The Taxman Cometh

Posted Monday, January 18, 2010, at 1:41 AM
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    Exactly. Start by taxing the church and you may end up with a surplus that boggles the mind. We could buy China.

    And by the way, the "State Run Media" just hired Sarah Palin as a talking head, so I still wonder what the Beck/Rush fans are in a tizzy about...

    -- Posted by Jaded American on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 11:35 AM
  • you do seem to be an expert on "silly", guill.

    if it weren't for the trucking industry, our roads would be in far worse shape. roads have been improved to accomodate the big trucks. they have strict regulations that keep weight down and safety up.

    we have the best roads in the world here in the usa. thanks.

    -- Posted by tiney56 on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 12:15 PM
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    Iggy - the Interstate Highway System was designed for trucking. Your Marxists professors failed to tell you this during your periods of leftist religious indoctrination.

    Truckers pay allot of taxes, taxes out the wazzoooo, but that is not the point. We all are taxed too **** much Guill. C'mon already. In most families, one spouse is working for the government.

    The US Government is: Corrupt, abusive, run by thieves and liars, out of control, way to big, full of fraud and waste, complicated, full of fat cats and manipulators, and now supported by voter fraud and deceptions.

    If every taxpayer had to write checks for their tax bill like the self employed, this government would fall tomorrow, and FDR knew that. That is why he decided, like the good little Socialist that he was, to steal the peoples money before they even see it. The whole tax refund system is a joke.

    Now we come to a point where the Obamunists have wasted a generation of money already, and there are more politics payoffs and bribes to be made, as well as the debacle of health care and cap and tax on the horizon.

    You libs/progressives crack me up. If you want to pay more in taxes, then who the hell is stopping you?!?! Pay more! Give more! If you bleeding hearts actaully cared for the folks, you would give of your own money. But it is not about helping people, is it Iggy? It's about power and control and hate. That is your modern day progressive. Power, control and hate.

    Point in fact. Black folks have overwhelmingly supported Democrat politicians for decades now. And yet, if you listen to the Guillermo's of the world, we are still a racist evil country. If you listen to the Guillermo's, white folks are just lurking out there, ready to be bigots in an instant. Freaking crazy!

    Government is out of control, more specifically, the left in America is out of control. They are spoiled thoughtless children who have seized power they did not earn, and now run amok in immature delusions.

    God help us.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 1:29 PM
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    GI, like all "compassionate" progressive/liberals out there supports the entitlement ideology of "helping" the poor. First you tell people they are victims, then you incrementally enslave them to your entitlements to the point where they no longer need to work and are still just poor enough to get by. Once this is accomplished you continue to tell them they are yet victims of whatever the latest hot-button issue is and then they will continue to vote for you even if it means they can only maintain the status quo of poverty. If they get control of your health care too, so much the better.

    Another key tenet to this devilish system is to then not offer the people any real hope, training, or educational assistance to try and help get out of poverty. If they do something about jobs it is not in the competitive private sector. No, instead it is to create another government job for which there are no real job requirements and from which they can't be laid off or even fired. The Intelligentsia's logic is, "it is just better to keep the ignorant masses enslaved, we will decide what is best for them".

    No, the progressives do not care to give a handup, but instead a handout. At least some wiser men like Bill Cosby have seen through the smokescreen of what this enslavement has done to the black community and spoken out. This is also the U.N. model which has kept millions around the world mired in poverty for decades. Once they get involved in helping with disaster relief, they then setup the perpetual handout system, which keeps people in tent camps indefinitely. Hey, at least it creates lifetime jobs for U.N. workers, right?

    Yes, this is the "Great Compassion" of the liberal/statist. As long as the government's hand is in someone else's pocket they are content. As the former Prime Minister of Great Britain once said, "Socialism is great until you run out of someone else's money". Is it any wonder that the Dems also give the least to charities? They don't truly care about people in need, and if they do happen to want their guilt assuaged, they want their government to handle it for them. So, now Obama wants to remove the tax deductions for charitable giving so that he will have control over who gets ALL the money and so the recipients will be beholden to him for their very existence.

    -- Posted by NebraskaMark on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 3:19 PM
  • I believe "ya'll" is intended in this situation to depict white people in a derogatory manner. I'm offended and I'd like to play my race card now please.

