Consent by Shotgun

Posted Thursday, February 4, 2010, at 5:52 PM
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  • Ky. census worker killed himself, police say

    Battling cancer, he had taken out $600,000 in life insurance

    This one GI?, can't find any IRS workers killed in this manner.

    -- Posted by boojum666 on Thu, Feb 4, 2010, at 8:25 PM
  • Guess he didnt have enough money for treatment. What a shame.

    -- Posted by president obama on Thu, Feb 4, 2010, at 9:05 PM
  • Gi I think you are channeling Hank.

    -- Posted by boojum666 on Thu, Feb 4, 2010, at 9:42 PM
  • Dadburn Gearjammer,

    Back in the 60s, when I rode with a small desert- town cop most Saturday afternoons, holding barrroom doors open and covering his back with one of those riot guns(sawed off shotgun) -- I was plumb unaware that I was just an instrument for Obama's and the liberals destruction of America.

    Let's see, had he even been born in Kenya then?

    Border Patrol, Customs, Secret Service and IRS agents are required to put their lives on the line in some hairy situations.

    Such as, taking down a Drug cartel's transfer house in any part of the country; raiding a major meth lab in any suburb, or on a remote ranch; Stopping a big rig packed with 112 illegals between San Angelo and Fort Worth; Raiding a 50,000 gallon per month moonshine distillery in South Cleveland; GET THE PICTURE.

    When a major action is required, every federal officer from every agency gets called in.

    Routinely, they have body armour, kevlar helmets, sidearms/assault rifles/riot guns -- either in their headquarters or secured in their autos.

    For a Meth Lab raid in a remote abandoned ranch building outside Miles City, MT or Rio Vista, CA -- every federal officer and most state and local officers who can be spared from the streets get called in.

    Why -- Some of those gentle Meth Makers have been known to conceal snipers with scope sights around their labs. Badge-toters get killed in these situations. So some carry rifles, some carry riot guns, all wear body armour.

    [Had a ranch-owner friend who tipped his sheriff to a meth lab operating in an unused remote line shack and barn on his land. The raid netted about 300 lbs. of meth, several tons of precursors and other ingredients, two light planes, six vehicles AND SEVEN HEAVILY ARMED PEOPLE. Within a week, there were two attempts to kill the rancher, his wife and son.]

    If you want to volunteer for full training as an auxiliary police officer or reserve deputy sheriff, there might be opportunity for you to carry one of those riot guns.

    Of course, if some unfriendly opens up on you at 400 yards with a scope-sighted 50 caliber rifle, you might want to swap that riot gun for a 105 recoilless rifle.

    Want to uphold constitutional law? Here's a marvelous opportunity for all you conservative thinkers.

    How about it, Sam? Chunky? BooJum? Ms. Smith?

    Leo Pold?

    Feel like racing down to volunteer for the next meth raid?

    Not much in the way of hazard pay, your county may provide $50,000 in life insurance for volunteers.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Fri, Feb 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM
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    "How about it, Sam? Chunky? BooJum? Ms. Smith?

    Leo Pold?"

    Notice he didn't say Joe Buck. Probably because Joe Buck is a non-contributing troll.

    It's funny, you actually make Sam and the others look bad. If you cared about Sam and his message and the other cons you would refrain from posting, or try to type something helpful to your very noble cause.

    -- Posted by Jaded American on Fri, Feb 5, 2010, at 11:41 AM
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    Speaking of predictable...

    -- Posted by Jaded American on Fri, Feb 5, 2010, at 11:46 AM
  • Hey Gearjammer,

    Just awaiting with bated breath for word of how many of your constitutional conservatives are volunteering for posse duty apprehending the drug gangsters.

    Noticed in the report regarding stopping the Boeing project on the border, the officials carefully avoided saying anything about the technology which is working.

    Just as Republican Congressmen touring Afghanistan and Pakistan carefully avoid discussing this administration's programs which are working where the Republicans failed after seven years.

    Bush/Cheney spent a Trillion or so in Iraq, couldn't figure a way out.

    Bush/Cheney pulled a winning team out of Afghanistan to send them into Iraq.

    Bush/Cheney managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and let Bin Laden, the Taliban and all Al Qaeda get away.

    That terrible Obama listens to the military, orders the Unmanned Aerial Surveilence and Attack vehicles into the air -- and it is working.

    How underhanded of him, take the military's advice, accomplish in a year what those genius Republicans failed to do in seven years, and not once did he wear a jet jockey's pressure suit to strut around the First Lady's White House Garden.

    No sense of the dramatic moment -- of of the absurd. That takes a Republican who nearly triples the national debt.

    Do notice you patriotic Neo-Cons keep shoveling the Male Bovine Excrement about Obama spending more than DubYah and the Draft Dodgers.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Fri, Feb 5, 2010, at 5:52 PM
  • Well Hank I happen to be a person, a citizen of this country that belives in my reposibility to pay my taxes and as that type of person I have no fear of the goverment.

    Also, part of my taxes pay for protection from crimials so I don't need to volunteer to be a amature police officer. So You can take your challenge and place it where the sun doesn't shine you senile blow hard.

    -- Posted by boojum666 on Fri, Feb 5, 2010, at 6:55 PM
  • well shoot, th kee bord gremlins got me

    that would be responsibility and amateurs


    -- Posted by boojum666 on Fri, Feb 5, 2010, at 7:11 PM
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    Sam exposed these Socialists again. The IRS is even worse than Sam described, and the tax code is a joke, but a cruel joke, feeding on the producers, and enabling those on the left that produce nothing but bills past due.

    As Carl now sinks into new lows trying to catch Guillermo in the hate department, I would wager real cash that neither Carl or Guillermo have ever paid a dime in income tax.

    Sam, they never really do address the points you make do they? They think trying to smear and belittle you is an answer to your arguments. Take heart Sam, the country is waking up, we are on to these progressives. Their end is near, and as you can see from their responses, they know it.

    -- Posted by Leo.Pold on Fri, Feb 5, 2010, at 9:59 PM
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    Leo - Thanks for the kind words. I knew that the America haters out there would defend the IRS. They need the hideous tax code to impose their alledged morality upon us all.

