workers make up just 18 percent of the workforce nationwide, 30 percent of the assaults occurred among state, local and federal government employees.
In recent years, ranchers, miners, county officials and right-wing militia members have brought new forms of violence to Western states where the federal government owns vast expanses of land. Western counties passed ordinances asserting that they, not Washington, controlled such lands. Local officials and land users cited these ordinances as they threatened federal land managers, disobeyed their orders and barred them from federal lands. Forest Service offices were bombed in New Mexico and Arizona; fires were set at Bureau of Land Management facilities in California and Nevada; a Labor Department mine inspector and his wife were injured in a car bombing in California.
The actions of those in the land movement and right-wing militias "all to a different intensity come from some wellspring of anti-government fervor," says Peter Coppelman, the Justice Department's deputy assistant attorney general for environment and natural resources. A two-pronged assault by Justice officials on the county supremacy movement seems to have reduced the incidents. The department won federal and state court rulings against the ordinances and brought civil actions against those who conducted illegal activities on federal land."
Even off site, workers are in danger. "I've consulted with [IRS]. Their people get attacked-the people who go out to place liens, handle nonpayment of taxes," Masi says.
http://www.wps.org/pubs/short-fuse.html
The Kentucky fella trying to cash in some insurance for his family is not relevant...federal employees have been under attack in this country for DECADES...That includes any tortured taxmen in Mississippi who were subsequently hung, any children in day care in Oklahoma City who were relieved of their limbs and lives, and any unarmed VA officers in New Mexico who were stitched with lead in cold blood.
Gi I think you are channeling Hank.
As much as I enjoy Hank's posts, the reality I wasn't referring to Mr. Sparkman.
Let us not ignore the fact that yet another vital link to the future of Shamerica is broken.
Gearjammer ole buddy-
I would hereby indict you as a heretic suffering shame upon our father's holy name. Surely you understand that you have forsaken heavenly blessing as an idolator...surely you realize that, though you deify it, the dollar is not your savior.
Certainly you realize that one day you will be called upon to answer for your life
How will you respond when the saint asks you "how, brother, have you left the world better for your passing?"
How will you answer when the saint asks you "how, brother, did you aid those less fortunate than you?"
How will you answer when these tenets are lain upon you;
1. 1. Do not worship other gods.
"didst thou, my brother, pray not to me but, rather, to the dollar?"
2. Do not worship idols.
"didst thou, my brother, pray not to me but, rather, to the dollar?"
3. Do not misuse God's name.
"have i not seen you, dear brother, call upon my name from pulpit to speak of ill deeds?"
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
"Have i not seen you, dear brother, blaspheming my message on Sunday?"
5. Honor your father & mother
"have i not seen you, dear brother, accuse thy neighbor's mother and thy neighbor's father of all manner of ill deeds?"
6. Do not murder.
"if none then only for fear of capture."
7. Do not commit adultery.
"if none then only for fear of capture."
8. Do not steal
"have i not seen, dear brother, how you rip the duty of choice from the sacred?"
9. Do not lie.
"my brother, i ask only that you attempt to give me faith in thee."
10. Do not covet.
"my brother, i ask only that you attempt to give me faith in thee."
Sam, what you need to realize is that you have defiled a pulpit.
It brings me joy to know that, following the rapture, you will have the world to do with as you please because every decent soul will be gone and you and those like you will be left to wonder how your backward minds were so wrong.
Sam Eldridge there is nothing good about who you are or what you do.
Propagandists always leave the world alone.
God bless America
Wow, Sam, you really touched a nerve with the purple shirts, didn't you?
Dadburn Gearjammer,
Back in the 60s, when I rode with a small desert- town cop most Saturday afternoons, holding barrroom doors open and covering his back with one of those riot guns(sawed off shotgun) -- I was plumb unaware that I was just an instrument for Obama's and the liberals destruction of America.
Let's see, had he even been born in Kenya then?
Border Patrol, Customs, Secret Service and IRS agents are required to put their lives on the line in some hairy situations.
Such as, taking down a Drug cartel's transfer house in any part of the country; raiding a major meth lab in any suburb, or on a remote ranch; Stopping a big rig packed with 112 illegals between San Angelo and Fort Worth; Raiding a 50,000 gallon per month moonshine distillery in South Cleveland; GET THE PICTURE.
When a major action is required, every federal officer from every agency gets called in.
Routinely, they have body armour, kevlar helmets, sidearms/assault rifles/riot guns -- either in their headquarters or secured in their autos.
For a Meth Lab raid in a remote abandoned ranch building outside Miles City, MT or Rio Vista, CA -- every federal officer and most state and local officers who can be spared from the streets get called in.
Why -- Some of those gentle Meth Makers have been known to conceal snipers with scope sights around their labs. Badge-toters get killed in these situations. So some carry rifles, some carry riot guns, all wear body armour.
[Had a ranch-owner friend who tipped his sheriff to a meth lab operating in an unused remote line shack and barn on his land. The raid netted about 300 lbs. of meth, several tons of precursors and other ingredients, two light planes, six vehicles AND SEVEN HEAVILY ARMED PEOPLE. Within a week, there were two attempts to kill the rancher, his wife and son.]
If you want to volunteer for full training as an auxiliary police officer or reserve deputy sheriff, there might be opportunity for you to carry one of those riot guns.
Of course, if some unfriendly opens up on you at 400 yards with a scope-sighted 50 caliber rifle, you might want to swap that riot gun for a 105 recoilless rifle.
Want to uphold constitutional law? Here's a marvelous opportunity for all you conservative thinkers.
How about it, Sam? Chunky? BooJum? Ms. Smith?
Leo Pold?
Feel like racing down to volunteer for the next meth raid?
Not much in the way of hazard pay, your county may provide $50,000 in life insurance for volunteers.
Yes Joe, you are correct. As long as Sam continues to base his outrage on premises that are easily disproved with a two-minute Google search, he will continue to raise the ire on many on this board.
A google search? So what did you disprove from his above blog? After all, a google search will lead you to lots of choices of sites, one of which will surely agree with your point of view, regardless of the truth. Kind of like dealing with lawyers, huh?
Oh, I forgot, the bozo administration if full of lawyers! Why, bozo himself is a lawyer! Google that, rrw!
Lawyers in suits, and thugs in purple shirts! Don't bother you a bit, does is RRW????
It tends not to bother most people who don't think in lazy stereotypes Joe, but I guess that explains your xenophobia. Does it hurt to be reasonable, or are you naturally an indolent thinker?
A Google search, Joseph, will tell you exactly what the CI unit of the IRS does. These guns aren't for auditors coming to your house. The CIU is a specialized investigative unit made up of 2,800 officers:
http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcemen...
http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcemen...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_Crimina...
http://www.articlesbase.com/taxes-articl...
The CIU doesn't come after people who don't pay their taxes, as Sam eluded to. They investigate people who deliberately commit criminal acts to cover not paying taxes or people who are making income from illegal activities, i.e. drug trafficking or funding terrorism. I dunno, Joseph, if I'm involved in a sting operation investigating a drug cartel's operations inside the US, I might want to be...oh I don't know...armed.
Sam wants to pretend that a bid for 60 shotguns for the men and women helping stop terrorism and drug dealers means that the government is coming for you and you money. Like I said before, pure hyperbolic scare tactics.
Oh, and Joseph, just so you know: some of the people who help convict criminals and put them in jail...they're lawyers too.
"How about it, Sam? Chunky? BooJum? Ms. Smith?
Leo Pold?"
Notice he didn't say Joe Buck. Probably because Joe Buck is a non-contributing troll.
It's funny, you actually make Sam and the others look bad. If you cared about Sam and his message and the other cons you would refrain from posting, or try to type something helpful to your very noble cause.
Again, it works both ways, jack!
Once again, the purple shirted thugs come out with the names and insults! SOOOOOOOOO predictable!
Speaking of predictable...
Hey Sam, you should do a blog about how outraged you are that Obama put his feet on the desk in the Oval Office!!! Then you could talk about how he has no respect for the office of President, and how this is just typical of Marxist behavior and how it just proves that Obamunists are going to eat your children.
Holy Cow, you're right Joe! The Attorney General's office is FULL OF THEM!!!!!
And the cabinet, and the czars, and the senate, and on and on and on!
How about it Sam? They saw the gun, and immediate paronoia set in. They focused so hard on the gun, they missed the best parts!
I think we've read this blog before, it follows a predictable formula: First, you start with a false premise, then you use that premise to make up rage about something that hasn't happened. After that, you throw in some stuff about how the Marxists are taking over, maybe mention abortion even if it's totally unrelated to the topic at hand. Then, you wrap it up by connecting your paranoid rant to the opening easliy debunked premise.
Kinda like Mr. President Bozo ranting against the "rich"?
Hey Gearjammer,
Just awaiting with bated breath for word of how many of your constitutional conservatives are volunteering for posse duty apprehending the drug gangsters.
Noticed in the report regarding stopping the Boeing project on the border, the officials carefully avoided saying anything about the technology which is working.
Just as Republican Congressmen touring Afghanistan and Pakistan carefully avoid discussing this administration's programs which are working where the Republicans failed after seven years.
Bush/Cheney spent a Trillion or so in Iraq, couldn't figure a way out.
Bush/Cheney pulled a winning team out of Afghanistan to send them into Iraq.
Bush/Cheney managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and let Bin Laden, the Taliban and all Al Qaeda get away.
That terrible Obama listens to the military, orders the Unmanned Aerial Surveilence and Attack vehicles into the air -- and it is working.
How underhanded of him, take the military's advice, accomplish in a year what those genius Republicans failed to do in seven years, and not once did he wear a jet jockey's pressure suit to strut around the First Lady's White House Garden.
No sense of the dramatic moment -- of of the absurd. That takes a Republican who nearly triples the national debt.
Do notice you patriotic Neo-Cons keep shoveling the Male Bovine Excrement about Obama spending more than DubYah and the Draft Dodgers.
