The Conservative Kennedy

Posted Saturday, December 5, 2009, at 1:23 AM
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    Two comments...

    fredd... That was a bit before my time, but I can't find anything to support your statement that Republicans were so happy...

    Sam quoted... "In your hands, my fellow citizens, more than in mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course." Sounds just like Obama, so what was your point on that one?

    -- Posted by Brian Hoag on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 8:24 AM
  • fredd,

    First off, you weren't there, and no republican would have cheered, because LBJ was next in line.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 11:18 AM
  • And you sir, are a liar.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 1:25 PM
  • Then why did you ask it?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 3:16 PM
  • Fredd, You're full of it!! Conservatives would not uncork the champagne if Obama was killed. We would mourn his loss as we did when JFK was killed. Believe it or not, we Conservatives still respect the office of the President no matter how we feel about the person who holds the office.

    I had the priveledge of meeting JFK when I was 15 years old in 1962 in Miami. My parents were there as well. They were both life long Conservatives. They were devastated by his murder, as was I.

    We Conservatives don't like the way he is running things. He has racked up a debt that my great grandchildren will be trying to pay off. Don't try to blame Bush for his TARP bill, or Cash for Clunkers, or the Great Obama Health Scare fiasco!! Mr. Bush has been a private citizen since January 20th.

    Fredd, I hope you're not a small business owner like I am. If Obama has his way, we will be a thing of the past. This great country wasn't built by or for the government. It was built by and for the people. They work for US, not the other way around. Next November there will be a definite change of power in the Congress. The Conservatives will take over the majority of both the Senate and the House of Representatives. Obama knows it, that is why he's trying to ramrod through every socialist bill he can. Our Founding Fathers are probably spinning in their graves right now.

    I, for one, hope that Obama lives a long life so he can try to explain to his 2 daughters why they can't afford to buy a house or new car because of the huge debt he racked up that they have to help pay off with confiscatory taxes.

    -- Posted by marcus elvis erogenous on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 10:40 PM
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    That was a new low, even for a reprobate like fredd. No one cheered when Kennedy was shot. Fredd you have shown the absolute insanity of leftist thinking.

    Marcus you know fredd isn't a business man. It takes more than the mouth of a punk to engage in business.

    I was there during the turmoil of the sixties, apparently fredd must have been on heavy drugs.

    Brian, thanks for your thoughtful comments, as usual. I will grant that President Obama has made similar comments as JFK. The difference I think is that Kennedy backed it up, supporting policies that encouraged business. You would have never seen JFK bowing to Muslim kings, nor can I find any evidence that JFK apologized to anyone, at anytime for the United States of America.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 11:02 PM
  • Hi Fredd

    Come on now fredd if you want your posts to have some weight you are going to have to add some links or something to prove your point.

    I have been searching the net trying to find some hint of the republican anger at Kennedy's death.

    If it was so obvious there would be a trail back to the source.

    without some type of back up your comments are just smoke in the wind.

    -- Posted by boojum666 on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 5:56 AM
  • Hi Fredd

    sorry about the incaccurate post

    "and yet I still rememmber the republicans were so happy when he was killed. Conservatives are slow thinking people, it takes them 40 or 50 years to come around. God Bless"

    this better?

    Now i see where i went wrong, i need to search for the blogs from 1963. :)

    could take some time though, Ie no computers, no internet no weblogs

    really though, can't find any specific articles written to document republicans being happy about RFK's assination.

    -- Posted by boojum666 on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 8:58 AM
  • fredd

    read thru this, a sample of some the information I've found. The hits are numerous for the subject of the JFK time period so I may have missed the definative post for Republican happiness over his death, but what I do find is a lot different from what you describe.


    In fact, he has proved to be an adept popularizer, often in advance of the serious press, of such economic arcana as the reading of the bond market and federal accounting by "current services baseline." His principal economic advisors are Lawrence Kudlow of Bear, Stearns and Thomas W. Hazlitt of the University of California at Davis, but a great many other people provide him with material which he proceeds to adapt to a popular audience. These include not only intellectual heavyweights like Bennett and George Will but the thousands of ordinary listeners who write to him, most of them via electronic mail. When a listener earlier this summer sent in a tape of a speech by John F. Kennedy to the New York Economic Club in 1962 in which Kennedy spoke of the economically mulative effect of tax cuts, Rush played the tape with his own annotations on the air and retroactively proclaimed Kennedy a dittohead."

    I don't think JFK was hated at all.

    -- Posted by boojum666 on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 12:41 PM
  • fredd/Guillermo,

    Just Goolgled "kennedy hatred jfk. Found a couple, probably started by some nuts in a garage or basement. No real organization. But the words John Birch Society popped up. Enough said fraudd.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 2:47 PM
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    Boojum - you have to realize that fredd is attempting to influence readers by foisting his opinion as fact. Fredd doesn't have a history of making lucid, cohesive points. Mostly he agrees with whichever mouthpiece happens to be spewing liberal vitriol at the moment. As such, you will travel in ever-expanding eccentric circles trying to pin fredd down, or asking him/her of demonstrating logic or reason.