    Carl - Thanks for your rebuke. Not that I needed assurance that I speak the truth, but seeing your response, is further evidence that the truth just tears you up. It has got to be tough, realizing that you are a walking lie, and live a lie. I don't know what religion you are, and frankly I don't care. I asked you repeatedly why God should bless America, and all you could offer, in your typical smart *** way was, "Fox News."

    So Carl, you have decided that I'll miss the Rapture huh? LOL. Not very loving of you, but then again, you defend the daily murders of three thousand kids, so I don't expect a whole lotta love out of you.

    Guillermo - Thanks again for showing us all how our education system is an indoctrination system. As Spain is now facing bankruptcy from years of the type of government you adore, maybe you'll run to Spain, and take your place in line with everyone else looking for handouts.

    Joe - and Bojum / you're appreciated. It is hard to take the left seriously, accept for the fact that they seriously want to destroy this country. As Guillermo, and now Carl, have shown repeatedly, hate is a hard force to overcome.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Fri, Feb 5, 2010, at 10:48 PM
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    Sam, have you noticed that the EU is now starting to crumble from years of liberal thinking. Greece has been told by the EU to get it together, and the citizens, use to government handouts and payoffs, are rebelling.

    You are right about Spain, and other Socialist states are soon to follow. Did you read all of Guillermo's BS about the poor picked on government workers? Government workers and unions are working hard to have all of America look like Detroit. The dark heart of liberalism can only shine in the misery of others.

    -- Posted by Leo.Pold on Fri, Feb 5, 2010, at 11:08 PM
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    Leo - what a great line..."the dark heart of liberalism can only shine in the misery of others." How true. Oh sure, I saw all that crappola Guillermo was layin' down.

    Government workers, on almost all levels, have been enjoying pay hikes, acting like there are no economic problems. The concept of "public service" has been replaced with "the public owes us". It is sad. We have way too many government employees, at all levels, getting paid way too much for doing way too little. They all get fat vacations, fat paid days off, fat health care programs, and fat retirement programs. And they **** well have the attitude that we had better give them everything they want, or we're ungrateful.

    I have often wondered about the conflict of interest when they vote. The public employee unions are in the back pocket of the Obamunists, and they could give a tinkers' **** about the folks who actually have to pay the bills.

    Leo - when you are driving down the road, and you see a shiny brand new dumptruck, isn't it almost always a government vehicle? It is the farmers, and self employed folks that get to drive the old dumptrucks. Where did we get the idea that public employees get to have the very best of everything?

    Joe - You nailed it! Remember, it was the leftists in Congress, and Bill Clinton, that caused the market meltdown prior to the election. Liberals cause problems, and then count on diluted souls like Guillermo and Carl to lie and blame everybody else.

    Liberal and progressive thought will one day be properly labeled as a mental disorder.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sat, Feb 6, 2010, at 12:24 AM
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    Reformed - I have serious doubts that you were ever a right winger. Knock off the BS, and come clean.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sat, Feb 6, 2010, at 12:30 AM
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    Indeed! Nazi Pelosi wrote a nasty letter back in 03 to President Bush, after 3 million lost jobs, a scant two years after 911, and raked him over the coals for all the suffering of the unemployed. Now that Obama has killed or damaged perhaps as many as 10 million jobs, she says nothing, and the Obamunists manipulate the numbers. We are way over 10% unemployment.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sat, Feb 6, 2010, at 12:41 AM
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    Reformed - I am certain there were guys like you around when Hitler was taking over Germany. When some sane voices tried to point out that Germany was on the road to evil and destruction, I think it was guys like you that called them pathetic.

    I can see that the daily murder of three thousand innocents doesn't bother you, it's kind of a joke to you isn't it? You see, I don't think God looks at this as a joke. Our country has been in decline ever since Roe v. Wade.

    I am certain that guys like Carl were with you in pre-Hitler Germany. Whenever a real Christian would warn that Christians and people of faith should not hold hands with an evil government, I can see that guys like you and Carl stood by smiling while Dietrich Bonhoeffer was taken away in chains.

    You leftists were there in Germany, telling the people that the government did not want to harm the Jews! You labeled those that rang the warning bell as crazy. Your kind assured everyone that Hitler just wanted the Jews to pay their fair share. Your kind was there to tell everyone that the Nazi's just wanted to give everyone medical care, but them evil Jews stood in the way.

    Reformed - guys like you were there in Germany. As the Nazi's took over, some warned that Germany was headed to total government, just like in Russia, and guys like you said that they were tired of detractors constantly comparing the new German Government to Lenin.

    I stand by every single point I made in my blog. You have not refuted a single point.

    And, I will stay on Abortion, because abortion has eaten away at the very soul of this country, which you, Carl & Guillermo demonstrate so well.

    If you believe that the defense of our most defenseless, the unborn, is borderline pathetic, then I also stand by my belief that you never were on the right to begin with.

    If you, reformed, stand with those who claim it is perfectly okay to rob those who have been successful, to engage in class warfare, then you never were a conservative.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sat, Feb 6, 2010, at 8:15 AM
  • to all

    I pay my taxes as a responsible american citizen.

    I wish our goverment would find a way to stop the program of tax and spend to ease the load for the middle class that bears the brunt of paying for this wastefull attitude.

    I wish our liberal goverment would greet every illegal alien at the border with a w-4 form and a big welcome smile. Change that green card into a tax card and make sure all of the guest workers pay their fair share. I bet that would slow the flow.

    Then the goverment could tell the new tax payers, look at the nice matte black shotguns we just got, any guesses what we use these for? How much lead do you need for a running tax cheat? Is it legal to arkansas a tax payer? What are the pelts worth? sorry, I couldn't resist some gun range humor.

    I wish our Goverment would reduce the largest work force in the USA.

    Two weeks ago Obama said he was working so hard that he hadn't been listening to the people. Well he still is tone deaf as he keeps growning the size of the goverment and how much money he need from the tax payers.

    -- Posted by boojum666 on Sat, Feb 6, 2010, at 8:38 AM
  • sam, its an opinoin blog. hard to refute your opinion.

