Battered Taxpayer Syndrome

Posted Friday, December 11, 2009, at 6:55 AM
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  • Nebraska recieves $1.10 in federal money for every federal tax dollar it sends to the government(as of FY 2005). In fact, of all the states that recieve more federal money than federal taxes sent in, 32 in total, 75% of those states have voted for a "conservative" candidate in three out of the four last presidential elections.

    Liberal states like New Jersey ($0.61 for every federal tax dollar sent in), Connecticut ($0.69 for every federal tax dollar sent in), and New Hampshire ($0.71 for every federal tax dollar sent in) seem to be better ran states than conservative stalwarts like Mississippi ($2.02 for every federal tax dollar sent in) and Alaska ($1.84 for every federal tax dollar sent in).

    So much for the "rape of the conservative taxpayer".

    "Conservatives" talk a lot of smack about fiscal responsibilty. Like most everything they say, it just doesn't hold water.

    -- Posted by jeffhager on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 9:08 AM
  • You've got to love Obama's "lowering" of taxes for 95% of paycheck is almost a dollar a week higher!!!! Oh, but I'll end up paying a lot more when the taxes on my health insurance kick in. And I'm paying more in state taxes these days. And I'm paying more in local taxes. And I'm donating more to local food banks and other charities because so many people are out of work.

    Let's NOT mention the fact that Obama's spending spree has NOT created jobs. Nor that he's managed to spend more in his first year than Bush ever dreamed of spending. Or that Obama's programs are mostly never-ending entitlements rather than a war that will eventually stop costing us any money.

    Jeff, let's also not mention that DC manages to rake in over $5 for every dollar they pay. After all, we can't slime the extreme-left, right?

    -- Posted by MrsSmith on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 10:37 AM
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    Jeff and Fredd act just like some abused women. They will defend their abusers to the very end, refusing to do anything about the abuse. Never do they address the murder of children, nor the impending death of seniors. Like robotic sheep, they beg to be led to slaughter. Excellent post Sam. Thanks.

    -- Posted by CandyKilroy on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 10:57 AM
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    Fredd - do you have a life at all? Or is your life just hate? 24-7-365 hate hate hate. You really need to get a life fredd.

    -- Posted by CandyKilroy on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 10:59 AM
  • I don't know where your source is that says the federal government takes in $5 for every one it sends out, but I invite you to post it.

    Mrs Kilroy, do you have anything productive to add to the blog or....?

    -- Posted by jeffhager on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 11:19 AM
  • My mistake Mrs Smith, you were referring to District of Columbia.

    -- Posted by jeffhager on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 11:51 AM
  • I hear it is very cold in McCook. Stay warm everyone!

    It was almost 70 degrees here in Cairo and it sprinkled a little. Thats a rare sight here in Egypt.

    -- Posted by jeffhager on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 11:54 AM
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    I find your blog today to be in ill-taste, more so than it often is. How quaint and clever you are to belittle victims of abuse. If you want to make a point about taxation and poor spending I believe there are numerous better ways to present your ideas.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 3:12 PM
  • Mrs. Smith,

    How it it that more than 88% of the OBAMA SPENDING SPREE was appropriated with DubYah and the Draft Dodgers in control in 2008, and you still shovel your nonsense.

    The two Bushes, each in his own time, piled up more federal debt that all previous presidents.

    George Herbert Walker Bush's debt accumulation exceeded the combined total of every president who preceded him.

    That WASTREL LIBERAL BILL CLINTON AND HIS WILD-SPENDING V.P. AL GORE -- reduced the federal payroll by six figures-plus, and cut the deficit while reducing the debt.

    Just a couple of wild-spending liberals!!!

    Then along came BUSH II, who kept us in two wars, Afghanistan for nearly seven years, Iraq for six years.

    BUSH/CHENEY Enron buddies were using the White House as their D.C. lobbying headquarters and Halliburton/KBR were using the U.S.Treasury as a corporate vault--They ran up federal debt beyond all previous presidents, including Poppa Bush.