    -- Posted by Husker23 on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 3:21 PM
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    Very nice Husker. When do you get a check?

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 3:38 PM
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    Excellent Post Mark.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 3:40 PM
  • I think you (and your "ilk") established (in a prior blog) that one needs only to be offended in order for racism to occur. Facts, intent and common sense really have no bearing on it whatsoever. I'm offended...you're a racist. Let the bashing begin.

    -- Posted by Husker23 on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 4:05 PM
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    I understand the problem Sam, I wonder if there is any way out of the mess. Can you see this government ever rescinding the new powers it has bestowed upon itself? Can you see this government ever giving back freedoms they have stolen and are stealing as we speak? I am already preparing for tax season.

    Funny thing, when I lose money, I don't hear from the government too much. They don't seem to want to be my partners then. If I need help, they run, and point out that I am a private business. When I make money, then the government is right there, and suddenly we are partners, and I owe them more and more of money I earned.

    I don't see this government restoring the Constitution, or reducing in size or scope, unless forced to do so.

    -- Posted by Leo.Pold on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 4:06 PM
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    Possible dilemma for the European transportation model being applied to the U.S.:

    The landmass of the U.S. is 2 times the size of Western Europe.

    The population of the U.S. is just 308 million while Western Europe is 400 million.

    Darn those facts and figures...

    -- Posted by NebraskaMark on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 5:00 PM
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    Once again the secular humanist's lack of any substantive knowledge about the Bible and Christianity is apparent. Their proof texting is atrocious. The Bible says to give freely, but not foolishly, and not for the sake of an ulterior motive. True Christians pay their taxes, and give to charity much more than the hypocrites do. Look it up.

    Also, the faith-based aid agencies are the ones in already in place when the disasters happen, the local churches open their doors, and they the ones who help in a manner that works within the culture and not an imposed liberal western one. They help with a handup and not a handout and based on a biblical model. There is an old proverb which applies here: "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime."

    -- Posted by NebraskaMark on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 5:26 PM
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    Joe -- just take it with a grain of salt...

    You know that those who use profanity to excess do so because they lack a way of expressing themselves in a meaningful way. There are others who use insults to cover up for their lack of substance in a debate and to hopefully cause the person with a sense of morality to back down. Sorry, doesn't work with this guy! Especially when it comes to those who condone the extermination of unborn babies.

    -- Posted by NebraskaMark on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 5:33 PM
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    Buck and Mark - Do not expect that the libs/progressives will let a little thing like truth get in the way of their thinking.

    HELLO CARL! - for once we may agree. I have always been concerned for this "tax-exempt" status for Churches. That was a big mistake. Why do you think the Christian church in America today is so impotent and basically useless?

    And this is gonna sound harsh, but it is what it is, the Christian movement sold much of its soul for a lousy tax exempt status.

    Christians weren't thinking when they did this. It was a lousy move.

    It will not be long before the Bible will be declared hate speech, and pastors will be told the Gestapo IRS will investigate and harass them if they speak out against government sponsored or government promoted evils.

    Churches should tell the IRS to take their tax exempt status and stick it!

    Man alive! You want to talk about a Church that would grow in the power of God? Holy freaking cow! Now there is a Church that would stand and God could move through a Church like that.

    You Pastors that want to see power in your Church, try trusting God instead of your Tax exempt status. You'll see God move once you trust Him.

    But - buildings take money. Nice lawns take money. The Pastor, the Youth Minister, the Music director, the utilities, the Secretary, they all take money. So, they don't rock the boat, at least not very much.

    But Carl, I enjoyed your typical lame *** respond however. Predictable and almost laughable. That is the best you can come up with? You're slipping buddy.

    And Carl, you still haven't told us why God should Bless America.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 6:22 PM
  • Gearjammer,

    It ain't the taxes you worry about that need to be levied.

    Taxes on corrupt corporate swindlers who get people working for free -- and then stiff them -- ala De Boers of Wisconsin and Arrow of Oklahoma; while the major banks con free money from John Q. Publico and heap multi-million dollar bonuses on the crooks in charge.

    As for your list, there might have to be some adjustment.

    Big oil -- After gaining a few Trillion in windfalls during the Halliburton Valhalla years with Big Oil's very own White House and VEEP, they could afford a little evening of the tax load.

