Ticked Off Jesus

Posted Friday, December 4, 2009, at 3:26 AM
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  • "Put your money where your mouth is..."

    As a liberal, shouldn't that be, "Put someone else's money where your mouth is..."?

    -- Posted by Husker23 on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 9:30 AM
  • Not violence, fredd, but courageous, outrageous, lavish love -- love that dares to speak the truth, love that dares to do more than hold someone's hand all the way to the gates of hell, there relinquishing them to a fate worse than death. Love that dares to confront evil and refuses to call that which is evil "good." That is love. It is tough, it is sometimes harsh, it is TRUTH and it is found in Jesus Christ alone. That's love. He is love. Love that dared to die in order that you, fredd, can live, now and forevermore. That's love.

    -- Posted by newdawn on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 11:05 AM
  • Did you really just compare Pharisees to liberals?

    Christ was crucified by radicals who were stuck in time. Extremely conservative jews who followed biblical text word for word without any implication or connotation. Jesus came along spreading new ideas "liberalism" and was killed for it.

    Swing and a miss sam.

    -- Posted by mccookreader on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 12:06 PM
  • Sam,

    By far your best work to date. It make me sad that the leftists, non-believers, and hypocrites are surly going to soil this wonderful post.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 12:42 PM
  • MCCOOKREADER, I think you need to go re-read the New Testament. Those "word for word" Jewish leaders had piled thousands of extra laws upon their people, they had refused to apply the laws to their own actions, they had invented a way for donations to the synagogue to take the place of the commandment to honor parents,they were anything BUT word for word.

    Jesus repeatedly called them out for breaking His laws.

    The Jewish leaders in Jesus day were just like our liberals today...willing to say anything, do anything, destroy anyone to get and keep political power and silence opposition. They were even willing to let the much-hated Roman soldiers do their "dirty business" for them.

    Talk about missing...next time you try a swing, maybe you ought to do a bit of reading first.

    -- Posted by MrsSmith on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 1:02 PM
  • GI, **sigh**...since you've obviously never, ever read the New Testament, given the ridiculous list you just CHECKed, I would strongly advise you to at least scan the words of Jesus before you flaunt your ignorance in public again.

    I also find it quite amusing that most of today's liberals do NOT fit much of your list...they prefer to silence all opposition, just like a monarch; they favor all freedoms EXCEPT would like to destoy those "hateful" religious ones; they are extremely bigoted and intolerant toward Christians and Christian beliefs; and they do NOT give as generously as conservatives, but they are definitely free...free from having to consider any viewpoint except their own!!

    -- Posted by MrsSmith on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 1:09 PM
  • "you cannot simply make a statement and then not support it"

    Kind of like your statement:

    * free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.

    *open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc

    * characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.

    * given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.(same as above)

    Because we have learned...gi's opinions are as good as facts. These "claims" are quite general in nature and in my opinion describe conservatives more so than liberals. These are only opinions that you have of liberals gi...nothing to "substantiate" it. Conservatives would argue that liberals are the true bigots...holding minorities back. Conservatives have always given more in donations than liberals.

    But then again, we Christians aren't allowed to play by the same rules as you, are we?

    -- Posted by Husker23 on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 1:56 PM
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    I must agree with Chunky that this was an excellent post. When you spoke about the President and his own family, it reminded me of what Paul said, "Those that do not take care of their own family are worse than infidels, and have denied the faith."

    You knew, I'm certain, how the liberals would react to your post. I am beginning to understand how you work. You set traps, and the liberals run to stick their collective necks in those traps.

    -- Posted by Leo.Pold on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 3:29 PM
  • Now you know why Sam keeps them around instead of kicking them off...ROFLMAO...

    -- Posted by orville on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 4:00 PM
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    HELLO from snowy Houston, Texas. I am thankful for this snow in Houston, as over seven million people in the Houston metropolitan area get to see that Al Gore is full of BLEEP!