    The BUSH DYNASTY has created combat in Panama, Somalia, Grenada, Haiti, Iraq (Twice) and Afghanistan.

    With Iraq and Afghanistan --EACH -- Our men have been in combat longer than during WWII and WWI combined.

    The BUSH DYNASTY produced two major recessions, farm, home and business foreclosures with the S&L disaster for Poppa Bush; Total economic collapse, bank and auto industry bailouts and the AIG bailout for DubYah, with massive unemployment created by BUSH/CHENEY.




    He has been forced to clean up the GOP mess, just as FDR was left to clean up after Hoobert Heever.

    Obama did not ram through the Halliburton/KBR No-Bid Sweeheart contracts for Shotgun Cheney's old corporate oil-patch buddies.

    KBR has been found to have fraudulently billed the Pentagon for more than $100-Billion, while also constructing buildings with $1.00 per day third world labor -- BUILDINGS WHICH HAVE CAUSED THE ELECTROCUTION OF MORE THAN THREE DOZEN OF OUR YOUNG MILITARY LIVES!!!

    While you sit there with your personally applied Cranial Rectal Suppository declaring Obama guilty of all of DubYah's wild spending.

    The economic collapse has been stopped, several of the banks have already repaid their bailout loans, because the management clowns did not want to live with the Obama administration's restrictions on executive pay.

    So long as your money went to them without any strings with DubYah, they wanted all the low-interest bail-out bucks they could get and keep forever.

    Restrict bonuses and bucks to the bank executives, and they are repaying those loans pronto.

    Simple reality, if the GOP had won with McCain, the banks would not even consider repaying that bailout money -- there would have been no incentive.

    For you and Candy, and your wonderful Neo-Con friends to scream Bush's spending was wild and crazy -- but putting the blame for DubYah's waste on President Obama is the height of hypocracy -- and ignorance.

    I have many friends today who are between 48 and 62 years of age, wiped out of business, wiped out of jobs, wiped out of homes and left with no health insurance.

    They are educated, aware, informed and well aware their present situation is due to the Bush/Cheney bunch they voted for -- TWICE.

    Try telling a 51-year-old man who lost his entire $5-Million business estate to this mess, that he should go without health insurance for another decade, because your intellect is frozen with fear.

    He is lucky, because he had one truck left from a fleet of 40 vehicles and is providing Solid Waste Disposal service for a large rural area.

    He drives out to the service area, his wife takes the wheel and he and one of his former foremen, work the back of the truck.

    Guess what, as a garbage man he has become a devote Obama fan.

    Two years ago, he was County Chairman for McCain.

    That man has studied the entire Health Care Reform Bill as proposed in the Senate and read most of the House's final bill.

    He is a formerly DEVOUT conservative Republican.

    Don't try feeding him your nonsense about how Health Care Reform will destroy America.

    Five years ago, his face turned scarlet when I laughed about DubYah being known in Midland/Odessa as the Village Drunk.

    He was still insisting Bush/Cheney had nothing to do with $5.50 gasoline, when the Wall Street Journal revealed those prices were being charged during an extended period of surplus crude oil supplies.

    Forty trucks burning $5.50 gas and $6.25 diesel!!

    Quit damming Obama for Republican stupidity!!!

    Somehow, this administration has stopped the economic slide and things are leveling off.

    With Congressional cooperation, we will see the jobs situation improving by February and March.

    WITHOUT having the 1940 equivalent of 5.5-Million men in CCC and WPA jobs.

    It the U.S. matched that history proportionately with our present population, as compared with 1934-40, there would be more than 18-Million men in CCC/WPA type jobs next year.

    That does not include the vast difference in the percentage of women working outside the home in the 1930s. You could add 10-Million women into CCC and WPA.

    Either is clearly impossible. The economic restart must come from assistance to private industry and business.

    This past weekend another Free Clinic treated more than 2,000 people in one location.

    Our perfect Health Care system has left millions without any way to receive medical care.

    Yet, smug experts insist reform is government control.

    And at the same time, everyone of you experts demand the right to extend government control into every bedroom,doctor's office and hospital in the nation to satisfy your theology.