    -- Posted by president obama on Sat, Feb 6, 2010, at 3:33 PM
  • "..will we have to buy her booze and pay to fly her back to the Left Coast after she loses??? -- Posted by Joe Buck on Sat, Feb 6, 2010,

    Jose, puh-leeze do the world a favor and hold your breath until Nancy Pelosi loses her house seat.

    And, super patriot BooJum -- Rolling snake eyes on volunteering for a local law enforcement agency. Poor baby doesn't want to be an "amature cop."

    ITEM -- auxiliary and reserve officers, after about 80 hours of formal training and 120 hours occupying the passenger seat during night patrol, MAY FINALLY GET A BADGE. That's more formal training than logged by the entire Earp family at Dodge and Tombstone. More formal training than received by Bill Tilghmann and many other lawmen, including John Saxon and Carl Hayden of Arizona.

    But most local departments today require about 200 hours of combined classroom and on-patrol training before they issue an auxiliary badge.

    My point remains --- ALL you super patriot, anti everything conservatives could help a great deal in holding down local government's costs, by volunteering -- and local law enforcement is a great place to start.

    Volunteer fire departments can use your brawn, brains and bravery.

    Your city or county parks and recreation people would certainly welcome volunteers -- and you won't have to learn to shoot a firearm.

    But again, if you want to help slow the influx of illegal drugs, unlicensed alcohol, black-market cigarettes and undocumented humans -- seeking opportunity serve with your local police or sheriff's department as a volunteer, would be of real value.

    By the way, self identified and proclaimed conservatives -- having some volunteer credentials in practical law enforcement will do wonders for your personal morale.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Sat, Feb 6, 2010, at 5:56 PM
  • Really Hank. The police agencies you described allow volenteers to go on interdiction raids?

    Some how I don't belive that would be true.

    Next time I meet with the police chief I will have to ask him.

    keep your powder dry hank

    -- Posted by boojum666 on Sat, Feb 6, 2010, at 6:42 PM
  • Mr. Sam.

    1. Your link about the shotguns....doesn't work, all I got was "The requested notice could not be found."

    2. Let me try to understand your logic on this. In past blogs you are an avid supporter of the 2nd amendment. Which protects our right to bear arms. (I am a supporter of this, and own arms.) Yet you rant about the IRS purchasing a mear 60 new shotguns for more than likely their law enforcement division? It would seem by the rather small number of shotguns, more than likely they are replacements.

    You are an avid supportor of the military and I assume of law enforcement, yet you do not want the IRS enforcement to have new/modern weapons to protect themselves from the criminals? I believe you have twisted this into something that it isn't.

    3. I am an independant and do not agree with the righties or the lefties on some of this crap, but this twisted subject is just that crap.

    -- Posted by goarmy67 on Wed, Feb 10, 2010, at 12:06 AM
  • BooJum,

    If you are healthy, strong, mentally alert and morally straight -- with no felony record -- a lot of police departments can use volunteers as auxiliary and reserve officers.

    Volunteers buy their own uniforms and equipment, and if finally authorized to carry a side-arm, they buy that. Usually find a used weapon with a full-time officer, often can find used utility belts, batons, etc.

    The full-time officers are glad for some help.

    Come football nights, parades, county fairs, etc. having a dozen volunteers to help direct traffic is a godsend for a budget short department.

    Don't have any illusions -- there are easier ways to spend an NFL Sunday afternoon, than being in the Public Works parking lot practicing traffic direction and crowd control.

    With serious business, the volunteers may not get any closer than keeping traffic out of the area, but it is nice to have the sawed-off in your hands when you have no idea of who is in that pickup coming up to your roadblock with his bright lights on -- or if he is holding an AK-47.

    Works better to have one man off to the side in the shadows, possibly kneeling behind a vehicle as unknowns approach.

    Guarantee it will increase blood pressure and pulse.

    Of course, once you have been through all the training, have the recognized certificates and credentials -- move to a new town and county, with your uniforms and equipment -- you will never meet friendlier police.

    Just ask your old chief to call ahead with his blessings.

    Can produce a bunch of willing hands to help unload that U-Haul.

    There is a cost. But there are rewards.

    Be near a major correctional facility and get called out several times annually to man road blocks after prison breaks.

    Absolutely great way to spend midnight to 7 a.m. hunkered down a few yards from a railroad crossing where you can watch and listen for movement on the tracks and the road.

    No Boo, you don't just walk in and demand a badge and gun. That ain't the way it works.

    You have to earn the right to that uniform and its responsibility and you have to understand the reason for the "Mirandizing" of arrested people.

    There's probably 200 hours of study of law before you get to ride in a patrol car, smelling of drunks' vomit and urine.

    After you start riding patrol, expect to continue devoting weekends to training and education-- without pay.

    But when you get to be a cranky "Old ****" as you boys like to declare, you don't have to apologize for breathing free air.

    Because you will know -- Free air ain't free.

    It must be earned.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Wed, Feb 10, 2010, at 6:41 PM
  • Again hank I say, YEAH RIGHT!

    Ever heard of a little thing called, LIABILITY! Maybe in your hippie commune there are volunteer cops, but out here in the REAL WORLD we live our lives, as do the police, to avoid the trial lawyers.

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Wed, Feb 10, 2010, at 7:04 PM
  • Jose,

    Did you notice today, some "hybrid" Abrams -- rigged with "long distance" bulldozer blades ripping the ground to a depth of about 14-18 inches are clearing the way into the Taliban's drug operations' stronghold in southern Afghanistan.

    Of course, some Neo-Con will scream the 2075-era R&D funds should never have been diverted to immediately providing safer and more effective equipment and weapons for our troops TODAY.

    Search out the reports from the crews of those 60-ton-plus mine-clearing behemoths -- and the words of the troops following them safely.

    Of course, had the job been finished in Afghanistan back in 2003 and 2004, our guys would not be there now -- and they would never have been in Iraq.

    By the way -- REMEMBER that Al Qaeda training camp to the north and east of Kurdish country in Iraq, which supposedly proved Saddaam was in league with Bin Laden?