Well Hank I happen to be a person, a citizen of this country that belives in my reposibility to pay my taxes and as that type of person I have no fear of the goverment.
Also, part of my taxes pay for protection from crimials so I don't need to volunteer to be a amature police officer. So You can take your challenge and place it where the sun doesn't shine you senile blow hard.
well shoot, th kee bord gremlins got me
that would be responsibility and amateurs
:)
Mr. Buck, if you would kindly provide some sort of a transcript of a speech where he rails against the rich, that would be super duper!
Sam exposed these Socialists again. The IRS is even worse than Sam described, and the tax code is a joke, but a cruel joke, feeding on the producers, and enabling those on the left that produce nothing but bills past due.
As Carl now sinks into new lows trying to catch Guillermo in the hate department, I would wager real cash that neither Carl or Guillermo have ever paid a dime in income tax.
Sam, they never really do address the points you make do they? They think trying to smear and belittle you is an answer to your arguments. Take heart Sam, the country is waking up, we are on to these progressives. Their end is near, and as you can see from their responses, they know it.
Leo - Thanks for the kind words. I knew that the America haters out there would defend the IRS. They need the hideous tax code to impose their alledged morality upon us all.
Carl - Thanks for your rebuke. Not that I needed assurance that I speak the truth, but seeing your response, is further evidence that the truth just tears you up. It has got to be tough, realizing that you are a walking lie, and live a lie. I don't know what religion you are, and frankly I don't care. I asked you repeatedly why God should bless America, and all you could offer, in your typical smart azz way was, "Fox News."
So Carl, you have decided that I'll miss the Rapture huh? LOL. Not very loving of you, but then again, you defend the daily murders of three thousand kids, so I don't expect a whole lotta love out of you.
Guillermo - Thanks again for showing us all how our education system is an indoctrination system. As Spain is now facing bankruptcy from years of the type of government you adore, maybe you'll run to Spain, and take your place in line with everyone else looking for handouts.
Joe - and Bojum / you're appreciated. It is hard to take the left seriously, accept for the fact that they seriously want to destroy this country. As Guillermo, and now Carl, have shown repeatedly, hate is a hard force to overcome.
Sam, have you noticed that the EU is now starting to crumble from years of liberal thinking. Greece has been told by the EU to get it together, and the citizens, use to government handouts and payoffs, are rebelling.
You are right about Spain, and other Socialist states are soon to follow. Did you read all of Guillermo's BS about the poor picked on government workers? Government workers and unions are working hard to have all of America look like Detroit. The dark heart of liberalism can only shine in the misery of others.
RRW, you have to be kidding! I suppose "fat cats" in a compliment in the obamanation? The party of "make up a crisis, then blame it on someone" is doing exactly as Sam writes. They are doing their best to incite class warfare! As Sam has pointed out, it has worked before. I have been around for more presidents than I am happy to count, and this clown by far leads the pack in discrediting success. Heck, I want Clinton back, a sex maniac is far better than a meglomaniac! Besides, Hillary had experience as President!
Leo - what a great line..."the dark heart of liberalism can only shine in the misery of others." How true. Oh sure, I saw all that crappola Guillermo was layin' down.
Government workers, on almost all levels, have been enjoying pay hikes, acting like there are no economic problems. The concept of "public service" has been replaced with "the public owes us". It is sad. We have way too many government employees, at all levels, getting paid way too much for doing way too little. They all get fat vacations, fat paid days off, fat health care programs, and fat retirement programs. And they damn well have the attitude that we had better give them everything they want, or we're ungrateful.
I have often wondered about the conflict of interest when they vote. The public employee unions are in the back pocket of the Obamunists, and they could give a tinkers' damn about the folks who actually have to pay the bills.
Leo - when you are driving down the road, and you see a shiny brand new dumptruck, isn't it almost always a government vehicle? It is the farmers, and self employed folks that get to drive the old dumptrucks. Where did we get the idea that public employees get to have the very best of everything?
Joe - You nailed it! Remember, it was the leftists in Congress, and Bill Clinton, that caused the market meltdown prior to the election. Liberals cause problems, and then count on diluted souls like Guillermo and Carl to lie and blame everybody else.
Liberal and progressive thought will one day be properly labeled as a mental disorder.
Reformed - I have serious doubts that you were ever a right winger. Knock off the BS, and come clean.
FDR: "We have nothing to fear, but fear itself!"
Bozo: "If it wasn't for Bush, the "rich fat cats" and the Republicans, you all would get the handouts I promised you!"
FDR: "Yesterday, December 7, 1941, a date which will live in infamy...."
Bozo: "Let's not jump to conclusions, we don't know this was an act of terror!"
JFK: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country!"
Bozo: "Ask what your country can take away from the "rich" and give to you!" - "rich" defined as anyone with a job! Fewer of those as time goes on!
Funny, Sam, I thought liberalism and "progressive/repressive" already were mental disorders? Didn't you get that memo?
I am amazed they call themselves "progressives" when they are actually working to "repress" success! Therefore, I will refer to them as "progressive/repressive" as akin to "passive/agressive"
Indeed! Nazi Pelosi wrote a nasty letter back in 03 to President Bush, after 3 million lost jobs, a scant two years after 911, and raked him over the coals for all the suffering of the unemployed. Now that Obama has killed or damaged perhaps as many as 10 million jobs, she says nothing, and the Obamunists manipulate the numbers. We are way over 10% unemployment.
Heck, Sam, I'll bet the closest he ever got to the right wing was the last time he ate at Kentucky Fried!
Yes, Nazi Pelosi was quoted as calling Bush "the worst president since Hoover related to job losses!" This was in 2003, when the unemployment rate was what, 5%??? So, now that unemployment has doubled since then, what does that make her favorite clown? I think she has fried her last brain cell with all that alcohol us taxpayers are buying her! She does have great taste in brands, though, since we get to buy all her rounds!
I sincerely hope the unemployment rate increases by one in November, and she is the one!
I wonder, will we have to buy her booze and pay to fly her back to the Left Coast after she loses???
Joe, I am done trying to engage you. Do me a favor and stop using my oxygen.
Sam, I can give you no proof of my past political leanings other than my word. I have never stated that I support Obama or his positions, and all that I have asked is that you support your positions with facts and not use easily refuted arguments to begin an argument. I know your tactics and your ramped-up fear because I used to believe it. If you say something I agree with, I will not hesitate to agree with you. I watched John Stewart on the O'Reilly Factor the other night. I don't usually watch his show, but something he said has resonated profoundly the last couple of nights. I don't remember the exact quote, but he essentially said that those on the right (and Fox News spefically) take legitimate concerns and turn them in to the second coming of Chairman Mao. Sam, some of your concerns are legitimate, but when every single post contains the same talking points (Marxism, a comparison to Hitler, and "lefties" supporting the killing of babies), it becomes tiresome, predictable and borderline pathetic.
And by his show, I meant John Stewart.
Reformed, quit wasting your oxygen saying you are going to ignore me! Didn't work for JadedFredd, and it probably won't work for you!
So, do you fault Bozo for never changing his talking points as you fault Sam? Or is that a different shoe you expect Sam to wear?
Sam, did you ever notice that it is the progressive/repressives who watch and quote Rush, O'Rielly, and Beck? No wonder those guys have great ratings!
I wonder if they just watch to give them an opportunity to yell at their TV sets?
Reformed - I am certain there were guys like you around when Hitler was taking over Germany. When some sane voices tried to point out that Germany was on the road to evil and destruction, I think it was guys like you that called them pathetic.
I can see that the daily murder of three thousand innocents doesn't bother you, it's kind of a joke to you isn't it? You see, I don't think God looks at this as a joke. Our country has been in decline ever since Roe v. Wade.
I am certain that guys like Carl were with you in pre-Hitler Germany. Whenever a real Christian would warn that Christians and people of faith should not hold hands with an evil government, I can see that guys like you and Carl stood by smiling while Dietrich Bonhoeffer was taken away in chains.
You leftists were there in Germany, telling the people that the government did not want to harm the Jews! You labeled those that rang the warning bell as crazy. Your kind assured everyone that Hitler just wanted the Jews to pay their fair share. Your kind was there to tell everyone that the Nazi's just wanted to give everyone medical care, but them evil Jews stood in the way.
Reformed - guys like you were there in Germany. As the Nazi's took over, some warned that Germany was headed to total government, just like in Russia, and guys like you said that they were tired of detractors constantly comparing the new German Government to Lenin.
I stand by every single point I made in my blog. You have not refuted a single point.
And, I will stay on Abortion, because abortion has eaten away at the very soul of this country, which you, Carl & Guillermo demonstrate so well.
If you believe that the defense of our most defenseless, the unborn, is borderline pathetic, then I also stand by my belief that you never were on the right to begin with.
If you, reformed, stand with those who claim it is perfectly okay to rob those who have been successful, to engage in class warfare, then you never were a conservative.
HA! Sam, your motto should be "when in doubt go to the Hitler card." And I never said that defense of the unborn was pathetic. What I said is that using someone's supposed position on abortion to shout down an argument that has nothing to do with abortion is pathetic. Sam, I respect your view, but not the way you exploit it.
So, you truly believe that a law enforcement wing of the IRS, one that fights drug dealers and terrorists shouldn't have access to firearms? And you truly believe these 60 shotguns will be used to come to your house and collect taxes?
to all
I pay my taxes as a responsible american citizen.
I wish our goverment would find a way to stop the program of tax and spend to ease the load for the middle class that bears the brunt of paying for this wastefull attitude.
I wish our liberal goverment would greet every illegal alien at the border with a w-4 form and a big welcome smile. Change that green card into a tax card and make sure all of the guest workers pay their fair share. I bet that would slow the flow.
Then the goverment could tell the new tax payers, look at the nice matte black shotguns we just got, any guesses what we use these for? How much lead do you need for a running tax cheat? Is it legal to arkansas a tax payer? What are the pelts worth? sorry, I couldn't resist some gun range humor.
I wish our Goverment would reduce the largest work force in the USA.