    I don't want anyone telling my children and grandchildren how to live their private lives.

    But you people -- Always negative thinking.

    NEVER positive action.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 4:49 PM
  • Maybe we should let congress give themselves raises of $1,000,000. In theory there would be less incentive to take on additional money/gifts from lobbyists. Instead of them paying for their trips to Cancun, the taxpayers do. Maybe then politicians will think of the taxpayers a little more.

    -- Posted by npwinder on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 6:08 PM
  • Fredd,

    You don't actually expect a response to facts, do you?

    The only response you will see from them is --- that -- "Hank don't post sources!!"

    I have repeatedly -- Wall Street Journal, Barrons, The ECONOMIST, Forbes, Business Week, CNN and other reputable, professional information gatherers-processors-distributors.

    I'm not going to cut and paste from a single political-slant website -- and call that a source.

    Those websites are not legitimate sources, but propaganda unit.

    You've never seen me quote any of the Democratic websites or email offerings. They are no less biased than the John Birch Society or KKK sites, just tend to an opposite direction.

    Rupert Murdoch owns WSJ, but was forced to guarantee "Hands Off" of news and opinion content.

    The WSJ remains impartially professional -- even if clearly tilting toward conservative business viewpoints. The Forbes heirs tend to go off kilter with opinions, although they leave the competent professional editorial staff alone.

    The Economist -- Difficult to stay awake long reading their pedantic style, but when you do finish a copy, you have received PURE FACT.

    CNN -- about as subtle as Ted Turner, but they report all sides, frequently erring on the side of reporting more than anyone wants or needs to know.

    Christianne Ammapour is without question, one of the finest journalists within modern history.

    She has demonstrated unflinching courage pursuing facts and honest news and is brutally honest.

    Her new gig, with interviews of everyone with solid knowledge, is a must for me.

    For the most part to a huge extent -- those espousing uber-conservative thoughts are hard working, essentially honest, "salt of the earth" people. The kind of people who join me for coffee most mornings in the local "Old Farts Club."

    Far too many of them only think in established patterns, believing carefully crafted propaganda.

    They did not consider in the 1930s, the 1940s, the 1950s or the 1960s -- or since -- that most of the ultra-conservative "voices" are financed by Billionaires, who primarily inherited wealth.

    The exception usually comes with resource development and exploitation.

    But then consider the "Oracle of Omaha" -- the incredible Warren Buffett, and his young disciple Bill Gates.

    They built massive fortunes with brains, hard work and dedication. Between the two of them, they have created as much wealth for others as any two men in history.

    Yet they have joined to use 90% of their combined personal wealth for the good of all humanity.

    Gates married an intellectual peer, who is joyfully participating in the good works.


    They did not cheat, lie or steal.

    They are not using a tiny portion of that wealth to buy some media clown as a mouthpiece for selfishly narrow and hugely negative preaching.

    That is exactly how we have been plagued with Limburger, Beck, Savage, Hannity, Coulter and the entire crowd of nonsense spewing con artists.

    Rich men have served as patrons for these idiots.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 7:50 AM
  • I did not read anything about liberal or conservative, republican or democrat, right or left in the original post. Government in general has become irresponsible. This is like blaming the victim.

    Not only does by the people for the people carry almost no weight, it seems to me that any real discussion taking place in Washignton looks at this concept like a) wishful thinking at best or b) an idea to be abandoned altogether or twisted and then used as a pretense to do anything but.

    -- Posted by expo44 on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 9:05 AM
  • So in reality hank, yout just a bitter and jealous old man.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 11:13 AM
  • Summery of all of fredd's posts:

    sam the sham flim flam man afraid of me.

    listeners of rush/beck/savage are sheeples.

    sara palin is stupid.

    republicans are stupid.

    conservatives are stupid and sheeples.

    bla bla bla


    For proof, look at all of his posts.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 12:27 PM
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    SWNEBR Transplant - I disagree with you. The hallmarks of abuse are similar. If you had a relationship, in which one party constantly robbed the other party, that is abuse. If it is not abuse, then what is it?