    Met an old boy [In a snowbound airport with him for 36 hours], who spent most of the1985-2005 years in that West Asia/Persian Gulf region.

    He couldn't stop laughing about Saddaam's "tame Al Qaeda" training camp.

    The REALITY -- that secret Al Qaeda camp was there to train Iraqis in terrorist tactics to use against Saddaam and his regime -- and DubYah and the Draft Dodges knew the truth.

    Some CIA types helped pick the location, using our satellite imagery and arranging C-130 drops -- right after Charlie Wilson helped the early Taliban run the Russians out of Afghanistan.

    It was just more politically beneficial for Bush/Cheney to claim these were Saddaam's buddies training terrorists.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Fri, Feb 12, 2010, at 4:01 PM

    Include the names of the most convenient towns and counties. I'll be happy to call for information on volunteers for law enforcement.

    With the required training and buying your equipment -- even with credentials, it is not likely you will be carrying any weapon in crowd and traffic control.

    And yes, that cuts way down on liability.

    I've had a couple of departments where I could volunteer,if I paid about $200 annually for the liability insurance premiums.

    But for big time super patriots, that's no big deal.

    After all, if a limp-wristed Pinko, Socialist Liberal Progressive finds it worth while to pay the insurance premium to volunteer -- a bunch of real mid-west American Patriots should be overjoyed with the opportunity to show him up.

    Fellows, I will admit to one bit of puzzlement--

    For people who obviously don't know their benighted posteriors from their elbows, or that proverbial depression in terra firma, you old boys sure do have some expert opinion based upon absolute ignorance of the subject.

    Is it possible the idea of manning a road block or check point 50-100 miles from a High Plains prison on a February night just ain't appealing enough??

    If the frost bite don't last too long, it will heal.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Fri, Feb 12, 2010, at 4:24 PM
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    Wondering70 - I'd like to answer you. I have been fighting off global warming all over the country, and I have been behind in writing! Right now, I am in snowy Florida.

    No sir/ma'am! I do not want tax collectors armed. Armed tax collectors is certainly not what the founders had in mind with limited government.

    Our government is suppose to work with the consent of the governed. This is how tyranny begins. The Stateist con you (or me) into thinking that some people, (the rich) aren't paying their fair share, and they need weapons to make them do it. The rich in America pay far more than their "fair share".

    Let me tell you a small truth. It is one the leftists will decry, because the left produces nothing, and they must confiscate the hard work of others to support them.

    Here it is. The rich do not persecute the poor. It is the poor that persecute the rich.

    Now, examine history, and you will see that this is true, and I mean real history, not the propaganda taught to our kids today by leftist nut job history teachers, who pervert history to excuse their hate.

    If you are not a pagan, perhaps you could read what Christ said about rich and poor.

    Thanks for your comments, but let me clear. The IRS having one shotgun, is one shotgun too many.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Fri, Feb 12, 2010, at 7:29 PM
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    Wow Sam, we are in Alabama right now, fighting off several inches of global warming too! LOL

    We are in agreement with you, the IRS has no business being armed, but, it really doesn't make any difference. The government has become so powerful and greedy. If this corrupt power is not reversed, then another arm of the government will come after us armed, if not the IRS.

    -- Posted by CandyKilroy on Fri, Feb 12, 2010, at 9:42 PM
  • GearJammer,

    That Global Warming Conference in Southeast Asia last year heard a whole bunch of meterologists and climatologists predicting EXTREME WEATHER -- HOT, COLD, DROUGHTS AND FLOODING NONSOONS -- will increase steadily as a result of global warming.

    For a while this winter Fairbanks, Alaska had higher temperatures than a bunch of north-south central states.

    Every part of the world is seeing extreme weather. Normally warm regions are getting SNOW.

    VANCOUVER'S ski slopes were bare until about three weeks ago, then the one big storm came in and saved their bacon. [By the way, our northern neighbors put on a heckuva show last night for the Winter Olympics opening, gave a tremendous amount of recognition to their "aboriginal peoples" from Vancouver to Nova Scotia.

    Oh yes, one CDL holder who had a Wisconsin outfit try to pull an "Arrow Job" on him, reports he won his appeal with Wisconsin's Labor Judges.

    Said during the telephone conference hearing, the judge sort of went into orbit on the company reps, offered to give them 30 days in the crossbar hotel to reconsider their attitude.

    Found for the driver for about $5,000, 20% more than he claimed, then tacked on a handsome penalty.

    Are you heading up I-95 or going west along the Gulf to join Nawlins or Biloxi or Mobile Mardi Gras celebrationa?

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Sat, Feb 13, 2010, at 3:52 PM
  • So Carl,

    What kind of firearms do you like?

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Sat, Feb 13, 2010, at 4:08 PM
  • No loaded question there Carl, just communicating with my fellow firearms enthusiast.

    Have a good day!

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Sun, Feb 14, 2010, at 4:00 PM
  • Chunky,

    You sure seem hung up on this gun thing.

    I earned my first single shot .22 selling seed packets in 1938.

    Had a clip-loaded Savage .22 at 12 and an 18-shot Remington semi-auto at 15.

    My army training outfit had two guys without RFD or Star Route addresses, Wyoming to Louisiana, Eastern Arizona to Arkansas.

    All the other 195 recruits were country boys.

    FIFTH ARMY HQS. ordered us back to the range with the M-1 Garand four times, because they did not believe all but a handful of the 197 recruits fired Expert or Sharpshooter.

    Each time we were required to refire the range, scores improved.

    Last trip on a Sunday morning, they put officers from the "separation center" pulling targets and scoring.

    After heading for college, my rifles stayed on the ranch. Over time I bought my father a .44 magnum revolver and a .30 caliber lever action rifle, when he was having problems with a new neighbor (Who had been unhappy with me in High School) plus picked up a Browning auto-load 12 for him which had been impounded from goose hunters in Utah. I won that auction at 10% of retail.

    The only guns I have fired, carried and used since Army days have been as a volunteer cop or deputy, and a .410 Stevens pump I carried in pieces on the road for 12 years. [Could pull the pieces out from their separate hiding places, assemble and be ready to fire in about 15-20 seconds at 60 mph.]