Two weeks ago Obama said he was working so hard that he hadn't been listening to the people. Well he still is tone deaf as he keeps growning the size of the goverment and how much money he need from the tax payers.
sam, its an opinoin blog. hard to refute your opinion.
Hard to refute but fun to laugh at!
And also easy to see that his opinions are a house of cards built on a foundation of sand.
"..will we have to buy her booze and pay to fly her back to the Left Coast after she loses??? -- Posted by Joe Buck on Sat, Feb 6, 2010,
Jose, puh-leeze do the world a favor and hold your breath until Nancy Pelosi loses her house seat.
And, super patriot BooJum -- Rolling snake eyes on volunteering for a local law enforcement agency. Poor baby doesn't want to be an "amature cop."
ITEM -- auxiliary and reserve officers, after about 80 hours of formal training and 120 hours occupying the passenger seat during night patrol, MAY FINALLY GET A BADGE. That's more formal training than logged by the entire Earp family at Dodge and Tombstone. More formal training than received by Bill Tilghmann and many other lawmen, including John Saxon and Carl Hayden of Arizona.
But most local departments today require about 200 hours of combined classroom and on-patrol training before they issue an auxiliary badge.
My point remains --- ALL you super patriot, anti everything conservatives could help a great deal in holding down local government's costs, by volunteering -- and local law enforcement is a great place to start.
Volunteer fire departments can use your brawn, brains and bravery.
Your city or county parks and recreation people would certainly welcome volunteers -- and you won't have to learn to shoot a firearm.
But again, if you want to help slow the influx of illegal drugs, unlicensed alcohol, black-market cigarettes and undocumented humans -- seeking opportunity serve with your local police or sheriff's department as a volunteer, would be of real value.
By the way, self identified and proclaimed conservatives -- having some volunteer credentials in practical law enforcement will do wonders for your personal morale.
Really Hank. The police agencies you described allow volenteers to go on interdiction raids?
Some how I don't belive that would be true.
Next time I meet with the police chief I will have to ask him.
keep your powder dry hank
Mr. Sam.
1. Your link about the shotguns....doesn't work, all I got was "The requested notice could not be found."
2. Let me try to understand your logic on this. In past blogs you are an avid supporter of the 2nd amendment. Which protects our right to bear arms. (I am a supporter of this, and own arms.) Yet you rant about the IRS purchasing a mear 60 new shotguns for more than likely their law enforcement division? It would seem by the rather small number of shotguns, more than likely they are replacements.
You are an avid supportor of the military and I assume of law enforcement, yet you do not want the IRS enforcement to have new/modern weapons to protect themselves from the criminals? I believe you have twisted this into something that it isn't.
3. I am an independant and do not agree with the righties or the lefties on some of this crap, but this twisted subject is just that crap.
Wondering, you don't have to assume these guns are for the criminal investigation unit. The bid that went out clearly states that. And like I said before, this unit fights drug dealers and terrorists. Sam is very good about taking a false issue and going down his "the government is out to get [insert belief here]" game.
I guess maybe there are some people out there that hate the government so much, they would rather see federal agents killed by drug dealers and terrorists. I'm not saying Sam is one of them, but I haven't seen him prove he isn't.
I think it is fairly obvious that because of the acronym "IRS" and Sham's brainwashed logic that taxes are evil, even at the mention of the word "taxes," or the sight of the letters "IRS," his addled mind immediately sets his nerves a-tingle, and he begins gnashing his teeth and tearing his hair in fear. It really isn't his fault...you drive a big rig up and down and left and right across the incredible expanses of the US interstate system for most of your adult life while swilling cheap caffeine (the occasional amphetamine perhaps?) and listening to nothing but radical right-wing AM radio...see how scrambled your brain gets!
What is funniest about Sham's screed is that without taxes, he has no roads to drive on, without roads to drive on he has no job.
BooJum,
If you are healthy, strong, mentally alert and morally straight -- with no felony record -- a lot of police departments can use volunteers as auxiliary and reserve officers.
Volunteers buy their own uniforms and equipment, and if finally authorized to carry a side-arm, they buy that. Usually find a used weapon with a full-time officer, often can find used utility belts, batons, etc.
The full-time officers are glad for some help.
Come football nights, parades, county fairs, etc. having a dozen volunteers to help direct traffic is a godsend for a budget short department.
Don't have any illusions -- there are easier ways to spend an NFL Sunday afternoon, than being in the Public Works parking lot practicing traffic direction and crowd control.
With serious business, the volunteers may not get any closer than keeping traffic out of the area, but it is nice to have the sawed-off in your hands when you have no idea of who is in that pickup coming up to your roadblock with his bright lights on -- or if he is holding an AK-47.
Works better to have one man off to the side in the shadows, possibly kneeling behind a vehicle as unknowns approach.
Guarantee it will increase blood pressure and pulse.
Of course, once you have been through all the training, have the recognized certificates and credentials -- move to a new town and county, with your uniforms and equipment -- you will never meet friendlier police.
Just ask your old chief to call ahead with his blessings.
Can produce a bunch of willing hands to help unload that U-Haul.
There is a cost. But there are rewards.
Be near a major correctional facility and get called out several times annually to man road blocks after prison breaks.
Absolutely great way to spend midnight to 7 a.m. hunkered down a few yards from a railroad crossing where you can watch and listen for movement on the tracks and the road.
No Boo, you don't just walk in and demand a badge and gun. That ain't the way it works.
You have to earn the right to that uniform and its responsibility and you have to understand the reason for the "Mirandizing" of arrested people.
There's probably 200 hours of study of law before you get to ride in a patrol car, smelling of drunks' vomit and urine.
After you start riding patrol, expect to continue devoting weekends to training and education-- without pay.
But when you get to be a cranky "Old Fart" as you boys like to declare, you don't have to apologize for breathing free air.
Because you will know -- Free air ain't free.
It must be earned.
Again hank I say, YEAH RIGHT!
Ever heard of a little thing called, LIABILITY! Maybe in your hippie commune there are volunteer cops, but out here in the REAL WORLD we live our lives, as do the police, to avoid the trial lawyers.
Sure, let's all volunteer to direct parking with an M-16 in our hands. That should liven up the county fair! Chunky, what Hank suggests is not simply a LIABILITY problem, but a CRIMINAL LIABILITY problem. To get help unloading your U-Haul? Puhleeeeeze!
Better yet, let's put a radar gun on a fully-armed M-1 Abrams, and effectively enforce the school zone speed limit!
One depleted-uranium sabot shell through the grill, and no more speeding for you, jack!
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Hey RRW, how come your picture isn't on that site? BTW (that's "by the way" for some of you who are afflicted with "intellectualism") didn't you get the memo from Iggy that Wikipedia was an unreliable source?
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Yup, that describes you and your left-wing "intellectual" buddies very appropriately! Thanks for sharing that with us!
Wicked burn, Joseph. Wicked burn.
Hey Joe, you are a joke!
At no point in your little troll existence have you contributed anything of substance to any discussion. Your blatantly racist antics are antiquated (look it up) and serve, quite literally, no purpose.
God bless America
Jose,
Did you notice today, some "hybrid" Abrams -- rigged with "long distance" bulldozer blades ripping the ground to a depth of about 14-18 inches are clearing the way into the Taliban's drug operations' stronghold in southern Afghanistan.
Of course, some Neo-Con will scream the 2075-era R&D funds should never have been diverted to immediately providing safer and more effective equipment and weapons for our troops TODAY.
Search out the reports from the crews of those 60-ton-plus mine-clearing behemoths -- and the words of the troops following them safely.
Of course, had the job been finished in Afghanistan back in 2003 and 2004, our guys would not be there now -- and they would never have been in Iraq.
By the way -- REMEMBER that Al Qaeda training camp to the north and east of Kurdish country in Iraq, which supposedly proved Saddaam was in league with Bin Laden?
Met an old boy [In a snowbound airport with him for 36 hours], who spent most of the1985-2005 years in that West Asia/Persian Gulf region.
He couldn't stop laughing about Saddaam's "tame Al Qaeda" training camp.
The REALITY -- that secret Al Qaeda camp was there to train Iraqis in terrorist tactics to use against Saddaam and his regime -- and DubYah and the Draft Dodges knew the truth.
Some CIA types helped pick the location, using our satellite imagery and arranging C-130 drops -- right after Charlie Wilson helped the early Taliban run the Russians out of Afghanistan.
It was just more politically beneficial for Bush/Cheney to claim these were Saddaam's buddies training terrorists.
JOSE AND BOOJUM, ET AL,
Include the names of the most convenient towns and counties. I'll be happy to call for information on volunteers for law enforcement.
With the required training and buying your equipment -- even with credentials, it is not likely you will be carrying any weapon in crowd and traffic control.
And yes, that cuts way down on liability.
I've had a couple of departments where I could volunteer,if I paid about $200 annually for the liability insurance premiums.
But for big time super patriots, that's no big deal.
After all, if a limp-wristed Pinko, Socialist Liberal Progressive finds it worth while to pay the insurance premium to volunteer -- a bunch of real mid-west American Patriots should be overjoyed with the opportunity to show him up.
Fellows, I will admit to one bit of puzzlement--
For people who obviously don't know their benighted posteriors from their elbows, or that proverbial depression in terra firma, you old boys sure do have some expert opinion based upon absolute ignorance of the subject.
Is it possible the idea of manning a road block or check point 50-100 miles from a High Plains prison on a February night just ain't appealing enough??
If the frost bite don't last too long, it will heal.
Wondering70 - I'd like to answer you. I have been fighting off global warming all over the country, and I have been behind in writing! Right now, I am in snowy Florida.
No sir/ma'am! I do not want tax collectors armed. Armed tax collectors is certainly not what the founders had in mind with limited government.
Our government is suppose to work with the consent of the governed. This is how tyranny begins. The Stateist con you (or me) into thinking that some people, (the rich) aren't paying their fair share, and they need weapons to make them do it. The rich in America pay far more than their "fair share".