    Big timber -- doesn't exist in the US of A since the Poppa Bush years, when virtually the entire U.S. timber industry was drawn and quartered:

    Big fishing -- Still some in Alaska, but the giveaways to Japan under Reagan, Poppa Bush, Nixon and DubYah have kind of decimated the U.S. fishing industry.

    Big tobacco -- Don't look now, but their new title is "Short Smokes."

    Big banking -- It would be a novelty for those fellow to pay their own way, instead of you and me having to underwrite their stupidities and executive bonuses.

    Big energy -- Do we get to start with OPEC, the much merged Seven Sisters, and their profiteering during DubYah's regime. $5.50 gasoline, $6.00 diesel. How about the Thunder Basin and Powder Basin boys paying Wyoming and Montana some severance taxes for all the mineral wealth being hauled through North Platte.

    Big manufacturing - Most of it gone elsewhere, established in corporate structures in countries without taxes, or defense programs or useless things like hospitals, police and fire protection, schools and minimum wage laws.

    Big health care -- Will admit, having known doctors three years out of their internships or residency and complaining about being forced to work four days weekly to take home a quarter million -- while their nurses had to work two jobs to survive.

    Big insurance -- do we get to include the Health Insurors $12.5-Billion in collective net profits realized in 2008?

    ONE YOU SEEM TO FORGET --

    HUMUNGOUS CORPORATE EXECUTIVE SALARIES BONUSES, PERKS AND STOCK OPTIONS.

    Average Red Willow County family of five, privileged to loan the half-dozen biggest banks and one insuror about $400,000 at low interest.

    Because these geniuses invested a few hundred million lobbying for extreme deregulation, which permitted them to issue derivaties and Sub-Prime Morthage Based Securities -- and cheat customers for that gargabe out of TENS OF TRILLIONS.

    Jammer, Remind me to start being kinder and gentler with you. Since your concern is strictly for the ultra-wealthy, Billionaires and Multi-National corporations,it is obvious you are planning to be wealthier than Warren Buffet.

    Only logical you would be favoring tax laws and such which will favor you in your great wealth.

    Keep up the good work, I'll hope for your success in getting all these BILLIONAIRE Protection Codes into law.

    What we need is more Billionaires and Lawyers.

    Of course the problem has been and is, too many of those lawyers are working for the corporations and Millionaire and Billionaires helping draft new laws which will let them keep more than 99% of all their wealth.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 6:38 PM
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    And Carl - I do not like you comparing me to Al Queda. That is BS. Who have I murdered you chump? What innocents have I slaughtered? What women have I kept in submission? You sound like Rosie O'Donnell Carl, and that ain't good.

    If any one is responsible for death in this country Carl, it is leftists like you, that turn their heads while millions of babies are killed. Now you want to add seniors to the death toll, and you compare me to Al Queda?

    How can we take you seriously when you say such stupid things? You think baby murder is okay as long as you don't do it. That's nuts, and you know it.

    Step up your game.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 6:40 PM
  • Well Jose el grande Buck,

    You just reminded me of what a terrible socialist I must be.

    Cannot understand how I allowed myself to sign contracts this past week to partner in a new business headquartered about 1500 miles away.

    Let me point out one little detail, Jose.

    I operated my first small, three-acre business in 1937 -- banked about $35 in October from it.

    By the time I was 14, when the average daily wage in farming and ranching was $1.00 per day,somehow this raving socialist had banked more than $11,000.

    Totally betraying my socialist tendencies with more pure capitalistic profit in those few years, than the average top-hand could have earned full-time. Guess I learned a different brand of socialism.

    The difference between Thee and Me is quite simple.

    You operate from some unyielding mental position, with facts beiing totally unimportant.

    I learned early on to consider all aspects of any issue, list the FACTS, organize PROS, CONS and even "indifferent" matters -- and decide based upon reality -- not what I wanted.

    Fifty years ago, Senator Hubert Humphrey tried to get welfare reform introduced.

    "Every person, can contribute something to his or her own support. If they seek public assistance, their ability to work in some way will be determined and they WILL WORK to RECEIVE PUBLIC AID.

    If a single mother with three children needed PUBLIC HELP, and because she dropped out of school between grades Seven and Ten,to produce babies and lacking skills as a result -- She would report to job-training classes on a regular schedule -- until she could earn.