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Wed, Feb 17, 2010, at 12:41 PM
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    One thing I haven't seen discussed on this thread is the fact that the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) is the 'law enforcement' arm of the IRS. Why would an IRS agent NEED a weapon when they have an entirely adequate division of law enforcement already contracted to conduct their police-keeping operations?

    An analogy would be arming Paramedics when going on a call, when they have law-enforcement.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Wed, Feb 17, 2010, at 4:01 PM
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    But that pre-supposes that unhappy taxpayers who own firearms are prone to killing (heck let's just say 'shooting at') IRS agents when we know that certainly isn't true.

    If the libs really wanted to reign in debt...they would first: Stop spending.

    Ain't gonna happen.

    Second: Cut taxes across the board.

    They won't, but not because they want lower's because they want more power. Taking money out of the hands of those who rightfully earned it grants them that power, with a little fuel for the ego for icing.

    I think they need to take the academic approach to this. Have a blue ribbon panel hold a conference; omitting any experts on taxes, guns, or the Constitution; form a consensus that American people...bad - Government...good; REALLY study the results say, for at least two years; and then come back and blame Bush or the Republicans in congress for being obstructionist.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Wed, Feb 17, 2010, at 4:39 PM
  • "We just want our government to spend its money on making on country better for all its citizens."

    GI it is our money, in the form of taxes, that funds the goverment. It is not "its" money.

    I think Obama is begining to relize that a majority of people in this country do not support his spending programs and want is to stop.

    I am willing to pay my fair share, however I am tired of my share being wasted.

    -- Posted by boojum666 on Wed, Feb 17, 2010, at 6:36 PM
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    GI - Far from lame. I believe it to be 100% accurate.

    If I'm wrong, name one reason why the current administration is doing nothing to create jobs in the small business sector of this country; and in fact are posing confiscatory and punitive taxes to be foisted upon it.

    I'll wait.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Wed, Feb 17, 2010, at 6:58 PM
  • We the people are the government to be run by our elected representatives using the money we pay in taxes.

    Too many of our representatives seem to have lost track of this relationship.

    -- Posted by boojum666 on Wed, Feb 17, 2010, at 8:08 PM
  • BooJum,

    How is it that after 28 out of 40 years with Republicans in the White House?

    With the last two Republican presidents, both happened to be BUSHES -- the national debt had more than QUADRUPLED.

    We ended up with millions of foreclosures, hundreds of thousands of farm, mine,timber, residential, business and oil patch foreclosure and bankruptcy auctions.

    S&L collapse thanks to Reagan/Bush, total banking collapse DubYah -- that's DDD for short.

    PLUS, NONSTOP WARS FROM Panama, Grenada, Somalia to Iraq.

    While the necessary war to stop Al Qaeda and their Taliban sponsors and allies, was shorted.

    While with the 1990's Democratic president, the national debt was reduced, annual deficits were reduced.

    Terrible Al Gore had supervised cutting of tens of thousands of unneeded workers from the federal payroll -- and oversaw elimination of hundreds of thousands of unneeded and redundant pages from federal regulations.

    Gee what happened to the Liberals studying things to death with no action.

    FOR DADGUM CERTAIN, there was no study or honest research into the Al Qaeda/Taliban/Saddaam equation, before Dubyah and the Draft Dodgers hurried away from putting an end to the first two and wasted seven years and TRILLIONS on Iraq.

    But there was logic in that decision from their political, personal profit motive viewpoint.

    There was no way to hand over the major Iraqi oil reserves and several Trillion dollars to Cheney's old crew at Halliburton and KBR -- fighting in Afghanistan.

    How was it a President and Vice President from the oil patches of Texas and Wyoming decided to reward the Veep's buddies with a package worth TRILLIONS?

    While putting the finishing touches on quadrupling the national debt in league with Poppa Bush.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Fri, Feb 19, 2010, at 3:29 PM
  • Mickel,

    " ...current administration is doing nothing to create jobs in the small business sector of this country; and in fact are posing confiscatory and punitive taxes to be foisted upon it. I'll wait.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Wed, Feb 17,

    Mickel, you can not possibly be that uninformed.

    The present administration's small business programs are well known.

    It is also well known that the SOLID REPUBLICAN BLOCK is fighting those changes, because they do not not provide pork for big business, banks and insurance companies. Some of those brilliant minds have made those statements.

    You and your buddies are pathetic. Democrats foment racial hatred.

    Republicans are the true friends of them black folks and civil rights --

    ... you dark complected folks just misunderstood our 100% block NO votes to every Civil Rights bill.

    You misunderstood the GOP welcoming the Racist DixieDrats into our party, after LBJ signed the first Civil Rights bill and the racist DixieCrats bolted the national Democratic Party.

    Might mention, it helped make up GOP leadership's minds when those nice southern racists brought their state party's bank balances with them.

    In a couple of instances, actually carried into GOP national headquarters in big suitcases.

    Now that's honor and integrity, GOP racist style.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Fri, Feb 19, 2010, at 3:38 PM
  • Hank, the president is only one man, he has to have the support of the house of representative and the senate.

    This is why Obama is having so much trouble, he doesn't have that support. Bush didn't decide all the the things you atribute to him. Clinton din't, bush senior didn't.

    The simple fact is Bush is gone. Now Obama is going to have to step up and garner the support of the house and senate to get counry back on track and the is NO evidence he is going to be able to do it. He is losing.

    "The present administration's small business programs are well known" What a crock, What is well known is Obamas absolute ignorance about business.

    See Ya Hank, keep the pointy end down range

    (did you ever beat that dispatcher?)

    -- Posted by boojum666 on Fri, Feb 19, 2010, at 8:53 PM
  • *

    Hank - you talk a lot, but say little. Exactly which programs initiated by the Obama administration have fostered small business growth?

    Cite your source please.

    For your information - it matters NOT what the Rep party objected or obstructed, as they had NOT the power to stop the Dem super majority. If you have a lament about the ineffectiveness of the current administration and the Dem ruled congress...look to your own party. I hope you can understand all that, because the lib pitty-party about the impotence of their super-majority is getting super-old.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Fri, Feb 19, 2010, at 10:44 PM
  • *

    GI - "Examine his proposals?" Since when are proposals results? Did you even read what you posted, or was it simply cut and pasted?