Let me tell you a small truth. It is one the leftists will decry, because the left produces nothing, and they must confiscate the hard work of others to support them.
Here it is. The rich do not persecute the poor. It is the poor that persecute the rich.
Now, examine history, and you will see that this is true, and I mean real history, not the propaganda taught to our kids today by leftist nut job history teachers, who pervert history to excuse their hate.
If you are not a pagan, perhaps you could read what Christ said about rich and poor.
Thanks for your comments, but let me clear. The IRS having one shotgun, is one shotgun too many.
Wow Sam, we are in Alabama right now, fighting off several inches of global warming too! LOL
We are in agreement with you, the IRS has no business being armed, but, it really doesn't make any difference. The government has become so powerful and greedy. If this corrupt power is not reversed, then another arm of the government will come after us armed, if not the IRS.
Carl, you yell about Sam and his conversations about abortion, then yell "racist" when you get it shoved right back in your face! Talk about a joke and serving no purpose! What a fraud!
Sam, a question without an ounce of hostility here, I want to know your feelings on a flat percentage tax. If everyone paid the same percentage of their income, by which I mean ALL income (capital gains, stock dividends, babysitting for the neighbors, etc...) would you feel that to be a fair system?
One thing I would like to point out, however, is that Eliot Ness was a prohibition agent, which was an offshoot of the treasury department, and he used tax evasion and armed enforcement of said tax evasion to depose a little fella named Al Capone who, as I'm sure we all know, headed one of, if not the, most brutal organized crime gangs to walk.
IRS agents have to be present to serve tax related warrants and if they have to serve drug dealers, mafiosi, and the like then why would you deny them protection?
Lastly, I think saying the left "produces nothing" is a bit bold. I would imagine that the people behind NASA, for example, had a contingent of "intellectuals" working with them to figure out how to leave Earth. Ideas are the infancy of any production, to deny the value of thought and idea is to deny any progress.
God bless America
Joe, it is not the conversations about abortion that I "yell" about. It is the use of the abortion issue as a trump card in any discussion. As for racism, Joey, you wear it like a merit badge. You make everyone else on this board, irrespective (look it up) of their political views, a better person.
And so far as "Look, Sam they saw the gun and paranoia set in." goes, Joey, I am the owner of several firearms and support fully the right of any citizen of proper mental and criminal health to own one. My support for gun control is in limiting the use of fully automatic weapons and high capacity magazines to military and law enforcement personnel, I also see no reason that a 7 day waiting period should not be enforceable.
While I am fairly certain your rebuttal will be more of your famously non-sensical gibberish, I thought I would do you the respect of a proper response. I realize that, from time to time, I am a bit harsh and hasty with my words. That said, I stand fully behind my characterization of you.
Sam, if Joe is representative of those with whom you share views, I feel sorry for you. I may disagree with most everything you say, but you have a vocabulary and contribute much more than cheerleading and bad racist jokes to the board.
God bless America
GearJammer,
That Global Warming Conference in Southeast Asia last year heard a whole bunch of meterologists and climatologists predicting EXTREME WEATHER -- HOT, COLD, DROUGHTS AND FLOODING NONSOONS -- will increase steadily as a result of global warming.
For a while this winter Fairbanks, Alaska had higher temperatures than a bunch of north-south central states.
Every part of the world is seeing extreme weather. Normally warm regions are getting SNOW.
VANCOUVER'S ski slopes were bare until about three weeks ago, then the one big storm came in and saved their bacon. [By the way, our northern neighbors put on a heckuva show last night for the Winter Olympics opening, gave a tremendous amount of recognition to their "aboriginal peoples" from Vancouver to Nova Scotia.
Oh yes, one CDL holder who had a Wisconsin outfit try to pull an "Arrow Job" on him, reports he won his appeal with Wisconsin's Labor Judges.
Said during the telephone conference hearing, the judge sort of went into orbit on the company reps, offered to give them 30 days in the crossbar hotel to reconsider their attitude.
Found for the driver for about $5,000, 20% more than he claimed, then tacked on a handsome penalty.
Are you heading up I-95 or going west along the Gulf to join Nawlins or Biloxi or Mobile Mardi Gras celebrationa?
So Carl,
What kind of firearms do you like?
Chunk, I have a feeling your question was somehow loaded, but I'll bite and give you my answer anyway.
I suppose my choice in firearms is determined by the situation. I will let you in on my collection and why I felt owning each was/is appropriate.
My first gun was an heirloom .410 break action single shot, I had taken to hunting as a young man and my father thought it would be a good way for me to develop marksmanship while hunting small game. Every quail in the county had to fear me for several winters.
Next, at the age of 16, i decided I needed a scoped rifle to better hunt rabbits and squirrels as they are much wilier out in the sticks than what we see in town. I gave my mom my detassling money and my first two after school job paychecks to buy my stainless steel barreled Ruger 10/22, the most accurate and reliable out of the box rimfire rifle. That Ruger is still my favorite gun and, since becoming a "townie", I bought a custom bullpup stock that I keep on it during non hunting season to make it a more suitable home defense weapon.
As I went through high school, I replaced my after school job with setting traps and hunting raccoons in the evenings. Back in the early/mid 90s a kid with a four wheel drive and friendly, raccoon hating farmer neighbors could earn decent money hunting and trapping. I inherited my grandfathers .22 pistol at this point and it was always on hip in the mornings before school when my friend Alan and I would check the traps.
As we established our hunting routines and areas, we noticed a lot of coyotes about, these brought a lot of money with our fur buyer but trying to shoot them with our .22s was inhumane. High caliber rifles were a bit out of my price range as a 17 yr old, so I convinced my parents to let me buy an SKS rifle for coyotes(one hundred dollars at the time for a base ten round capacity chinese model). I have since sold that gun since I no longer hunt coyotes.
Somewhere in there, I inherited a break action single shot 20 gauge from my other grandfather and, after stripping and re bluing and doing some work to the stock and ejector, I found a love for hunting pheasants and for shotguns in general. I plan to make a gift of this gun to my oldest nephew when he is of appropriate age. Not a fancy gun, but I put a lot of sweat and research into restoring it.
Lastly, I moved away from home at nineteen and into an apartment I could afford on my new graduate wages which meant a slightly sketchy neighborhood. I had yet to buy the tactical load out for my 10/22 and, since the SKS ran the risk of penetrating a wall in a defense scenario and my shotguns each had one shell capacity, I felt I should buy a suitable deterrent should anyone try to enter my home with nefarious intent...enter the Mossberg.
I don't know that they still make the defender model, but at the time Mossberg made a 12 gauge with a pistol grip, collapsible stock, vented 18 inch barrel, day glow sight dots, and an 8 round (unplugged, of course) tubular magazine. I used lay away (is that still around?) to pick up that one...in hindsight that one seems like a bit over the top but, nowadays, i plug the mag back down to three rounds and go duck/goose/turkey hunting with it.
All in all, I have been a responsible gun owner for nearly thirty years and absolutely do not disparage the right of anyone deemed fit (legally and mentally) of ownership to have any gun they choose, so long as said gun has a ten round or fewer capacity, minimum 18 inch barrel, and no more than one round can be fired with a single pull of the trigger. Asking for the right for private citizens to have enormous magazines or fully automatic weapons is inappropriate, weapons like these should be in properly trained law enforcement or military hands.
I also do feel that a course on responsible handling of firearms such as hunter education courses or handgun training courses where proficiency must be demonstrated prior to purchase deserve to be discussed but I, hopefully, demonstrate that even us wacky liberals support the 2nd amendment.
This post is running long so I hope I gave you what you needed Chunk. If you have any more questions regarding my opinion on firearms go ahead and ask, I think a lot of us here might actually agree with one another on this one.
God bless America
No loaded question there Carl, just communicating with my fellow firearms enthusiast.
Have a good day!
Chunky,
You sure seem hung up on this gun thing.
I earned my first single shot .22 selling seed packets in 1938.
Had a clip-loaded Savage .22 at 12 and an 18-shot Remington semi-auto at 15.
My army training outfit had two guys without RFD or Star Route addresses, Wyoming to Louisiana, Eastern Arizona to Arkansas.
All the other 195 recruits were country boys.
FIFTH ARMY HQS. ordered us back to the range with the M-1 Garand four times, because they did not believe all but a handful of the 197 recruits fired Expert or Sharpshooter.
Each time we were required to refire the range, scores improved.
Last trip on a Sunday morning, they put officers from the "separation center" pulling targets and scoring.
After heading for college, my rifles stayed on the ranch. Over time I bought my father a .44 magnum revolver and a .30 caliber lever action rifle, when he was having problems with a new neighbor (Who had been unhappy with me in High School) plus picked up a Browning auto-load 12 for him which had been impounded from goose hunters in Utah. I won that auction at 10% of retail.
The only guns I have fired, carried and used since Army days have been as a volunteer cop or deputy, and a .410 Stevens pump I carried in pieces on the road for 12 years. [Could pull the pieces out from their separate hiding places, assemble and be ready to fire in about 15-20 seconds at 60 mph.]
One thing I haven't seen discussed on this thread is the fact that the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) is the 'law enforcement' arm of the IRS. Why would an IRS agent NEED a weapon when they have an entirely adequate division of law enforcement already contracted to conduct their police-keeping operations?
An analogy would be arming Paramedics when going on a call, when they have law-enforcement.
Because the liberals are going to have to tax weapons given their penchant for "spending" our way out of debt. The liberals are going to have to tax almost everything actually given the massive debt they seem to enjoy. I would not want to be an IRS agent going into a home to inventory weapons for tax purposes without a weapon myself. The liberals won't be happy until a gestapo like force is out collecting deeply from all of the earners.
But that pre-supposes that unhappy taxpayers who own firearms are prone to killing (heck let's just say 'shooting at') IRS agents when we know that certainly isn't true.
If the libs really wanted to reign in debt...they would first: Stop spending.
Ain't gonna happen.
Second: Cut taxes across the board.
They won't, but not because they want lower debt...it's because they want more power. Taking money out of the hands of those who rightfully earned it grants them that power, with a little fuel for the ego for icing.