    Kenneth Lay and Bernie Madoff are mere punk thugs compared to the oligarchy controlling the United States government.

    Our government has become a leviathan, a monster that demands more, and more, a monster that controls more and more. As Candy pointed out, none of you who oppose me, can or will defend the murder of 3000 babies every day. We are just suppose to ignore it, and if the government stands by while innocents are slaughtered, what do you call it, if not abuse?

    Now, you leftists ask us to support this health care plan, in which old people are going to be asked, or even told, to go ahead and die already. That is abuse, in my opinion, and you are entitled to yours.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 5:26 PM
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    Candy - at times, I have felt just like you, that fredd(carl-guillermo) are full of hate, but I have begin to realize that, more than hate, it is a complete brainwashing. They have been programmed to react to reason with hostility. Instead of being mad at them, anymore, I feel sorry for them. Years of educational malpractice, years of hateful dogma from leftists leaders, it is a wonder they can think at all.

    They are frightened, and like a cornered animal, and they lash out with what they know. Unfortunately, all they have been taught is hatred of fellow Americans, hatred of themselves (you know, the whole people are bad for the planet nonsense) and hatred of those who oppose them. One day, they will realize that they have been lied to, and taken advantage of. Some will repent, others will dive into bitterness.

    The fact remains that millions, if not billions have been spent to prop up Barack Obama, and millions, if not billions, have been spent to tear down Sarah Palin, and yet they are almost equal in popularity.

    Candy, you and I both know that the left is afraid of any woman like Sarah Palin, who has become successful without hating men, or sucessful without the help of affirmative action, or the leftist political hate machine. The more they rail against Palin, the more she rises in popularity.

    Thanks for your comments, and we can both be thankful that we do not (think like fredd (carl-guillermo)

    Oh, and Candy, you know how they denigrate you about going to your hubby to be told what to do? Think about that for a minute. Why do you think they do that? The song, "Another Brick in The Wall" from Pink Floyd comes to mind.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 5:43 PM
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    Excuse me, I had to laugh my BLEEP off at the notion that Obama has lowered taxes. I don't care who you are, that's funny.

    You liberals keep defending Obama and the left, and as his credibility dwindles on a daily basis, so will yours.

    JeFF! C'mon buddy, don't descend into the liberal hell these others live in. I sense you are above that.

    Jeff! Do you think that the US Government is too big, too small, or just right?

    The other day Sean Hannity had a Democrat Congressman on his radio show. Eleven times, that is right, eleven times, Sean asked the Democrat Congressman if evil exist in the world. The Democrat Congressman did not answer, avoided the answer, etc. So I want to ask you that question. Does evil exist in the world? What is your answer?

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 5:56 PM
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    Chunky, Sean, Expo, Mrs Smith, thanks for your comments and time reading.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 5:57 PM
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    Hi Sam, I wondered where you have been. I like your post very much, and I understand what you did, and I agree to a great extent.

    I will take exception though to your follow up comments that the liberals commenting on here are brainwashed. It could be that they actually believe in liberalism or leftist thinking. Maybe they did reach their truth through actual thought.

    All I am saying is you may be a bit harsh, and I know you have heard that comment before. However, considering some of Hanks comments, and Fredds rambling insults, I certainly can see why you would reach the conclusions you have.

    I do not agree with anything the liberals are saying, but, let's not jump into the same type of hateful rhetoric with which they enjoy. Fair enough?

    Your post was right on, and I don't agree with SW Transplant, the comparison works.

    -- Posted by Leo.Pold on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 6:30 PM
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    Hey there Leo - I was actually broke down and stranded near new Orleans for a few days. I found a brave mechanic, and he and I did a semi-major repair of my truck in a rainy truck parking lot, and it took us three days.

    I managed to nurse my wounded truck home.

    I know I am harsh sometimes. It may not seem like it, but I am working my harshness. I do not mind honest criticism, and I thank you for your critique.

    I confess to being confounded by liberal thinking. It is hard for me to understand the liberals' willingness to abandon freedom, and the leftist eagerness to believe the worst in ones own country, or in ones own humanity.