    "On Capitol Hill yesterday, White House Budget Director Peter Orszag met with severe criticism from Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), who accused the administration of viewing TARP as a "piggy bank" and using it for political purposes."

    How is this a glowing endorsement of the Obama administration? The language in TARP was clear that the money was to pay down the deficit and not to be redirected as a stimulus 1.5 program. Why isn't Hank decrying THIS abuse of gov't?

    Obama's proposal for a $5,000 tax credit for small business new hiring is not much of an incentive. Considering hiring and training costs alone, $5000 is a drop in the bucket especially considering that costs for employee health care, especially gov't mandated health care, are still undecided. The tax credit, like the "Cash for Clunkers" monies will be eligible for taxation. How exactly is that an incentive to hire?

    Your post itself recognizes this: "Health care reform, energy policy, tax policy and financial regulatory reform are all outstanding questions with significant implications for the cost of labor. Clarity on some of these issues will help businesses make hiring commitments."

    And finally, the proposal for a zero capital gains tax on business investment is a great proposal, but I can practically guarentee you aren't going to see it get off the drawing board in Obama's term.

    All in all, I guess I'm still waiting for what Obama has ACCOMPLISHED and not proposed.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sat, Feb 20, 2010, at 12:15 AM
  • *

    Proposals equals action. In what universe? Obama's proposals and pledges won't employ the millions of Americans who need jobs. I've asked you what he has done...not what he's talked about.

    What's more...Obama has a terrible track record with living up to his promises and pledges: 8% unemployment cap, transparency, tax cuts, the closing of Gitmo, etc.

    I'm not wearing blinders, GI. I'm walking the walk. Along with my current three enterprises that I am active I have owned three other small businesses. I've put more people to work through my small businesses than all the pledges and proposals of the Obama administration.

    As far as evaluating the President, why wait? Wasn't there this recent fawning by the media and the Obama administration about the so-called effectiveness of the Stimulus? Far be it from me to stay mum on Obamas performance when he himself is so vocal.

    No - there has been ample time for a policy to move from a proposal to a course of action. I just don't believe he is really interested.

    " Whether you agree with the policy or not, you cannot deny that the idea is to bolster the small business owner; to help it thrive. " You're correct...I can't deny it...however, you cannot deny that so far these are pledges and not policy.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sat, Feb 20, 2010, at 12:13 PM
  • *

    Sorry GI - I just don't buy your scenario, as sincere as I sense it to be.

    If McCain was in office right now, and we were seeing identical un-raveling policies and impotent action disguised as 'proposals'; I suspect that there would be a cacophonous howl from you and other libs on this board...and rightly so.

    You keep up your optimism, it is the only thing you'll have in the days to come. Obama is going to fail huge...and that doesn't make me smile or bring me comfort. Quite frankly it is both un-nerving and very sad.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sun, Feb 21, 2010, at 2:12 PM
  • Boo,

    Apart from any income from elected office, Pres.Elect and Mrs. Obama were comfortably in the multi-millionaire range.

    They did it on their own, even paying off their federal student loans three years before he ran for office.

    How have you done lately?

    All the president had to do during his first 12 months was straighten out two totally mis-managed Bush/Cheney wars, pull the nation out of near-total economic collapse, encourage Congress to develop effective Health Care Reform and face a lock-step 100% obstructionist Republican Party.

    No one expects all or even a majority of elected GOP types to vote with a Democratic President or the Democratic majority in both houses.

    100% opposition -- Often directly counter to individual members' public statements for the past 20 years. THAT'S RIDICULOUS.

    Somehow the BlockHeads feel the Democrats should also vote in an unyielding monolithic formation.

    That's not the Democratic way and it sure is not the American way.

    Each representative and senator was elected to vote the needs of district and state citizens and vote their own thinking.

    They are not elected to take orders from some doctrinaire leadership.

    Have you noticed the new "revolutionary" from Massachusetts, Representative Brown voted with the Democrats to move the jobs bill forward.

    The Democrats are moving to pass a jobs bill.

    The Republicans are opposed to people having jobs.

    The President appoints that flaming liberal, former GOP Senator Allan Simpson of Wyoming and the effective reform President of the Univ. of North Carolina -- multi-campus and multi-university system, Erskine Bowles to head the commission to reduce federal spending, deficits and debt.

    Bowles and Simpson were both involved in creating the last balanced budget, the last reduction in debt and an effective program to have this nation debt free THIS YEAR.

    The Republicans could not wait to vote Three Trillion to bail out banks, AIG and the auto makers when DDD requested that spending.

    Now they oppose using $30-Billion of the repaid bank bail-out money to fund small banks for small business loans.

    By the way, those small business loans were a clearly defined purpose of the original bailouts when the bankers went begging to congress.

    Bush/Cheney/Paulson "just forgot" to include that condition in the writing. So the welfare bankers voted themselves BILLIONS in bonuses as a reward for bankrupting their banks.

    Then more BILLIONS were invested in risky overseas ventures, instead of being loaned to the small businesses who underwrote the bailout.

    Strange, not one conservative expert has been able to identify a single Democrat among those bankers.

    Remember -- more than $1-BILLION for the Merrill-Lynch managers who bankrupted that firm.

    I keep hearing from sources in New York that another bank received $13-BILLION in bailout funds and the officers of said bank voted $13-BILLION in bonuses for themselves.

    Can't confirm that report yet, but have to admit the people who reported it have always been accurate.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Tue, Feb 23, 2010, at 5:07 PM
  • *

    Ya-w-w-w-n-n-n. Another 'blame Bush' bedtime story. Makes me drowsy just scrolling through it.

    Yet again...another liberal cannot bear to pin accountability for what's happening now to the current president or his clearly socialist leaning administration...we must blame somebody who is OUT of power; or have some other reason (such as proposals - which have as much value as monopoly money) why this president let a super-majority opportunity slip through his incompetent fingers.