    It's pointless to try and have a debate with someone who presents points based on emotions and feelings instead of facts. Another reason why you can't debate HerndonHank. It's interesting that fredd, with all his/her blustering, hasn't expressed any concern over the many liberals who wrote books, made movies, or made statements about wanting President Bush dead.

    Kennedy's philandering aside, he was a President I would put in the top 15 for the country considering our entire history; and would put him at about 4 or 5 for the last century.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 3:04 PM
  • Fredd/Guillermo, You are a lying sack of buffalo chips. You posted that I called Obama names that I never said. I would call that slander. You should be barred from this blog site!! You are all the things you claim I called Obama!!

    -- Posted by marcus elvis erogenous on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 9:34 PM
  • Mickel, you hit it spot on. It is pointless to have a thoughtful debate against people who substitute actual true thought with raw emotions and feelings. I have wasted a lot of time here just banging my head against a concrete wall of leftist liberalism. And truth be known, I'll probably waste more.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 10:27 PM
  • I am deeply offended by the claims that conservatives (read Republicans) celebrated the death of a president.

    My father, a dyed in the wool Republican (a trait he failed to pass onto his progeny), wept openly at JFK's death. Since I was but a child, that is my strongest memory and for people to claim otherwise dishonors my dad and dishonors anyone who disagrees with our current president, believing that we would somehow celebrate his demise when nothing could be further from the truth.

    -- Posted by newdawn on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 6:38 AM
  • Sam,

    Sure is great how this site does not allow name calling, vitriolic attacks or any of that stuff.

    The manner in which Chunky, MacLoud, boojum, Mickel, et al sling their attacks -- is plumb elevating.

    As for the 100% mourning on the part of conservatives from the deaths of JFK, MLK and Bobby Kennedy -- There was not universal or even a heavy majority of conservatives or any group celebrating those deaths.

    There were hate filled newspaper editorials, columns, letter to the editor and political stump speeches aplenty however.

    In California, The Santa Ana REGISTER was notorious at the time for vicious attack editorials, columnists and letters.

    In Arizona, the two dailies owned by Danny Quayle's grandfather, Eugene Pulliam, published some seriously questionable material in all areas.

    Birmingham, Alabama, Little Rock, Arkansas, and several other southern cities had newspapers where a general lack of common sense prevailed.

    And yes, there were open celebrations -- KKK Klaverns openly celebrated the deaths of that "Pope Worshipper" with JFK's death,and anyone can fill in the N-word used with Martin Luther King's death.

    Strangely, because the killer was caught immediattely with Bobby Kennedy's killing, and was from the Middle East -- there was less noise from the extreme right.

    Suggest you boys go back and read early 1963 through mid-1964 editorials, columns and letters from William Loeb's MANCHESTER GUARDIAN in New Hampshire.

    You will need to go to the libraries to find the Colorado Springs TELEGRAPH files from that era. Since that Freedom Newspaper's flagship closed this year.

    Many of the same editorials and columns appeared in most of the Freedom Group publications during that period.

    Yes boys, there were a lot of publications at that time which were printing "We told you so" and stronger attack statements.

    The FCC was still enforcing the "equal time" rules, which were largely scrapped between 2002 and 2009, by guess who.

    Be grateful, for the vast majority of U.S. citizens, the killings of both Kennedys and King were not to be celebrated, but grieved.

    The reality, those deaths provided incredible support for many of LBJ's "Great Society" programs.

    Of course, I have to really laugh at the Republicans going in front of cameras this week, decrying the politics involved with the health care reform .

    Maine's Snow may be the only GOP vote for any reform bill. Or she may vote against, with the rest of their "LOCK STEP" crowd.

    In the meantime, the attacks which started six months ago, continue without logic, rhyme or reason.

    The Republicans got nearly 170 amendments to the various drafts, while Democrats got about 30.

    Yet McCain screams, ".. we haven't been heard."

    When LBJ and Sam Rayburn were hustling bills through both houses on the same week they were introduced -- some dissenters back then had cause to complain. Knowing Johnson had effective control, most of them elected not to draw attention to themselves.

    But denying some obvious jubilation from some JFK political contrarians is not realistic.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 1:06 PM
  • Hi Hank

    You need to go back a re read what I write. I don't mock people by butchering their screen name that is your M.O.

    If I need to I will support my opinion with some research as you do sometimes.

    When I don't like what I read I will say something to the poster however there are sooo many i just pick on Fredd.