    Mrs. Smith, your points were outstanding, and right on the money. Don't you find it interesting that the religous left always fires away at Christians, yet they have unending patience and love for Islam, and the fanatics that kill in the name of Islam?

    newdawn, how wonderful were your comments, and it is always good to hear from you! We are charged to tell the truth in love, and that is not an easy thing to do. Christ told the truth in love, and He was excoriated, slandered, and eventually murdered.

    Hey there CPB, my heartfelt thanks for your comments as well. Sure the left will trample on wisdom, sometimes I wonder if I am casting pearls before swine. I claim no personal wisdom, but trust in the Wisdom from above. Bless you brother.

    Sean and Husker, doesn't it appear that Guillermo has become a caricature of himself? He has become a cartoon buffoon.

    It is hard to take Fredd seriously, as his malevolence has far exceeded his ability to think.

    Thus is the state of leftist thinking today.

    McCookreader is Catholic, I think. I believe she once said she was, and has indicated that she, at least, is pro-life.

    Let me quote comedian Kathleen Madigan, "I am Catholic, so naturally I know nothing about the Bible."

    Now, I am teasing a bit here. I like mccookreader, even though I don't think she cares much for me. As with many Catholics, they bought into the lie that President Obama is a Christian, so she felt comfortable with her vote for him.

    I am not one that believes that Obama is a Muslim either, because then he would have to worship someone other than himself, and that ain't gonna happen.

    Leo, my goodness, that was a great point. I mean really, a multi-millionaire who's own aunt lives in a tenement in NYC, his brother George lives in a hut in Kenya, good grief. I cannot fathom having my own flesh and blood living in a hut, while I live the life of a king. And Leo, don't you give away my secrets now! LOL. Although, we must be honest, so eaten up with phony fury are the leftists, they will dive into the trap even when they know it is there. Almost too easy at times. I'd like to take credit for being brilliant, but trapping liberals is about as easy as getting food stamps.

    If any of you liberals, except for Guillermo, want to talk, I will be on line for a while, so fire away, if you'd really like to have a discussion.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 8:23 PM
  • So, having lots of money is the key to everything. Perhaps his family is happy living in a hut. Money is not my god. I have none and I am happy.

    -- Posted by president obama on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 11:29 PM
  • I do have a strong faith and belief in Jesus Christ.

    For the last 20-25 years one of my daily prayers has been:

    Jesus, save from your far right wing followers!

    Abortion occurs whether or not it is legal--legality is not the problem. Too many who claim to follow Christ are too busy trying to change Ceaser's law rather than living the values that would discourage the desire for an abortion.

    -- Posted by ontheleftcoast on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 2:26 AM
  • So really fredd, what have you done with your life that Jesus would find pleasing?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 11:02 AM
  • fredd/Guillermo,

    "Lets look at some definitions of liberal and see if Jesus fits:

    * favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties. CHECK"

    Where is this found?

    "*open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc. CHECK"

    Again, where?

    "* of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies. CHECK"

    Location in the Bible please?

    "* not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule. CHECK"


    Your other points not listed here are good. Not conservative or liberal, just what He commands us to do.

    And why to republican politicians tend to give more than their wealthier democrat opponents?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 11:34 AM
  • Say fredd/Guillermo, You're not being judgemental, are you?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 1:48 PM
  • fredd/Guillermo,

    Not much of a defense on the fredd/Guillermo-gate. Yes I would like to see some documentation on your claims you list above. As a student of the Holy Bible, I am well aware of what Jesus told the Jews and their belief in Judaism, follow it strictly and don't add any of man's laws to it. As far as governmental authority, read Romans 13, it is one I struggle with, but accept.

    You asked for some evidence on Republicans giving more that democrats, I give you;


    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 2:50 PM
  • fredd/Guillermo,

    I think the Lord Jesus was NOT open-minded or tolerant. I don't recall anywhere in the Holy Bible did Jesus say "go ahead and sin and lead a hedonistic life, hey it's cool". If you can find it, show it!

    I don't know what orthodox Judaism is. Your either a Jew, or not, there is no levels of Judaism. Jew are to follow the commands and rules of the Torah. But what about those who could not, we have Jesus.