    But Sen. Humphrey wanted all Welfare and other Public Aid recipients to earn their public income with work.

    Guess who stopped the plan in its tracks?

    Congressional Republicans, because they did not want an intelligent Work Fare program pulling anyone away from 35-40 cent per hour jobs with their conservative business friends.

    Ironically, it was the partnership between those Conservatives and Liberals who objected to the very idea of "having to work to get public money," which killed the proposal.

    The political opposites joined forces, each group for their own selfish interests.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 8:19 PM
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    Carl - really lame again. I'm going to give up on you Carl, unless you step it up.

    That is your answer to the murder of fifty million, "the world moves on"? Pathetic.

    You support Obamacare, and that includes the rationing of old folks to death. If you want to plead ignorance, go ahead. I already understand your ignorance. Just like with the slaughter of the unborn, you'll try to wash your hands of the efforts you made to bring about the premature death of seniors. You support liberalism, and liberalism kills.

    And God should bless America because of Fox News Carl? What a lame response.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 11:58 PM
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    Reformed Right Winger - Just curious, were you ever gay?

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Tue, Jan 19, 2010, at 12:00 AM
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    Guillermo - we need no lectures from you on how to be a Christian. Thanks, but no thanks.

    Your assertions that those who oppose the greed displayed by you, and Obama, are the greedy ones, is typical liberal double talk dung.

    I understand your incredible generosity...with my money. I'll pass on that one too. If you want to give your money, who the hell is stopping you Guillermo? Give your money to the poor. I doubt you do, as you make demands that other people give their money, to make you feel better.

    That is sick, that is libs/progressives, that is you. The over-government, the over-taxation, the raping of the Constitution, going on by the Obamunists, is foul, and plain evil.

    Every time you speak on here Guillermo, you prove that liberalism is nasty, empty-headed, phony and greedy.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Tue, Jan 19, 2010, at 12:13 AM
  • Dang Gearjammer,

    Sure am glad to see you sticking to the principles of no name-calling, derogatory comments, insults or any of that negative Equine Excrement.

    Have you noticed in your devotion to conservative principles, that since federal deregulation hit the trucking industry, scams against drivers and the working stiffs in the industry have soared?

    There was a time when the ICC could put a stop to management pulling an "Arrow shutdown" and shafting the drivers.

    Now, drivers must go to the state labor people in the state where the company is headquartered.

    Which may explain why some companies will go to extreme lengths to avoid hiring drivers from their home state or adjacent states.

    If the driver has to hire a lawyer 1,000 to 2,000 miles from his home, travel back and forth for various state hearings, and endure uncompensated travel and hotel expenses, meals, etc. He is much less likely to pursue a claim for moneys owed.

    That's a direct result of deregulation, getting less government for drivers.

    That and other nonsense allowed in recent years is one big reason why tens of thousands of big-rigs re sitting in consignment sales lots in many states.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Tue, Jan 19, 2010, at 8:42 AM
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    I must have missed something somewhere in these long threads, but where did the gay thing come from anyways, Sam?

    And it's a relief to know that Husker can keep it nice and classy: in a scared, sheltered little-guy sort of way.

    -- Posted by Jaded American on Tue, Jan 19, 2010, at 11:50 AM
  • I was curoious about the powers that this government has granted themselves. Exactly what are they?

    -- Posted by president obama on Tue, Jan 19, 2010, at 12:33 PM
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    Government taxation is out of control, because government is out of control. Hubby noticed something I'd like to point out. The industries the liberals hate are industries which actually produce something of value. The industries the liberals love really don't give us much of anything but high bills to pay.

    -- Posted by CandyKilroy on Tue, Jan 19, 2010, at 3:07 PM
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    Reformed Right Winger - You're question was an arrogant question, and it deserved the answer I gave you.

    Is any man or woman's opinion diminished because they may or may not have gone to college? I have experience in college alright, as I get to PAY for it!

    Five children went to college in five different states, Washington, Oregon, Nebraska, Missouri, and Virginia. All report the same thing, along with their friends, that the vast majority of professors are not just liberal, but extreme left winger.