    "and yet I still rememmber the republicans were so happy when he was killed. Conservatives are slow thinking people, it takes them 40 or 50 years to come around. God Bless"

    Fredd this is your first post on this blog. I read it to be... the republicans. I am not sure how else to read it. You didn't say some,, a few, not many, half or any other indicator of less than all.

    I am sure I didn't find all the articles written however I didn't find any to support your contention "the republicans were so happy he was killed.

    with regards to the health care bill, the democrats can't even get it passed and they have the majority. I think all the current debate is a sham to make the public think that the dems really really care what we think. the dems could have passed it today if it wasn't such a clunker of a bill. Why does President Obama need to go in over the weekend to give them a pep talk? Perhaps it's because some democrats can't bring themselves to vote for this bill? really can't be any thing else.

    SEE YA

    -- Posted by boojum666 on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 6:12 PM
  • By the way, Thank you Carl

    May God Bless you.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 7:33 PM
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    Sean...for the love of's a blog. Type what you want to say and then re-read it after you have calmed down, brother.

    Christian people need to be accountable for thoughts, words and deeds. Sharpen your pencil, I know you can do it.

    (yaaawwwnnn) Hank - did you say something?

    -- Posted by Mickel on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 11:03 PM
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    fredd - your display of self-sanctimony concerning presidential demise is pretty sickening at best.

    I wouldn't bet an ice cube in Hades about your protestations of the books and films produced by the left concerning the (hoped) assasination of President Bush.

    The fact that you think abortion is right and normal is an adequate barometer concerning your true self.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Dec 8, 2009, at 12:23 PM
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    fredd - quite frankly, I'm not angry. I just find it disgusting that for the duration of this topic, you have touted yourself as some expert on the hatred of Kennedy because the span of your life happened to coincide with a historic event. My life happened to coincide with the landing of a lunar module on the moon - but I cannot give you more detail about it than my issue of National Geographic.

    At the same time, the bulk of those who share your political ideology have seriously eroded the level of respect for the Oval Office with hate and vitriol unmatched for the last eight years. And now the left's complaint list includes derision from the right for Barack Obama. Is it really possible to have it both ways? No. Relegating the complaint to mere belly aching.

    It is not a stretch to associate your personal ideology with your proclaimed political ideology and that of your liberal compadres. Hence, your concern that there would be dancing in the streets concerning Obama's demise smacks of both hypocrisy and false concern, and more rightly of some sort of self-centered entitlement to moral indignation.

    If you, however, are a liberal pro-lifer, then I apologize and will say that you are indeed a rare individual.

    If indeed I was wrong about your stance on protecting the life of the unborn, then you truly do have my deepest and most humble apology.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Dec 8, 2009, at 1:16 PM
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    fredd - no I didn't make it may want to do a search for Nicholson Baker's 2004 book, "Checkpoint". Rife with discussion on how to kill President Bush.

    Death of a President - was the name of the film depicting the assassination of George Bush. A thin veil of "it was only a 'what if' flick" followed a public outcry.

    In 2006 Nobel Peace laureate Betty Williams told an audience of children "Right now I would love to kill George Bush"...This from a woman who supports the IRA.

    In the UK Guardian, October of 2004 - a reporter lamented for past Presidential assassins to come back and take care of President Bush...

    Cindy Sheehan, in her book "Peace, Mom" fantasizes about killing Bush.

    Blogs and youtube videos and magazines abound originating from disturbed persons who share the common link of wanting George Bush dead.

    I'm not denying that there are many who wish ill on Barack Obama. I must confess I don't agree with his ideology or his agenda; and I completely disagree with how he is directing our nation. However, I would not and do not wish him dead. I believe that would make this country vulnerable...something I dearly hope never happens.

    I also have a problem with people bantying about words that they haven't fully considered the meaning or the ramifications of what they have said. Hence my rebuke of Sean. As a for instance, I cannot say that Barack Obama is a Nazi. However, I can freely examine in side by side fashion the steps of the Nazi regime and Obama's current agenda. If there are some I then wrong to point it out? Am I wrong to compare the wrest of control by both regime and administration?

    If you are truly disturbed by the upwardly trending deficit, fredd. I would then call your attention to the the plethora of programs initiated by the Obama administration and the wasteful nature of these programs. Surely that is for another topic and another time, but I would encourage you to consider this: Why would the government want to get its hands on one sixth of the wealth of this nation?

    Hope this information helps. I'm grateful for this interchange for the purpose of becoming more enlightened about your position.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Dec 8, 2009, at 11:07 PM
  • I was around when Kennedy was assasinated and I don't recall ANYONE celebrating. If Russia had not capitulated he would have followed thru. He would NOT have kissed anyones behind like hopey changey does now.