    Besides, if you don't believe, why should those of us who do, listen to you.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 3:29 PM
  • Guillermo -

    I'm afraid that your lack of faith does indeed preclude you from reading the Holy Scripture with understanding and thereby making reasoned arguments about it.

    To wit: In Isaiah 6:9 "...be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but not perceiving..." a teaching underscored twice by Jesus in Matthew 13:14 and Mark 4:12 and by Paul in Acts 28:26, speaking about those of the Jewish faith who failed to recognize the Son of God as the promised Messiah.

    And the warning stands today, as Paul states in 2 Corinthians 4:4 "the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

    -- Posted by newdawn on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 6:30 PM
  • fredd, for someone who demands "PROOF," you sure don't hold yourself to the same standard, do you? You and GI can throw out tons of not-just-unproven, but actively false statements, while ignoring the clear guidance of actually reading the New Testament before exposing even more ignorance. McCook IS in the bible belt, most people obviously know a lot more about the facts than you and GI.

    I'm sorry you're so upset by the discovery that Christians remain human. I'm sure we'd all love to be those perfect people you expect...but then again, THE ONE PERFECT PERSON was murdered for it, so it probably wouldn't help your attitude after all. On the plus side, Christians are the main donors to all types of charities - even secular ones - as documented in the book, "Who Really Cares." Christians have historically begun and run all types of healthcare facilities, orphanages, schools, colleges, food banks, disaster kitchens...and continue many of these activities while also running mission trips to rebuild after disasters, drill water wells and build homes in poor countries, and staff medical missions. But yeah, we're not perfect.

    So, by the way, why would you let a bunch of much-hated, supposed-hypocrits stand between you and the one Perfect One, anyway?


    Don't forget, that one perfect person was murdered by the political leaders of his country...those that were determined to wipe out all opposition. The fact that they sound exactly like today's liberals is obvious, despite the denial of those same liberals. Conservatives are the ones that defend the Bill of Rights, liberals are the ones that want to wipe out most of those rights. For proof, just look at the actions of groups like the liberal ACLU and the conservative FIRE.

    Anyone who pays any attention can see which side supports individual liberties, the right to live, the right to live as you please, the right to retain your own money so you can donate to the charities of your choice, the right to retain arms so you can protect your home and family, the right to free speech so you can say the name of Christ in public...and it's plainly not fredd or GI, or their political leaders.

    -- Posted by MrsSmith on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 9:44 AM
  • Guillermo,

    Please don't be obtuse. I didn't say you couldn't read, I fear you read without understanding. Furthermore, posters frequently confuse "church" people with followers of Christ, not always one in the same thing.

    Fredd, that is for Sean to work out "with fear and trembling." (Philippians 2:12).

    So you know where I stand, if someone claims to be a follower of Jesus, believing him to be the Risen Son of God, submitting to Him as both King and Savior, then that person is my brother or my sister in Christ and will demonstrate appropriate fruit such as "kindness, gentleness, peace, patience, faithfulness, love, joy, goodness and self-control," (Galatians 5:22) traits which seldom appear on these posts.

    -- Posted by newdawn on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 10:25 AM
  • Guillermo,

    Then, I fear, we are at an impasse and further discussion on either part would be futile.

    All the best to you and yours.

    -- Posted by newdawn on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 1:38 PM
  • fredd/Guillermo,

    "In fact, here is a new premise...it is faith, not disbelief, that inhibits and precludes (blinds?) realistic understanding of the bible."

    -- Posted by Guillermo Inglaterra on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 3:43 PM

    Prove it Iggy.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 10:30 PM
  • Guillermo,

    We do indeed remain at an impasse, not only because I view the world through the eyes of faith, but because you view the world through the blinders you chose when you could no longer bear the admittedly distorted view that has come from organized religion, in your case, Catholicism. Both sides of the same coin, hence the impasse.

    Unfortunately, your world view depends wholly upon man and his attempts to decipher creation from a source completely unaffected by any sovereign designer, which by default means that you also rely utterly upon man to answer the questions of justice, mercy and eternity, and man has, at the very least, a poor track record in pursuing any of these.