I think they need to take the academic approach to this. Have a blue ribbon panel hold a conference; omitting any experts on taxes, guns, or the Constitution; form a consensus that American people...bad - Government...good; REALLY study the results say, for at least two years; and then come back and blame Bush or the Republicans in congress for being obstructionist.
"They won't, but not because they want lower debt...it's because they want more power."
This is unequivocally your lamest argument I have read Mickel. Libs are not anymore power hungry than any other political party. We just want our government to spend its money on making on country better for all its citizens.
"We just want our government to spend its money on making on country better for all its citizens."
GI it is our money, in the form of taxes, that funds the goverment. It is not "its" money.
I think Obama is begining to relize that a majority of people in this country do not support his spending programs and want is to stop.
I am willing to pay my fair share, however I am tired of my share being wasted.
GI - Far from lame. I believe it to be 100% accurate.
If I'm wrong, name one reason why the current administration is doing nothing to create jobs in the small business sector of this country; and in fact are posing confiscatory and punitive taxes to be foisted upon it.
I'll wait.
You won't wait long....
Do you mean what is Obama doing besides all of this?
Let's examine his proposals:
$30 billion of federal bailout funds redirected to community banks to lend to small business. Yesterday in Nashua, President Obama unveiled his proposal to redirect $30 billion of Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) funds to create a new Small Business Lending Fund for community banks. To do this, the White House has said, would require an act of Congress to change current law.
On Capitol Hill yesterday, White House Budget Director Peter Orszag met with severe criticism from Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), who accused the administration of viewing TARP as a "piggy bank" and using it for political purposes.
Certainly access to credit is the lifeblood of small business and has been sorely lacking. If we are to direct funds to community banks, we must not make the same mistake twice. Federal funds must come with mandatory loan distribution requirements to ensure that banks actually lend.
Better yet, Obama should channel capital to small businesses through the Small Business Administration directly. Pending legislation introduced by Sen. Benjamin L. Cardin, D- Maryland, proposes funneling bailout funds through the SBA itself. The infrastructure is in place and such a process would be quicker and more efficient.
At a minimum, Obama needs to empower the SBA with funding for consistent loan guarantees. As part of the Recovery Act, the SBA raised guarantees from 75 to 90 percent and eliminated fees, making it more attractive for banks to lend. This was helpful, but inconsistent funding left 1,069 small businesses on a waiting list in late 2009. Subsequent funding was extended, but this on-again, off-again fluctuation makes it impossible for small businesses to plan, and in some cases, survive.
Tax credits for new hires and wage increases. The goal of this program is to encourage on-the-fence businesses to take the plunge and hire new workers. While tax credits rarely provide the reason to add new staff, for businesses anticipating growth, this nudge can catalyze hiring.
As part of Obama's $33 billion tax credit proposal, employers would get a $5,000 tax credit for every net new worker hired in 2010 and reimbursement for Social Security taxes paid when they increase wages. By limiting the maximum credit to $500,000 per company, the intention is to focus on small companies, though all businesses would be eligible.
Elimination of capital-gains tax on investments in small business. This is a winning proposal. For small companies seeking investment, a zero-rate capital gains tax will attract private investors who together with friends and family provide essential funding for small business start-ups. Such incentives will reward entrepreneurs who take start-up risks, and create a more level playing field for worldwide investors, as many other countries do not tax capital gains.
Tax incentives for investment in new facilities and equipment. Allowing companies to write off, instead of depreciate, new equipment helps businesses buy things they were already planning to buy. Encouraging businesses to ramp up sooner accelerates job creation.
In addition, Obama's State of the Union pledge to double U.S. export growth over the next five years bolsters small and big businesses alike. Real growth comes from our links with the rest of the world, and the passage of stalled trade agreements with South Korea, Panama and Colombia would open those countries' markets to U.S. goods. Promotion of free trade and the creation of a national export initiative would boost not only traditional exports, but also spark an uptick in exports of new services such as marketing or accounting services.
One thing missing that would help stimulate jobs is immigration reform. Over the last decade and a half, fully one-quarter of all technology firms founded in the United States were started by immigrants; eBay, Google and Yahoo to name a few. Changing the provisions of the EB-5 visa or "entrepreneur's visa" to favor those who plan to start companies and extending their visas as they hire U.S. workers would spark job creation. Simply put, the United States needs global talent to help create jobs at home.
Given the turbulence of the last 18 months, many small businesses remain cautious about hiring, and policy uncertainty is not helping. Health care reform, energy policy, tax policy and financial regulatory reform are all outstanding questions with significant implications for the cost of labor. Clarity on some of these issues will help businesses make hiring commitments.
As Obama juggles the need to boost employment without adding significantly to our nation's debt, he is wise to focus on entrepreneurs. What he must remember is that small is big. To get our country back up on its feet, we must help small business get back to work.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/02/02/wi...
"GI it is our money, in the form of taxes, that funds the goverment. It is not "its" money."
I disagree Boojum. The implicit agreement of being part of the American society and calling yourself an American citizen is that you agree to support the integrity of our country. This is achieved only through taxes.
You are provided a governmental system or structure within which you can live and support yourself and your family. This structure needs to be able to protect both you and itself, and by being a part of this system (read: a citizen) you are agreeing to pay to use it. Thus, a portion of what you earn belongs to the structure. Or put another way, the support you provide the structure the structure then uses to support you.
We the people are the government to be run by our elected representatives using the money we pay in taxes.
Too many of our representatives seem to have lost track of this relationship.
Well that would be ideal wouldn't Boojum. Sadly, since the first tobacco tycoon lobbied successfully to change the language in the Constitution regarding slaves and how to count them in the population, this country has not lived up to the idea that "we the (common) people" are in charge.
BooJum,
How is it that after 28 out of 40 years with Republicans in the White House?
With the last two Republican presidents, both happened to be BUSHES -- the national debt had more than QUADRUPLED.
We ended up with millions of foreclosures, hundreds of thousands of farm, mine,timber, residential, business and oil patch foreclosure and bankruptcy auctions.
S&L collapse thanks to Reagan/Bush, total banking collapse DubYah -- that's DDD for short.
PLUS, NONSTOP WARS FROM Panama, Grenada, Somalia to Iraq.
While the necessary war to stop Al Qaeda and their Taliban sponsors and allies, was shorted.
While with the 1990's Democratic president, the national debt was reduced, annual deficits were reduced.
Terrible Al Gore had supervised cutting of tens of thousands of unneeded workers from the federal payroll -- and oversaw elimination of hundreds of thousands of unneeded and redundant pages from federal regulations.
Gee what happened to the Liberals studying things to death with no action.
FOR DADGUM CERTAIN, there was no study or honest research into the Al Qaeda/Taliban/Saddaam equation, before Dubyah and the Draft Dodgers hurried away from putting an end to the first two and wasted seven years and TRILLIONS on Iraq.
But there was logic in that decision from their political, personal profit motive viewpoint.
There was no way to hand over the major Iraqi oil reserves and several Trillion dollars to Cheney's old crew at Halliburton and KBR -- fighting in Afghanistan.
How was it a President and Vice President from the oil patches of Texas and Wyoming decided to reward the Veep's buddies with a package worth TRILLIONS?
While putting the finishing touches on quadrupling the national debt in league with Poppa Bush.
Mickel,
" ...current administration is doing nothing to create jobs in the small business sector of this country; and in fact are posing confiscatory and punitive taxes to be foisted upon it. I'll wait.
-- Posted by Mickel on Wed, Feb 17,
Mickel, you can not possibly be that uninformed.
The present administration's small business programs are well known.
It is also well known that the SOLID REPUBLICAN BLOCK is fighting those changes, because they do not not provide pork for big business, banks and insurance companies. Some of those brilliant minds have made those statements.
You and your buddies are pathetic. Democrats foment racial hatred.
Republicans are the true friends of them black folks and civil rights --
... you dark complected folks just misunderstood our 100% block NO votes to every Civil Rights bill.
You misunderstood the GOP welcoming the Racist DixieDrats into our party, after LBJ signed the first Civil Rights bill and the racist DixieCrats bolted the national Democratic Party.
Might mention, it helped make up GOP leadership's minds when those nice southern racists brought their state party's bank balances with them.
In a couple of instances, actually carried into GOP national headquarters in big suitcases.
Now that's honor and integrity, GOP racist style.
Hank, the president is only one man, he has to have the support of the house of representative and the senate.
This is why Obama is having so much trouble, he doesn't have that support. Bush didn't decide all the the things you atribute to him. Clinton din't, bush senior didn't.
The simple fact is Bush is gone. Now Obama is going to have to step up and garner the support of the house and senate to get counry back on track and the is NO evidence he is going to be able to do it. He is losing.
"The present administration's small business programs are well known" What a crock, What is well known is Obamas absolute ignorance about business.
See Ya Hank, keep the pointy end down range
(did you ever beat that dispatcher?)
Hank - you talk a lot, but say little. Exactly which programs initiated by the Obama administration have fostered small business growth?
Cite your source please.
For your information - it matters NOT what the Rep party objected or obstructed, as they had NOT the power to stop the Dem super majority. If you have a lament about the ineffectiveness of the current administration and the Dem ruled congress...look to your own party. I hope you can understand all that, because the lib pitty-party about the impotence of their super-majority is getting super-old.
GI - "Examine his proposals?" Since when are proposals results? Did you even read what you posted, or was it simply cut and pasted?
"On Capitol Hill yesterday, White House Budget Director Peter Orszag met with severe criticism from Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), who accused the administration of viewing TARP as a "piggy bank" and using it for political purposes."
How is this a glowing endorsement of the Obama administration? The language in TARP was clear that the money was to pay down the deficit and not to be redirected as a stimulus 1.5 program. Why isn't Hank decrying THIS abuse of gov't?