    When I stand against homosexuality, the liberals call it hate. Would I be expecting too much to think that they would believe that I reached my conclusions regarding homosexuality based upon actual thought instead of hate?

    Thanks Leo for your thoughts.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 7:07 PM
  • Sam,

    During my lifetime I have seen the federal and even state, county and city governments become bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger,bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger,bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger,bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger AND BIGGER.

    Tragically, a disproportionate share of the BIGGER came during the Good Ol' Ike, Nixon, Reagan, Ford, Poppa Bush and DubYah years.

    The Republican Party increased bureaucracies, special interest spending, budgets and presidents under every president and during every congress where the GOP had majority control.

    Consistently, their apologists kept up the drum beat about Democratic Waste, Spending and Big Government.

    Yet you, saintly Ol' Chunky, Mrs. Smith, Leo Polo, Candy, et al continually **** all Democrats and Progressive Liberals with every stock conceived slur and insult you can glean from your divine Neo-Con radio hosts.

    Chunky is so vitriolic he is laughable.

    He returns about once weekly to claiming I am an angry, jealous old man.

    When the reality is I AM DISGUSTED that we still have a small, virulent population of mindless uber-conservatives who apparently believe Nazi/Communist, Socialist/Fascist and Muslim/Athiest are intelligent labels to be used as insults.

    As for jealous. OF WHAT???

    Certainly, not of lives so empty you can't imagine reading serious financial, business and political reports.

    Certainly not of obviously empty lives, when my own life after nearly eight decades is so full and still productive.

    Chunky, I just completed a drive through three states inspecting and showing property, while looking for the best value in 2004-2007 big rig tractors and 53' dry box van trailers for a friend.

    In between, I found housing for a career serviceman and his family in his new station. They enquired about one of my homes, which was about 45 minutes too far away from his base and family services after he leaves in March for Afghanistan.

    Having to go there anyway, I stayed two nights close to the base and used my contacts to find them a renovated five bedroom farm home, where his wife can cover rent with bookkeeping for the farm, in addition to earning an extra $2,000 monthly, with jobs for the older kids when they want them. Plus they have barns and pens for 4-H animals.

    Chunky, I've never met those people. Expect to in January. Doing that little bit for them guarantees me a great Holiday Season.

    If that makes me angry, JEALOUS and bitter, so be it.

    I would suggest you look in a mirror and THINK.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 7:07 PM
  • Hmm, Hank spends all his spare time supposedly helping other find homes on all this supposed properties he owns in a three state area. And while trying to find a tractor/trailer rig. Yet he still finds time to read and react to all the Gazettes blog and editorials.

    I actually know many people who actually do the things Hank claims he does. And one thing they DON'T do is sit around and fret about the past. When they do, it's only positive, no matter what outcome was. But they NEVER BITTERLY complain about the past and they are NEVER jealous of what other people have, no matter how they got it. Either you, Hank, are the very rare exception to these rules, or you are a phony.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 8:19 PM
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    Chunky - I once told Hank that he was too long in the tooth to be eaten up with such envy. Then he responded, "what am I envious of, you?"

    That was a cheap shot, but expected. What I see in Hanks' envy, is the anger he seems to display because, as Creedence sang, "I ain't no Senators son."

    I know the son of a poor pig farmer, who may be the most blessed man I ever knew. Life has done nothing but throw him nasty curve balls, and he keeps hitting homers.

    Some, who are born into poverty, choose to rail against the unfairness of it all. Others, count their blessings, and march on with a smile on their face, and determination in their heart.

    Would you agree that it is hard for any man to achieve true happiness until he learns to forgive?

    Also, the poorest man or woman born in America has is sooooooooo much better than most in the world. What have we to be unhappy about?

    Since there are so many in America with wealth envy, I contend that it is the poor who persecute the rich, not the other way around. Would you agree?

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 8:33 PM
  • Thank you Sam.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 8:56 PM
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    Chunky, You are appreciated. Thank You!