    If you can, for a moment, seek to see the Lord God apart from the distorted lens mentioned above, He will honor that desire and reveal Himself. To do otherwise, friend, is to "Love the darkness rather than the Light," (John 3:19) a decidedly dangerous decision.

    The truth is out there. It is not hidden, but you can choose to hide from it, even while claiming to seek it. I leave it to you.

    -- Posted by newdawn on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 6:34 AM
  • Fredd,

    Thank you for your gentle question.

    Faith is largely misunderstood to be blind acceptance of tenets passed down from generation to generation. And perhaps that misunderstanding is deserved as not all people of faith can verbalize why they believe what they believe. I shall try.

    In my personal experience, faith is offered in response to the trustworthiness of God, revealed not only in Scripture, but in action -- in my own life, in my own experiences. Because He has never failed, faith tells me He never will, and faith tells me I can trust His statement that "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free." (John 8:32).

    I know this is a short answer to an enormous question, I assure you the answer can be found, but it will be found in the One who gave you the ability to ask it in the first place. Do not be afraid to ask Him.

    -- Posted by newdawn on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 5:55 PM
  • Guillermo,

    I do believe myself to be curious, perhaps more curious than most, if I may be so bold, and to assume that I have capitulated without question also calls my personal integrity into question. Perhaps part of my answer to Fredd's question will help explain how I have come to the place where I am now.

    Of a certainty, we can agree that man does not know all that can be known, and our knowledge increases daily, because curious people ask hard questions, for which there are no easy answers. In this one respect, we must acknowledge at the least, a difference of opinion, or even worldview, for myself I can only answer that in my experience, all of my questions thus far have been more than answered in all I have learned and have yet to learn of Jesus, who cannot be contained in the largest box devised or yet to be devised by what we call science.

    In either case, I must admit, I have enjoyed our dialogue.

    -- Posted by newdawn on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 6:01 PM
  • "your frank but unemotional responses"

    With that statement, you completely disqualified yourself from any discussion about logic. Logic as derived from man, cannot exist when human emotions are involved. Logic would dictate not helping the ill, for the risk of becoming ill yourself. Logic would dictate not helping the poor, for you will become poorer yourself.

    Jesus tempered the cold man-made logic with compassion. Compassion for all of man kind. I'm sure 1500 years ago, the "enlightened" of the times said the same thing about faith. Their wisdom now is meaningless.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 6:10 PM
  • By the way, Thank you Carl

    May God Bless you.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 6:11 PM
  • But why did this not happen in other animal species? Could humans be special?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 8:30 PM
  • Guillermo,

    Please reread my post to the point where I refer to personal experience as an anchor of my faith. God is not only revealed in Scripture, but in my life -- in great and powerful ways, He has never failed, thus I believe He never will. A dispassionate look at my life, from the world's view, would indicate that I should be (and probably deserve to be) living under a bridge somewhere, existing hand to mouth, with nothing about me generating any level of pity or compassion. But the Lord has had compassion on me and although at one time I was mere steps away from the aforementioned bridge existence, instead I am here, with a testimony to share, even with, or perhaps especially with, those who find themselves under a bridge, believing that they deserve nothing more. Man has no satisfactory answer for the least of these. Jesus does. Because if He would do it for me, He will do it for anyone. That is His heart's desire. He came to seek and to save the lost, to rescue the perishing, to demonstrate God's great love for His crowning creation, man. It's about so much more than the origins of creation, it's about so much more than a list of do's and don't's, it's about so much more than global warming and who is at fault, it's about God's great compassion and mercy, and justice, wed at the cross. Compassion and mercy we all must have or perish.

    -- Posted by newdawn on Tue, Dec 8, 2009, at 5:55 AM
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    Newdawn - you got it exactly right about 'love' in your post on the 4th. True love is a fruit of the Spirit, in contrast to many who believe that it is a sensation derived from evolved bio-mass or logic.

    In respect to the regard of others, I would contend that it is a reflection of your relationship with your Creator. That love is a gift from the Creator, it is meant to be personified; and Christ being our greatest example of that. Yes the same Christ who railed against sexual immorality, drove blasphemers from the temple and protected the innocent at the ultimate price of His own earthly life.