    Night, night.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Feb 23, 2010, at 8:21 PM
  • *

    Ya-w-w-w-n-n-n. Another 'blame Bush' bedtime story. Makes me drowsy just scrolling through it.

    Yet again...another liberal cannot bear to pin accountability for what's happening now to the current president or his clearly socialist leaning administration...we must blame somebody who is OUT of power; or have some other reason (such as proposals - which have as much value as monopoly money) why this president let a super-majority opportunity slip through his incompetent fingers.

    Night, night.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Feb 23, 2010, at 8:23 PM
  • *

    You know what's really exhausting? Libs lying to themselves and the rest of country to score cheap political points.

    The fact is, GI, the economy is worse now than it was when Carter was in office. No thanks to the right wing either.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Wed, Feb 24, 2010, at 11:27 AM
  • *

    GI - I think you have learned by now that I have the ability to not only present an original argument, but to defend it.

    My response to Hank is from weariness that is akin to your own, on having to defend against what is essentially a non-sensical rant. Hank has a habit of posting preposterous liturgies without any corroboration or citation. On another thread, he talks about 'sex trading' without any citation; and I have attempted to encourage him to posit said evidence, or to make a retraction. We'll see how that plays out.

    I'm sure there are plenty of other examples littered throughout the blog of assertions made without substance. My 'parroting' of your statement is a demonstration that your statement could be made from either side of the aisle.

    That being said...I should have included in my post that there is no proof that the economy is stronger now than it was when the Presidential office was vacated by Bush. On the contrary, there is strong evidence that the economy is far worse. I'll post these in a moment. Furthermore, I said what I said NOT to make political points, but to illustrate a classic liberal shield...blame the other guy. Obama has a propensity of this and even pre-empts speeches and statements with this diatribe. This is now the equivalent of a tired tirade on his part, and smacks of immaturity.

    You have not demonstrated that Obama has made forward progress in the area of small business job growth...and with good reason...there is none. Proposals won't feed families and rebound the economy. I cannot overstate this. And Obama has not demonstrated that he can be an effective leader despite holding a congressional super-majority for almost his entire first year in office. The blame game is old, and unwarranted. Obama owns credit for our current situation. No thanks to the right wing either. (an apt political credo)

    -- Posted by Mickel on Wed, Feb 24, 2010, at 8:20 PM
  • *

    Well, it seems I was wrong about mini-hank being Joe Buck I'll admit it.

    But they are both idiotic trolls. There is no denying this fact.

    With 2 of them going on, derailing every thread until it's down to crickets chirping I have lost interest in these blogs. Aint no place for a black man to be anyways. There is no denying this fact.

    Guillermo makes some of you conservatives look like monkeys. There is no denying this fact.

    Sad to see such a vibrant blog community get hijacked by trolls.

    -- Posted by Jaded American on Thu, Feb 25, 2010, at 1:48 PM
  • *

    Interesting...these touted economic agencies with which you hold in such high regard trumpet (as well as you do) up to 2.5 million jobs created in a year by Obama...

    How is it that the unemployment numbers keep growing, in spite of this wonderful job creation?

    How is it that the only real GDP growth lies in the government sector?

    Could it be possible the two intersect?

    I give you the venerable Thomas Sowell.

    Oh - and here is an article about job growth that is NOT over a year old.

    GI - You and your kinsman Obama know shockingly little about how to stimulate job growth. If what you say about jobs created were actually wouldn't need to post a link to it. It would be common knowledge.

    Once again, so you can understand it...(because quite frankly, your thick headed routine is pretty old...I mean, how much in denial can you be?)

    Ideas don't put food on the table. Proposals don't build things. Sincere, good intentions don't pay mortgages. You can't seem to get over this simple little concept. Perhaps your overstimulated intellect keeps getting in the way.

    I blew your feeble "proposals is a verb which equals action" statement out of the arena. Don't try to bring it back now. You attempted to prove the presidents concern via his proposals. I laughed out loud when I read that. But it quickly turned to sadness, as I realized that you and the president really do believe your own nattering shoulder egos when they whisper that the sincerity of your beliefs actually have value and substance over actual results.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Thu, Feb 25, 2010, at 8:48 PM
  • *

    Ignorance belongs to you GI - 10% to 9.7%?? Ooooo - seriously your credibility is swooning.

    Do you seriously reconcile a .3% unemployment rating drop with a 2.5 million job creation report?

    Seriously - I've got some lead that I'd just love to have you touch so it can turn into gold; judging what you just did with that cowpie your fingers were in. Talk about making it easy.

    Once again, your feebleness is overexposed. How does a reference to the performance of past presidents shore up yours or Obamas knowledge of stimulating job growth?

    Short answer - it doesn't.

    If we were playing golf I'd give you a mulligan...but c'mon already.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Thu, Feb 25, 2010, at 9:22 PM
  • *

    This just in...the unemployment rate NOT seasonally adjusted is actually at 10.6%

    I'm very sad to say it just keeps getting worse.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Thu, Feb 25, 2010, at 9:34 PM
  • Actually Backasswards Hank,

    Some intelligent life forms can hardly wait until over inflated Neo-Cons are deflated.

    Sadly, my vet advises that application of a trochar up the rear, or into the source of Neo-Con gasous expulsions -- aka flatulence -- would probably damage the stainless steel of that saddle bag surgical tool.

    Just consider all that sulphur released into the atmosphere. Poor people of Omaha, Des Moines and possibly Chicago, forced to wear Gas Masks.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Tue, Mar 2, 2010, at 2:36 AM
  • Excuse you, Hank!

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Wed, Mar 3, 2010, at 5:22 AM
  • *

    If a liberal screamed in space...would he still be arrogant?

    I don't know where this sudden influx of new libbies came from...but I suspect they may be cronies of one Mr. Hendricks. No other reason to say it other than a hunch. Notice how I never visit his blog...reminds me of tinfoil on a tooth filling...just too much hair raising going on.

    GI - don't be so eager to eat your crow so soon. Your 'optimistic' numbers don't jibe with reality. (Reality being Obama's negligence in ANY sort of positive building in any area of his policies)

    Also - being that your source is CNN...I am a bit dubious, as it's really hard to tell where CNN begins and Obama ends.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Thu, Mar 4, 2010, at 8:55 PM
  • *

    GI - CNN = unbiased as Hugh Hefner = virgin.