Obama's proposal for a $5,000 tax credit for small business new hiring is not much of an incentive. Considering hiring and training costs alone, $5000 is a drop in the bucket especially considering that costs for employee health care, especially gov't mandated health care, are still undecided. The tax credit, like the "Cash for Clunkers" monies will be eligible for taxation. How exactly is that an incentive to hire?
Your post itself recognizes this: "Health care reform, energy policy, tax policy and financial regulatory reform are all outstanding questions with significant implications for the cost of labor. Clarity on some of these issues will help businesses make hiring commitments."
And finally, the proposal for a zero capital gains tax on business investment is a great proposal, but I can practically guarentee you aren't going to see it get off the drawing board in Obama's term.
All in all, I guess I'm still waiting for what Obama has ACCOMPLISHED and not proposed.
Read the article again Mickel, and this time take your blinders of...I'll highlight a couple things:
"Elimination of capital-gains tax on investments in small business. This is a winning proposal. For small companies seeking investment, a zero-rate capital gains tax will attract private investors who together with friends and family provide essential funding for small business start-ups. Such incentives will reward entrepreneurs who take start-up risks, and create a more level playing field for worldwide investors, as many other countries do not tax capital gains.
In addition, Obama's State of the Union pledge to double U.S. export growth over the next five years bolsters small and big businesses alike. Real growth comes from our links with the rest of the world, and the passage of stalled trade agreements with South Korea, Panama and Colombia would open those countries' markets to U.S. goods. Promotion of free trade and the creation of a national export initiative would boost not only traditional exports, but also spark an uptick in exports of new services such as marketing or accounting services."
I didn't include the article because it was "a glowing endorsement," I included it because it is cogent and honest. It is both critical and laudatory. If YOU were being cogent or honest, you would recognize that Obama is NOT an enemy of small business...and rather is doing everything he can to embolden this crucial component of our economy. Liberalism FAVORS small businesses over corporations and companies in every case; so do socialists (and there is difference in case you are one of the dung beetles that conflate the two.)
Living in socialist Spain (and no, I am not suggesting that America should be socialist), I know the government makes large companies close on Sunday mornings so that small business owners can go to Church and worship and still be competitive. Whether you agree with the policy or not, you cannot deny that the idea is to bolster the small business owner; to help it thrive.
And as far as what Obama has accomplished, why don't we wait longer than a year before we start answering that question, again, for the sake of honesty .
Proposals equals action. In what universe? Obama's proposals and pledges won't employ the millions of Americans who need jobs. I've asked you what he has done...not what he's talked about.
What's more...Obama has a terrible track record with living up to his promises and pledges: 8% unemployment cap, transparency, tax cuts, the closing of Gitmo, etc.
I'm not wearing blinders, GI. I'm walking the walk. Along with my current three enterprises that I am active I have owned three other small businesses. I've put more people to work through my small businesses than all the pledges and proposals of the Obama administration.
As far as evaluating the President, why wait? Wasn't there this recent fawning by the media and the Obama administration about the so-called effectiveness of the Stimulus? Far be it from me to stay mum on Obamas performance when he himself is so vocal.
No - there has been ample time for a policy to move from a proposal to a course of action. I just don't believe he is really interested.
" Whether you agree with the policy or not, you cannot deny that the idea is to bolster the small business owner; to help it thrive. " You're correct...I can't deny it...however, you cannot deny that so far these are pledges and not policy.
Mickel,
A) I am pretty sure that propose is a verb (an action)...and you know as well as I do that any action regarding legislation must first begin with a proposal.
B) Regardless of actions or proposals for action, your characterization of Obama and his admin as somehow irreverent or uninterested in small business is totally erroneous and dishonest.
C) Why wait? Because all you can do is speculate at this point. And that's fine, but you have no idea how anything Obama has done in the last year will affect us three years from now, all you have are guesses, guesses colored by the GOP and their amazing effort to undermine everything Obama does (even the things they agree with behind closed doors).
D) Certainly there is evidence that the stimulus is working as predicted. But you have resigned yourself to your conclusion about Obama's policies without any evidence of their effectiveness; so no amount of reason or facts are likely to shake you from your ideological death grip on irrationality.
You asked me to "name one reason why the current administration is doing nothing to create jobs in the small business sector of this country."
On the contrary, Obama is working tirelessly to create jobs and in the small business sector. That is clear.
Sorry GI - I just don't buy your scenario, as sincere as I sense it to be.
If McCain was in office right now, and we were seeing identical un-raveling policies and impotent action disguised as 'proposals'; I suspect that there would be a cacophonous howl from you and other libs on this board...and rightly so.
You keep up your optimism, however....as it is the only thing you'll have in the days to come. Obama is going to fail huge...and that doesn't make me smile or bring me comfort. Quite frankly it is both un-nerving and very sad.
That is a rather bold prediction. But you keep up your negativism however, as it is the only thing you will have in the days to come, and it will only make watching you eat crow that much more delightful.
Boo,
Apart from any income from elected office, Pres.Elect and Mrs. Obama were comfortably in the multi-millionaire range.
They did it on their own, even paying off their federal student loans three years before he ran for office.
How have you done lately?
All the president had to do during his first 12 months was straighten out two totally mis-managed Bush/Cheney wars, pull the nation out of near-total economic collapse, encourage Congress to develop effective Health Care Reform and face a lock-step 100% obstructionist Republican Party.
No one expects all or even a majority of elected GOP types to vote with a Democratic President or the Democratic majority in both houses.
100% opposition -- Often directly counter to individual members' public statements for the past 20 years. THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
Somehow the BlockHeads feel the Democrats should also vote in an unyielding monolithic formation.
That's not the Democratic way and it sure is not the American way.
Each representative and senator was elected to vote the needs of district and state citizens and vote their own thinking.
They are not elected to take orders from some doctrinaire leadership.
Have you noticed the new "revolutionary" from Massachusetts, Representative Brown voted with the Democrats to move the jobs bill forward.
The Democrats are moving to pass a jobs bill.
The Republicans are opposed to people having jobs.
The President appoints that flaming liberal, former GOP Senator Allan Simpson of Wyoming and the effective reform President of the Univ. of North Carolina -- multi-campus and multi-university system, Erskine Bowles to head the commission to reduce federal spending, deficits and debt.
Bowles and Simpson were both involved in creating the last balanced budget, the last reduction in debt and an effective program to have this nation debt free THIS YEAR.
The Republicans could not wait to vote Three Trillion to bail out banks, AIG and the auto makers when DDD requested that spending.
Now they oppose using $30-Billion of the repaid bank bail-out money to fund small banks for small business loans.
By the way, those small business loans were a clearly defined purpose of the original bailouts when the bankers went begging to congress.
Bush/Cheney/Paulson "just forgot" to include that condition in the writing. So the welfare bankers voted themselves BILLIONS in bonuses as a reward for bankrupting their banks.
Then more BILLIONS were invested in risky overseas ventures, instead of being loaned to the small businesses who underwrote the bailout.
Strange, not one conservative expert has been able to identify a single Democrat among those bankers.
Remember -- more than $1-BILLION for the Merrill-Lynch managers who bankrupted that firm.
I keep hearing from sources in New York that another bank received $13-BILLION in bailout funds and the officers of said bank voted $13-BILLION in bonuses for themselves.
Can't confirm that report yet, but have to admit the people who reported it have always been accurate.
Ya-w-w-w-n-n-n. Another 'blame Bush' bedtime story. Makes me drowsy just scrolling through it.
Yet again...another liberal cannot bear to pin accountability for what's happening now to the current president or his clearly socialist leaning administration...we must blame somebody who is OUT of power; or have some other reason (such as proposals - which have as much value as monopoly money) why this president let a super-majority opportunity slip through his incompetent fingers.
Night, night.
Ya-w-w-w-n-n-n. Another 'blame Bush' bedtime story. Makes me drowsy just scrolling through it.
Yet again...another liberal cannot bear to pin accountability for what's happening now to the current president or his clearly socialist leaning administration...we must blame somebody who is OUT of power; or have some other reason (such as proposals - which have as much value as monopoly money) why this president let a super-majority opportunity slip through his incompetent fingers.
Night, night.
You know what's really exhausting? Cons lying to themselves and the rest of country to score cheap political points.
The fact is, Mickel, the economy is stronger now than it was when Bush left office. No thanks to the right wing either.
You know what's really exhausting? Libs lying to themselves and the rest of country to score cheap political points.
The fact is, GI, the economy is worse now than it was when Carter was in office. No thanks to the right wing either.
What I am I supposed to learn from your post Mickel, other than your already well known ability to parrot others with knowledge?
GI - I think you have learned by now that I have the ability to not only present an original argument, but to defend it.
My response to Hank is from weariness that is akin to your own, on having to defend against what is essentially a non-sensical rant. Hank has a habit of posting preposterous liturgies without any corroboration or citation. On another thread, he talks about 'sex trading' without any citation; and I have attempted to encourage him to posit said evidence, or to make a retraction. We'll see how that plays out.
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples littered throughout the blog of assertions made without substance. My 'parroting' of your statement is a demonstration that your statement could be made from either side of the aisle.
That being said...I should have included in my post that there is no proof that the economy is stronger now than it was when the Presidential office was vacated by Bush. On the contrary, there is strong evidence that the economy is far worse. I'll post these in a moment. Furthermore, I said what I said NOT to make political points, but to illustrate a classic liberal shield...blame the other guy. Obama has a propensity of this and even pre-empts speeches and statements with this diatribe. This is now the equivalent of a tired tirade on his part, and smacks of immaturity.
You have not demonstrated that Obama has made forward progress in the area of small business job growth...and with good reason...there is none. Proposals won't feed families and rebound the economy. I cannot overstate this. And Obama has not demonstrated that he can be an effective leader despite holding a congressional super-majority for almost his entire first year in office. The blame game is old, and unwarranted. Obama owns credit for our current situation. No thanks to the right wing either. (an apt political credo)
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2398...
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2...
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Consumer-c...
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fdic-nu...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...
Wrong again Mickel,
The best-known economic research firms (IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers, and Moody's Economy.com) all put the number of jobs the stimulus has added to the economy somewhere between 1.06 million to 1.8 million with the apex impact in the neighborhood of 2.5 million jobs.