    One of my son's friend wrote a letter to the Oberlin Herald a few years ago explaining that his statistics Professor at a Kansas University went into a twenty minute anti_Bush diatribe talking about the syllabus! In a Statistics class.

    Your question was straight out of the Guillermo progressive elite handbook.

    There is mostly indoctrination that goes on in college nowadays, and I'm sick of it. If you want to bathe in leftist religious indoctrination, go ahead, but I am tired of paying for it.

    I remember the first day of my Psychology class in college, way back when. The goofy professor was more interested in making advances at the girls in class, and trashing religion. His opening statement was that religion, especially Christianity was a fraud, and if we wanted to get a decent grade in his class, we had better accept his point of view. I fought with him every day, until I was thrown out of class.

    My kids all had to decide on their own how they would approach the progressive indoctrination that goes on in colleges. Some choose to ignore it and play along, some choose to fight it. I encouraged them to do what they felt best for their futures.

    Don't pull any of your elite arrogance crap with me. I don't buy it. In fact, I find that more time many people spend in today's colleges, the dumber they get.

    Just look at Guillermo. He is sooooooo educated, and soooooooooo smart that he thinks it is perfectly fine to rob our grandchildren to buy political power today. That takes years of brainwashing, courtesy of American Colleges, teaching a entire generation to hate their own country.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Tue, Jan 19, 2010, at 5:11 PM
  • Jose,

    Don't get too proud of them bean staters.

    The Democratic Party bosses pushed a pure party hack with great legs as a Senate candidate.

    That unknown Republican ran on his own and carried a lifetime of service. Brown went into the race with legitimate, serious credentials.

    The miracle was that he managed to remind enough people in the short time allowed.

    My only problem is that no matter which way the state went, they were going to get a modern, lock-step-with-party slave.

    Where is Tip O'Neil when we need him?

    Or Robert Taft, or Arthur Vandenberg of Michigan, or Mo and Stew Udall, or Frank Church?

    We need people in D.C. who have honor, principles and ethics and understand they were elected to work together and get the job done -- not devote 100% of their time making the other guys look bad.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Wed, Jan 20, 2010, at 12:54 AM
  • "And it's a relief to know that Husker can keep it nice and classy: in a scared, sheltered little-guy sort of way."

    Are you anti-dwarf?

    -- Posted by Husker23 on Wed, Jan 20, 2010, at 9:42 AM
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    Hahaha, good one.

    -- Posted by Jaded American on Wed, Jan 20, 2010, at 10:16 AM
  • Back in 1985, I had to swing south to Yuma to service a major end user account with a sizable alluvial deposit gold mine out in the Arizona Desert.

    Left Yuma at 1 a.m. Sunday with temperatures above 100. Straight up through eastern Nevada, across to Fort McDermid and into eastern Oregon, then up to Cheney, west of Spokane.

    Entire trip, I didn't pass within 20 miles of a half-million total population, even with southern Nevada, the Snake and Columbia River valleys, in traveling almost 1,000 miles. Tuesday morning temps at Cheney, 17 degrees. Almost 80 degree difference.

    In '85, drove from Fallon, NV to Fruita, CO, in a 24 hour run. Didn't pass within 20 miles of 20,000 people on the entire run of more than 600 miles.

    Providing an INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM to move military forces rapidly coast to coast and Canada to Mexico was a major reason for Ike's.

    Find one region of Europe, outside Russia where such distances without sizable population numbers is possible.

    Having driven nearly every highway west of the Mississippi and a serious share of all highways in the east, I'm well aware most of the Interstate Freeway system is seriously damaged. Miami, FL to Albany, NY or Portland, ME provide major problems. as are Birminghan, Al to Saginaw, Michigan.

    I-40 in northwest North Carolina as closed for weeks this winter.

    Puh-leeze don't compare US-highway quality with Europe

    From London via the CHUNNEL, to Berlin is less than a day, traveling with 20-miles of about 30-Million people.

    Raleigh, NC to Charlotte, NC is about 3.5 hours max, traveling through cities and towns constantly and within 20 miles of millions.

    Compare apples to apples, persimmons to persimmons, grapes to grapes.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Wed, Jan 20, 2010, at 3:36 PM
  • Hey Guill,I'd put my money on a man like Sam versus a man like you any day....

    -- Posted by orville on Sat, Feb 6, 2010, at 5:47 PM
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