    When have I ever advocated the end of the universe, for any reason? GI - I think you know me well enough to discern that I am not a knee-jerk poster, or a non-thinking echo...give me a little credit, please.

    My concern is that you have been blinded by the whitewash job on the Big BO's abilities, credentials, and actual accomplishments. I still have yet to see one policy implemented by his admin that would turn the country around. I believe you can account for the 'percentages' you tout by good ol' rugged American individualism. That is, the American people taking a lemon and making lemonade. If what you suggest is true (effective policies and solid turnaround) then I would venture the numbers would be a trifle more than a statistical flatline change.

    And I do have representatives in Washington...and I am proud of them.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Fri, Mar 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM
  • I thought you didn't believe in God. Or do you, Iggy?

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Fri, Mar 5, 2010, at 9:55 PM
  • Backassward Henri,

    While you are pulling vigilante border action, you should drop down south of Gila Bend, AZ and work the reservation desert to the east of the highway to Mexico.

    Fair warning, the tribal members who are in Border Patrol uniforms take a real dim view of outsiders screwing up their operations.

    There is a little problem with the coyotes carrying assault rifles.

    But, hey you are too much of a patriot to let a little thing like that worry you.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Sat, Mar 6, 2010, at 6:56 PM
  • Hey Backassward Henri,

    Which border region are you interdicting?

    There's a rather interesting region south of Terlinga, Texas where the entertainment quotient is a little skimpy.

    Amateurs are good for comic relief down there.

    Back in the 60s, about one hundred miles from Mexico in a desert town, police reservists and auxiliary deputies manned a stakeout in an abandoned service station waiting for a high-stakes poker game to return to the back room of a bar.

    After nearly two weeks, expensive cars started dropping men off and then heading back out of town.

    About three hours later, the game got raided.

    A metal detector zeroed in on a sizable steel strong box within a corner beehive oven.

    Slightly more than $250,000.

    Most interesting find however -- 5,000 counterfeit "Green Cards" most still in plastic wrap, inside brown kraft paper wrappings, well taped.

    Even more interesting, fingerprints on that plastic wrap belonged to a major Republican politician. Took a month to get the report, but the arrest stuck.

    5,000 Green Cards -- Counterfeit, but looked as good as those from the Government Printing Office.

    Hope you boys catch 10 or 12 illegals out there.

    Even the groups of 30-to-40 walking 100 miles across the desert are a drop in the bucket.

    Its the thousands who somehow get papers you can worry about.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 9:19 PM
  • The IRS obtaining tactical shotguns is one thing, how about the Department Of Education?

    DOE under Iggy?

    -- Posted by Chunky Peanut Butter on Thu, Mar 11, 2010, at 4:32 PM
  • The Report Below explains:

    These are the men Al Qaeda can rely upon. Hundreds of millions of Muslims are susceptible to being victimized by this level of medieval savagery.

    These are not "fifteen incompetents hiding in a cave."

    They are at the minimum, hundreds of thousands of cold-blooded, tough and determined committed fighting men, trained with knives and guns, even RPG's from the age of six or seven.

    If NATO and the U.S. leave the region to avoid casualties in a Talib war, innocent people worldwide will die.


    ""Not every Afghan is hoping the Americans soon leave their country. Some are actually dreading it.

    "You [NATO & the U.S.]can't leave Afghanistan," Manizha, who helps run a shelter for battered women, recently warned "World News" anchor Diane Sawyer. Behind Manizha, women who were beaten, bruised and badly scarred shake their heads in urgent agreement.

    The secret women's shelter is run by Manizha -- who, like most Afghans, goes by only one name -- and by New Yorker Esther Hyneman. It is one of a string of shelters and counseling centers that opened in 2007 and have since helped about 1,500 Afghan women escape beatings and abuse that can shock even battle-hardened combat surgeons.

    Among the most heartbreaking is the story of Bebe. She is 17, and she says her face was mutilated by her husband, a Talib. Bebe's nose and ears were cut off as punishment for running away to escape the constant pummeling by her husband and his family.

    She was married to the radical Taliban when she was 12, Manizha told Sawyer. Her marriage was the result of an outlawed tribal custom called "baad" in which the daughter was given away as compensation for a crime or offense committed by a male member of Bebe's family.

    Girls given away in "baad" transactions are often little more than slaves. Bebe was forced to sleep in a stable with the animals, and beatings and pain became part of life for her.

    Bebe tried to escape but was captured.

    Her husband was ordered by the Taliban to punish her by disfiguring her face. While her brother-in-law held her down, her husband sliced off her nose and ears.

    Left for dead, she crawled to her uncle's house, but he refused to help. Bebe staggered on to her grandfather's house. He called her father. The local Afghan hospital was unable to treat her wounds, and suggested her father take her to the nearby U.S. military base, Forward Operating Base Ripley in Oruzgan province.

    "She was very scared. She covered up," said Air Force Sgt. Lindsey Clark, a medic who was on duty when Bebe arrived three days after the attack.

    Maj. Jeff Lewis, an Air Force surgeon, told ABC News he was used to seeing war wounds, but Bebe's injuries appalled him.

    "It was barbaric and shocking to see this, that somebody had done this to this young girl... It was unlike anything I've ever seen," Lewis said. "I'm surprised that ... it still exists, this type of problem in the world."

    Despite their scars -- from fists, knives, burns, electrical cords -- there is an argument that the women at Manizha's shelter are the lucky ones.These women have found a way out of their brutal marriages. Millions of Afghan women are routinely handed over for marriages while they are still children and endure lives of constant battering.

    "Ninety percent of Afghan women have experienced some form of human rights violation, 15 million Afghan women probably need our help," Manizha told Sawyer.

    It's not just Afghan women who want things to change.

    "Husbands, fathers and brothers, they come for help," Hyneman told Sawyer. "They want a peaceful life... a family life and want to be able to support their children," rather than marry them off at a young age.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Fri, Mar 12, 2010, at 5:20 AM
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