Regardless of the more generous speculations coming from Dems on the hill, and particularly, the White House, the BEST KNOWN sources for economic indicators and analysis report that jobs are in fact being created and will continue to be created.
Now, let's forget about the stock market for a moment (see the insane market decline under Bush culminating in near complete collapse in late 2008/early 2009 and compare it to the market now), Bush, Inc managed to create 3 million jobs in 8 YEARS! Obama by even the stingiest estimates has already created almost half that in ONE.
http://money.cnn.com/quote/chart/chart.h...
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/0...
"You have not demonstrated that Obama has made forward progress in the area of small business job growth..."
You said he wasn't interested in small business growth. I shattered that weak garble almost as quickly as your uninformed post went up. Then you did what any one with a defeated argument would do, you started changing the parameters of original statement. Which is fine, but at least concede that you were wrong about him being disinterested in small businesses.
I have, time and again, demonstrated that Obama has made very good headway for having been in office one yearish especially in helping the economy to recover after Bush quite obviously ran the thing straight into the ground. Your obstinacy and denial of this fact doesn't change the reality, sorry.
Gilly, the swelling in your head is really starting to show. There is no denying this fact.
The problem little hank is that people like you who are so easily outmaneuvered intellectually fill me with a false sense of myself. But thank the heavens that in the halls of academia intellectual challenges abound--cause around here it's like fish in a barrel.
Well, it seems I was wrong about mini-hank being Joe Buck I'll admit it.
But they are both idiotic trolls. There is no denying this fact.
With 2 of them going on, derailing every thread until it's down to crickets chirping I have lost interest in these blogs. Aint no place for a black man to be anyways. There is no denying this fact.
Guillermo makes some of you conservatives look like monkeys. There is no denying this fact.
Sad to see such a vibrant blog community get hijacked by trolls.
"Ain't no place for a black man" and "look like monkeys" sounds like some racist baiting to me. Sounds like the REEEEverand Jesse Jackson to me. And yes you were wrong and will continue to be while you spew racist garbage and liberalism, which more than often go hand in hand.
What in God's name are you talking about lil' hank?
Interesting...these touted economic agencies with which you hold in such high regard trumpet (as well as you do) up to 2.5 million jobs created in a year by Obama...
How is it that the unemployment numbers keep growing, in spite of this wonderful job creation?
How is it that the only real GDP growth lies in the government sector?
Could it be possible the two intersect?
I give you the venerable Thomas Sowell. http://article.nationalreview.com/417236...
Oh - and here is an article about job growth that is NOT over a year old. http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/25/news/eco...
GI - You and your kinsman Obama know shockingly little about how to stimulate job growth. If what you say about jobs created were actually true...you wouldn't need to post a link to it. It would be common knowledge.
Once again, so you can understand it...(because quite frankly, your thick headed routine is pretty old...I mean, how much in denial can you be?)
Ideas don't put food on the table. Proposals don't build things. Sincere, good intentions don't pay mortgages. You can't seem to get over this simple little concept. Perhaps your overstimulated intellect keeps getting in the way.
I blew your feeble "proposals is a verb which equals action" statement out of the arena. Don't try to bring it back now. You attempted to prove the presidents concern via his proposals. I laughed out loud when I read that. But it quickly turned to sadness, as I realized that you and the president really do believe your own nattering shoulder egos when they whisper that the sincerity of your beliefs actually have value and substance over actual results.
"How is it that the unemployment numbers keep growing, in spite of this wonderful job creation?"
They aren't growing. They are down from 10% to 9.7% I'll chalk that one up to ignorance rather than lying or blatant stupidity--benefit of the doubt and all (but stop making this so easy).
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOu...
"You and your kinsman Obama know shockingly little about how to stimulate job growth."
Take a look at job growth under Dems vs Rep presidents historically. You will find some surprising facts but you are too stubborn and brainwashed to believe them.
Ignorance belongs to you GI - 10% to 9.7%?? Ooooo - seriously your credibility is swooning.
Do you seriously reconcile a .3% unemployment rating drop with a 2.5 million job creation report?
Seriously - I've got some lead that I'd just love to have you touch so it can turn into gold; judging what you just did with that cowpie your fingers were in. Talk about making it easy.
Once again, your feebleness is overexposed. How does a reference to the performance of past presidents shore up yours or Obamas knowledge of stimulating job growth?
Short answer - it doesn't.
If we were playing golf I'd give you a mulligan...but c'mon already.
This just in...the unemployment rate NOT seasonally adjusted is actually at 10.6%
I'm very sad to say it just keeps getting worse.
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usun...
Is your world really so twisted, Mickel? Do you have to screw your pants on? 2.5 million is the apex figure; the totals that have been reported (as per my post) are 1.06-1.8 million new jobs. It's verifiable--3 credible sources all lined up like beacons of truth in your haze of drunken zealotry.
"Unemployment Drops to 9.7% for January 2010. The national unemployment rate decreased to 9.7% for January 2010, down from 10.0 in December, 2009."
http://www.ncsl.org/?tabid=13307
And by the way Mickel, you are right the numbers in your GOOGLE GRAPH as stated by the graph "are NOT seasonally adjusted." Do you know what adjusting for seasonality even means?
"Adjusting for the seasonality in data means more accurate relative comparisons can be drawn from month to month all year."
http://www.investors.com/Education/Finan...
I point to the phrase "more accurate relative comparisons. The 9.7 is the SEASONALLY ADJUSTED RATE. Which, by definition, is the more accurate number.
Wait til the artificially deflated unemployment numbers skyrocket after the census and the real fun will begin.
Actually Backasswards Hank,
Some intelligent life forms can hardly wait until over inflated Neo-Cons are deflated.
Sadly, my vet advises that application of a trochar up the rear, or into the source of Neo-Con gasous expulsions -- aka flatulence -- would probably damage the stainless steel of that saddle bag surgical tool.
Just consider all that sulphur released into the atmosphere. Poor people of Omaha, Des Moines and possibly Chicago, forced to wear Gas Masks.
Hank tooted!!!!!
Excuse you, Hank!
Uh oh Mickel, I think that crow might be cooked and served sooner that you think.
"The pace of U.S. job cuts slowed last month to the lowest level in 3 1/2 years, according to a report released Wednesday.
Outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas Inc. said that 42,090 job cuts were announced in February, 41% less than January's 71,482 cuts. It was the lowest total since July 2006, when 37,178 cuts were announced.
Since peaking in January of last year, monthly job cuts have steadily declined, with only a couple of exceptions, Challenger said. February's total is 77% lower than the year-ago period.
"Most economists agree that a recovery is well underway; a position that appears to be supported by declining job-cut activity," John Challenger, chief executive officer of Challenger, Gray & Christmas, said in a statement. "It may be a couple of more months before hiring begins to surge, but it is clear that employers have shifted away from downsizing and are poised to start adding workers."
http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/03/news/eco...
Any perceived recovery will be crushed by the effects of spending, printing, borrowing, and acting like there is nothing wrong with it. We are a flat broke nation and we are going to pay the piper sooner or later. The democrat party is trying to run this country into the ground so that government can save us all and dominate our future.
I have a weird feeling that if (when) there is remarkable recovery, there will be a lot of bored depressed Con-Bots, with no more doom and gloom to roll around in. Especially if we ever achieve any kind of lasting war-less period. Gosh, it will be so awful to have nothing to preach panic and impending destruction for all about!
What purpose then, would there be in this massive fleet of Con-Bots if we ran out of things to dread?
Take heart though. Even if there is a full recovery we will still face the terrorist threat, from jihadi forces that got a nice shot in the arm from our recent warring, and from tea party Con-Bots gone militant right here in our own backyard.
Again loud, were the attacks on the trade centers before the wars in the middle east. I thought so.
"The democrat party is trying to run this country into the ground so that government can save us all and dominate our future."
Yes lil' hank I know. The right of the right wing world who barely inhabit this planet, let alone country, have been chanting your little mantra since the 30's. I am sure it means a lot to you, and you have convinced yourself of its "truthiness." Those of us who have been living in reality understand the ridiculousness and counterproductivity of "the sky is falling" arguments. If you would like to join those of us living truthful existences, I am certain you would be welcome.
You live in acedemia and that is as far from reality as you can get.
You already lost that argument lil' hank.
The sky isn't falling Gilly, my kids future is. The only argument I've ever lost on this board is with the censors and the whiners who tattle.
"The sky isn't falling Gilly, my kids future is."
The future is looking much brighter for your kids than it has in 8 years, I can tell you that much.
"Scientific academia has lots of merits, I will agree."
That was you conceding to me that academics are important (a reality).
"Getting a PHD in some liberal arts major isn't living in the real world."
That was also you making a lame argument. In response I brought up the philosophy of Adam Smith (educated in liberal art-moral philosophy-in Glasgow and Oxford), upon which the ENTIRE AMERICAN ECONOMIC IDEA is based, i.e., capitalism. You of course lost that argument too, by default, because you had no counter-argument.
There are two examples of you losing arguments...and one more shining example of a Con who has decided NOT to live in reality.
I admit I was wrong. I repeatedly lose the battle of loquaciousness to Hank.
If a liberal screamed in space...would he still be arrogant?
I don't know where this sudden influx of new libbies came from...but I suspect they may be cronies of one Mr. Hendricks. No other reason to say it other than a hunch. Notice how I never visit his blog...reminds me of tinfoil on a tooth filling...just too much hair raising going on.
GI - don't be so eager to eat your crow so soon. Your 'optimistic' numbers don't jibe with reality. (Reality being Obama's negligence in ANY sort of positive building in any area of his policies)
Also - being that your source is CNN...I am a bit dubious, as it's really hard to tell where CNN begins and Obama ends.