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sun, Dec 13, 2009, at 1:29 PM
  • Mr. Eldridge,

    I wished there had been a way to make your point without using the comparison to battered women. I am conflicted because the seriousness of your points were illustrated by the seriousness of the problem you linked it with.

    -- Posted by Gertrude on Mon, Dec 14, 2009, at 9:24 PM
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    Gertrude - Your comments are welcome. I defend my use of this example, because I think our big government has become every bit as harmful to the American family, as men beating women, or parents beating kids.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Tue, Dec 15, 2009, at 12:35 PM
  • Chunky & Company, et al;

    Simple fact, traveling -- rather than sit in a motel room watching what passes for TV content, the lap top keeps me up on what passes for conservative mentality around the country.

    Finding a home for an Afghanistan bound GI and his family involved calling two Farm Bureau county offices.

    Looking for a big rig involved stopping at a half dozen dealers, learning four are going out of business --with their properties jammed with consigned tractors and trailers from owner/operators who must find a new place for their idled rigs.

    Surprise, a few thousand older owner operators are quitting.

    Major companies are downsizing. several regionals I contacted about O/O contracts are out of business.

    All courtesey of Dubyah and the Draft Dodgers.

    Amazing thing, virtually all of these businessmen were conservative Republicans who voted for Poppa Bush,Reagan and DubYah.

    The operative word --WERE -- It does appear to stick in their craws, that they guy they supported is responsible for the political end of this mess.

    At least after the President took the 12 biggest banks into the White House woodshed yesterday, BOA announced they are going to go back to providing credit for small business and home buyers.

    A couple of major banks have announced esecutive pay has been cut to only about half a million tops, plus incentives of stock options which mature after five and ten years.

    So now instead of getting Fifty Million Dollar rewards for bankrupting their bank, these guys will have to produce profits for stockholders to earn bonuses.

    Gads, what a revolutionary Communist idea coming from the President you good ol' boys love to hate.

    Meantime Sam continues ranting about undeveloped nations making excessive demands upon Europe.

    Sam, along with African diamonds, slaves, copper,tin, agriculture products and timber -- where do you suppose those EU nations built their wealth?

    The Americans had about 100-Million population when Columbus discovered his short route to Asia.

    Spain,Portugal, England, France, Germany, Holland and Denmark extracted considerable wealth, using native populations for slave labor.

    Now why would those folks figure they deserve some of their own wealth back??

    England's royal family still controls vast sections of land,timber, mineral rights, oil fields and urban commercial properties world wide.

    a major portion of this wealth was stolen by force of arms.

    Why should the folks they stole from be unhappy?

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Tue, Dec 15, 2009, at 2:50 PM
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    Hank - this is risky, me talking to you, because I personally think talking to you can cause one to lose IQ points.

    But, once more, I am going to give it a try, Lord help me.

    You have time and time again, laid bare what you think America's sins are.

    What did we charge the world Hank for saving it's ***, once in WW1 and again, in a big way, in WW2.

    How much is that worth Hank? How much money did the United States get from Africa, for all our boys who spilled blood in their deserts Hank?

    What did France pay us Hank, for all those boys slaughtered on Omaha beach?

    You are not thinking right Hank! Not to long ago, the US, and some other Western countries gave billions, and trillions to third world countries under the guise of economic development. The third world owes us money you nitwit!

    WE don't owe them a **** dime. You libs crack me up. If you think we owe Africa money, go give them YOURS! What the hell are you waiting for Hank? Do it, do it now! Give your money to Africa. Put your money where your mouth is Hank!

    Quit being a phony do-gooder Hank.

    You send one half or your wealth today to Africa, or anyone else you feel we've wronged. According to you Hank, any money we have earned here in America is corrupted, so give your cash to Africa now. Right now Hank, before you post another comment, before you eat dinner, prove you believe the hogwash you spew.

    And I mean all that with the utmost Christian love of course.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Tue, Dec 15, 2009, at 4:55 PM
  • So, can we all come to an agreement, that the American taxpayer has been abused and neglected?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 19, 2009, at 9:40 AM
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