    -- Posted by Dinasaur on Wed, Dec 9, 2009, at 12:21 PM
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    Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I was a late reader of these posts. I understood your initial posts and strenuous defense to mean that in your eyes ALL republicans and conservatives celebrated Kennedy's death. I'm sure there were some fringe element who did celebrate, however, maybe we all need to be a little more careful with our inflamatory statements.

    -- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 11:30 AM
  • Gentlemen,Sam has been unable to get on line at this time.He will....

    -- Posted by orville on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 5:35 AM
  • Who was the Muslim king?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 12:04 PM
  • If you are in their country, do as their customs dictate. If the POTUS goes to Japan, bow to their leader, it shows respect. If their leader comes here, they should follow our customs, a simple handshake should do.

    Surely you're not suggesting something sexual was going on, were you?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 12:23 PM
  • Who was the terrorist?

    If you bothered to read my post above, you would have noticed I said if POTUS goes to another country, we observe their traditions and protocols. I think POTUS was in Japan, so he bowed, as their protocol dictates. You also should have noticed I never differentiated between Republican and democrats.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 3:20 PM
  • So who was this terrorist?

    No, I did NOT think it was funny when Fmr. President George H. W. Bush vomited on the Premier of Japan.

    And who is the terrorist?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 12, 2009, at 8:22 PM
  • I just googled "george bush kissing a terrorist" and came up with nothing. Come to think about it, it mirrors all of fredd's posts, nothing.

    If you, fredd, think the prince of Saudi Arabia is a terrorist, please by all means, contact your representative and senator and tell them of your findings.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sun, Dec 13, 2009, at 3:34 PM
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    You lie Fredd, I have never said, nor indicated that all Muslims are terrorists. As I pointed out on the other blog Fredd, I gave you a chance to engage in a real dialogue, and you urinated on that chance.

    I will no longer respond to your questions or comments.

    Chunky, I admire your efforts to engage in a discussion with freddcarlguillermo. You must have the patience of Job. Thanks for your time.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Sun, Dec 13, 2009, at 9:29 PM
  • I think all of our leaders need to stop trying to imitate the culture of the other countries of this world. We need to be repsectfull of their culture, then we need the represent the united states as what is truly is. This country is great because we have accepted people from all over the world who come here for the freedom the USA represents. We are all immigrants at some point in our ancestry and that diversity and desire for freedom is what has made us great.

    I think our leaders have lost track of that greatness.

    -- Posted by Fundin on Mon, Dec 14, 2009, at 5:50 PM
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    I need to comment on Fredds' statement on Rush Limbaugh.

    First, the "big fat liar" is silly. Rush has been heavy at times. I thought you libs were the ones with the sensitivity towards the chronically overweight. Rush has worked hard to loose allot of weight, and given more of an example and inspiration to fat folks than Oprah has.

    Rush is not a liar. In fact, considering the hordes of sheer nutcases, like fredd out there, Rush has to be, and is, highly accurate. They cannot defeat Rush in the arena of ideas, so they attack him personally.

    Yes Rush had a problem with pain pills, and may have violated some laws. He was the victim of intense over-investigation, (Tiger Woods got off easy) compared to the scrutiny Rush got. Your lord Obama, admitted to doing cocaine during the mysterious years at Columbia, hangin' with the Marxists. Up until this moment I have never mentioned it, but fredd brought up drugs.

    Going through his third divorce. That is Rush's personal life, and what business is it of fredds? Sounds to me like fredd is judgemental, and libs always tell us not to judge. I think his third divorce was over sometime ago, and I think Rush is enjoying life, as he pleases, with or without Viagra. Perhaps fredd thinks Rush stole his Viagra, I'm not sure.

    What Rush has always stood for, and liberals lie about, is personal responsibility, the Constitution, and Liberty in America. None of this is far right, but libs smear anyway.

    Now if someone has a positions of Rush's they want to take exception with, fine, but the kind of holier-than-thou diatribe fredd laid on, is hypocritical and crude.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Tue, Dec 15, 2009, at 5:16 PM
  • Too bad brother Teddy couldn't follow John's lead.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Tue, Dec 15, 2009, at 7:04 PM
  • Yes, I do.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Tue, Dec 15, 2009, at 7:57 PM
  • Ok Guillermo. And Goodnight.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Tue, Dec 15, 2009, at 10:07 PM
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    CPB - that guy should have thought his actions through. If he'd have gotten elected to public office - he could have just called it 'petty cash'!

    Remember the congressional mail room scandal in the '90's?

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Dec 15, 2009, at 10:16 PM
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    I don't believe that I have ever heard Rush Limbaugh claim to be perfect. I agree with you Sean.

    -- Posted by CandyKilroy on Wed, Dec 16, 2009, at 9:42 AM
  • So, is it agreed on that if Fmr. President John F. Kennedy were alive and running for office today, he would fit more into the mold of a Republican than a Democrat?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 19, 2009, at 9:28 AM
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