Mickel, CNN is probably the least biased news source available. And I don't have "optimistic numbers," I am simple alerting you to a reality that you are quite obviously not aware of...one that doesn't involve the end of the universe every time Obama opens his mouth. It is an honest reality, one in which people voice their concerns without fear-mongering and hypothesizing the conclusion of life on Earth because their silly political PoV isn't the one represented in Washington.
It is not fear mongering. WE ARE BROKE!!!! AND WERE SPENDING LIKE WE ARE THE RICHEST NATION IN THE WORLD!!!!!
GI - CNN = unbiased as Hugh Hefner = virgin.
When have I ever advocated the end of the universe, for any reason? GI - I think you know me well enough to discern that I am not a knee-jerk poster, or a non-thinking echo...give me a little credit, please.
My concern is that you have been blinded by the whitewash job on the Big BO's abilities, credentials, and actual accomplishments. I still have yet to see one policy implemented by his admin that would turn the country around. I believe you can account for the 'percentages' you tout by good ol' rugged American individualism. That is, the American people taking a lemon and making lemonade. If what you suggest is true (effective policies and solid turnaround) then I would venture the numbers would be a trifle more than a statistical flatline change.
And I do have representatives in Washington...and I am proud of them.
lil' Hank, our GDP is booming around $14 trillion, we are hardly broke. It might do you some good to try and understand economic theory and how it applies to a nation of our size and wealth before you supply us with your parsimonious assessments.
Mickel,
First, I didn't say "unbiased," I said "least biased," which I stand by. There are plenty of Obama critics on CNN as well as supporters. The same cannot be said for other organizations like Fox News or MSNBC.
Also, the thought that Obama has done "nothing positive" is as ridiculous and untrue as the thought that the world is going to end/America is going to be socialist etc. I know you are not a knee-jerk poster, but likewise I know that you are prone to overstatements and exaggerations. The fact that you haven't seen one policy of his that would turn this country around, and the fact that the country is, as we speak, turning around makes your position highly suspect. I argue that you are the one blinded by the white wash job INTENTIONALLY it turns out according to latest reports, by the right wing to undermine Obama. I have, time and again, shown you a picture of a different reality in America, one that doesn't jibe with your perspective, and every time you outright refuse to acknowledge that things are not as bad as the right wing wants you to believe. Are things bad, yes. Could Obama be doing better/more? Of course. Is he doing nothing, or is everything he doing failing...don't be foolish.
This reminds me of the pre Civil War crisis known as Bleeding Kansas. Does anyone know who the Border Ruffians were? They were also called Bushwackers. They remind me a lot of today's Tea Party and people of that mindset.
Change was in the air as abolitionism was gaining ground and the slaveholding South was having a crisis of interests. Basically there was a grassroots group, that enjoyed an unspoken support from the formal South, that could not handle the changes that were happening in the world. Increasingly, more and more people in the civilized world began to desire abolition. As the country gained new territory, lawmakers fought furiously about the legality of slavery in the new states. The story goes on, but
My point is, these Border Ruffians proudly fought for the corrupt, fat cat, slave whipping Southern interests but none of them EVER had a slave! Most were very poor. THEY HAD NO ACTUAL INTERESTS in fighting for the cause. But they were made to believe that they did.
I think the Border Ruffians in 1850's Kansas and Missouri were the original Con-Bot.
Our GDP ain't squat against the coming Social Security upsidedownedness, broke medicare and medicaid, broke ppost office, broke amtrack, and coming soon...broken government mandated health care. GDP won't be a flicker of leght in the coming darkness of debt. You keep telling yourself everything will be alright though.
And how about you Con-Bots sit calmly at the computer typing as loud as you can that EVERYTHING is going to be DESTROYED!
If we are having such a catastrophe, why don't you get up and go do something about it? Like the Border Ruffians?
I'm on the border now doing surveillance and posting with my blackberry.
SAw Hank and Gilly assisting several across the border.
Hank had a hell of a time getting his jazzy chair up the other side of the river but gilly was there to assist.
Mini-mike has another bunch over a mile or two east of my location. His dad is holding his hand as this is his first foray into leading illegal border crossings. He cries a lot but daddy is there to comfort him.
Loud is waiting in the uhaul until they all get there. He is listening to NPR while he waits. He is also taking care of Hanks poster of that palin girls boyfriend. He stares at it a lot.
Here comes Holder now handing all the aliens health insurance cards and welfare office addresses. He is telling them now not to worry about our national debt as future generations will pick up the tab.
Several of them say gracious at this gesture. A couple even said allahu akbar.
This border patrol is good stuff.
And while you were busy hammering out what amounts to the dumbest post in Gazette history, and consequently neglecting your assigned task, a handful of evil doers sneaked across the border on your watch...if America is attacked again I am blaming you, lil' hank and will petition for your prosecution on the charges of dereliction of duty. May God have mercy on your soul.
I thought you didn't believe in God. Or do you, Iggy?
I just do surveillance, not apprehension, so no dereliction here gilly. Hows come Hank gets to pound away 30 times longer and twice as inane and his posts aren't the dumbest in Gazette history?
Chunk,
Like any discerning person, I believe the origin of the universe is a mystery, so I am open to all sorts of philosophical arguments. I know, for sure, that the Bible and the Christian interpretation of God fails miserably as the end-all-be-all tome/argument of existence. Sorry.
lil' hank,
Because Big Hank is not dumb...he (like those of us with the capacity for thinking and logic) errs on the side of reason.
Backassward Henri,
While you are pulling vigilante border action, you should drop down south of Gila Bend, AZ and work the reservation desert to the east of the highway to Mexico.
Fair warning, the tribal members who are in Border Patrol uniforms take a real dim view of outsiders screwing up their operations.
There is a little problem with the coyotes carrying assault rifles.
But, hey you are too much of a patriot to let a little thing like that worry you.
Hey Backassward Henri,
Which border region are you interdicting?
There's a rather interesting region south of Terlinga, Texas where the entertainment quotient is a little skimpy.
Amateurs are good for comic relief down there.
Back in the 60s, about one hundred miles from Mexico in a desert town, police reservists and auxiliary deputies manned a stakeout in an abandoned service station waiting for a high-stakes poker game to return to the back room of a bar.
After nearly two weeks, expensive cars started dropping men off and then heading back out of town.
About three hours later, the game got raided.
A metal detector zeroed in on a sizable steel strong box within a corner beehive oven.
Slightly more than $250,000.
Most interesting find however -- 5,000 counterfeit "Green Cards" most still in plastic wrap, inside brown kraft paper wrappings, well taped.
Even more interesting, fingerprints on that plastic wrap belonged to a major Republican politician. Took a month to get the report, but the arrest stuck.
5,000 Green Cards -- Counterfeit, but looked as good as those from the Government Printing Office.
Hope you boys catch 10 or 12 illegals out there.
Even the groups of 30-to-40 walking 100 miles across the desert are a drop in the bucket.
Its the thousands who somehow get papers you can worry about.
The IRS obtaining tactical shotguns is one thing, how about the Department Of Education?
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&_cview=0
DOE under Iggy?
The Report Below explains:
These are the men Al Qaeda can rely upon. Hundreds of millions of Muslims are susceptible to being victimized by this level of medieval savagery.
These are not "fifteen incompetents hiding in a cave."
They are at the minimum, hundreds of thousands of cold-blooded, tough and determined committed fighting men, trained with knives and guns, even RPG's from the age of six or seven.
If NATO and the U.S. leave the region to avoid casualties in a Talib war, innocent people worldwide will die.
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""Not every Afghan is hoping the Americans soon leave their country. Some are actually dreading it.
"You [NATO & the U.S.]can't leave Afghanistan," Manizha, who helps run a shelter for battered women, recently warned "World News" anchor Diane Sawyer. Behind Manizha, women who were beaten, bruised and badly scarred shake their heads in urgent agreement.
The secret women's shelter is run by Manizha -- who, like most Afghans, goes by only one name -- and by New Yorker Esther Hyneman. It is one of a string of shelters and counseling centers that opened in 2007 and have since helped about 1,500 Afghan women escape beatings and abuse that can shock even battle-hardened combat surgeons.
Among the most heartbreaking is the story of Bebe. She is 17, and she says her face was mutilated by her husband, a Talib. Bebe's nose and ears were cut off as punishment for running away to escape the constant pummeling by her husband and his family.
She was married to the radical Taliban when she was 12, Manizha told Sawyer. Her marriage was the result of an outlawed tribal custom called "baad" in which the daughter was given away as compensation for a crime or offense committed by a male member of Bebe's family.
Girls given away in "baad" transactions are often little more than slaves. Bebe was forced to sleep in a stable with the animals, and beatings and pain became part of life for her.
Bebe tried to escape but was captured.
Her husband was ordered by the Taliban to punish her by disfiguring her face. While her brother-in-law held her down, her husband sliced off her nose and ears.
Left for dead, she crawled to her uncle's house, but he refused to help. Bebe staggered on to her grandfather's house. He called her father. The local Afghan hospital was unable to treat her wounds, and suggested her father take her to the nearby U.S. military base, Forward Operating Base Ripley in Oruzgan province.
"She was very scared. She covered up," said Air Force Sgt. Lindsey Clark, a medic who was on duty when Bebe arrived three days after the attack.
Maj. Jeff Lewis, an Air Force surgeon, told ABC News he was used to seeing war wounds, but Bebe's injuries appalled him.
"It was barbaric and shocking to see this, that somebody had done this to this young girl... It was unlike anything I've ever seen," Lewis said. "I'm surprised that ... it still exists, this type of problem in the world."
Despite their scars -- from fists, knives, burns, electrical cords -- there is an argument that the women at Manizha's shelter are the lucky ones.These women have found a way out of their brutal marriages. Millions of Afghan women are routinely handed over for marriages while they are still children and endure lives of constant battering.
"Ninety percent of Afghan women have experienced some form of human rights violation, 15 million Afghan women probably need our help," Manizha told Sawyer.
It's not just Afghan women who want things to change.
"Husbands, fathers and brothers, they come for help," Hyneman told Sawyer. "They want a peaceful life... a family life and want to be able to support their children," rather than marry them off at a young age.