    True love tells people when they are wrong, not out of holding a superior position, but out of humility for the sake of the ministered. This is one example of why a Christian can hold a worldview that the unborn should be protected. Moral relativists would have you believe that compassion and self-sacrifice are a result of some eons of time coupled with rapier self-conciousness. We all know human nature doesn't lead us to exhibiting the finest in ourselves. There are people on this blog who contend that one can read Holy Scripture and be filled by its mystique and nuances without believing it. He should stick to reading macaroni and cheese ingredient labels, as the benefit to him would be similar.

    Faith, also a fruit of the Spirit is given or taken by the Creator. If one is not exercising faith - the heart grows cold and stony. Christ talked about faith in a vein of 'the faith of children', meaning unquestioning faith that edifies and comforts as it removes uncertainty, doubt or self-assuredness. May your faith be steadfast in the onslaught of non-believers; and may you find edification in Him.

    Thank you, newdawn, for your gentle persistence and humble point of view. I pray it inspires other Christians on this blog to approach their comments from the perspective of love and not personal vindication.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Dec 8, 2009, at 9:08 AM
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    Meet GI - the resident professional concerning pedestrian garbage. Your equivocation as Holy the Scripture and ingredient labels reveals the weakness of your argument. With your acquiescence you've gored your own bull and relinquished your own god of logic, abortion and global warming to the importance of enriched semolina and rehydrated animal lactate. Certainly the time you feel you spent as a pious believer was merely a passing fancy, and not an avid pursuit; as the Lord does not abandon those who come to Him.

    I'm sorry that you find yourself in this place where a relationship with God is relatively meaningless - however, it is not too late for you, and if you would turn around and look for the Lord, you will find He is right there - having been in close pursuit all along. You are too smart a cookie, GI, to truly believe it is not so.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Dec 8, 2009, at 12:48 PM
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    fredd - after the seemingly constructive discourse from another thread; I come here and witness you acting like an inebriated teen. You've revealed your true colors, and for that I'm grateful. If you can demonstrate the hate in any of my comments, please do so. Frankly I think you are undergunned for this task.

    GI - I'll give you one bullet...and then I have some other questions for you. But before I do, I would like to point out that I WILL NOT bear the burden or the responsibility for you turning toward Christ, nor away from Christ. I would also hope you do not hold your mothers health at stake. I will pursue this conversation for the sake of glorifying the Spirit, but it is the Spirit ultimately who will enlighten or harden you; and only then based on the conviction of your own free will.

    There are some pieces of scripture that I could use, but in the spirit of curtailing myself to work within the confines of your sophist experiment...here goes. I believe that as created beings, we all bear the stamp of our creator. When you use that self-avowed brain of yours, when you speak, when you smell, when you feel a sunrise - not just see it. When you laugh at kids playing, when you cry from them suffering, when you desire to hold and comfort a friend, when you yourself desire to be held and comforted. Learning, laughing, loving, (things that have no room in logic or evolution) - I would contend that ALL of these things are witness to a Creator and not a series of accidents without meaning. If you truly believe in evolution then answer me this...how is it that evolution came up with paired couples instead of mono-celled animals which are far more efficient. And then how do account for the path of evolution twice for a multitude of the same species? In other words, why isn't all of mankind or the animal kingdom hermaphroditic? Do you realize that according to evolution the odds of creating a physiologically different being within the same species is far more astronomical than the appearance of the species themselves?

    Anxiously awaiting.

    I have some other venues to explore on this subject...so until then...

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Dec 8, 2009, at 11:37 PM
  • Guillermo,

    I now realize you are not going to accept anything from the Bible, so I'm not even going to discuss it any longer.

    You do have a compelling argument promoting evolution. Mono-celled (single celled) organisms reproduce asexually. Great amounts of genetic information required to do this, (where did it come from?) but what if it fails? A single change in their environments leads to their extinction. The advantage of paired couple (bisexual) reproduction gives us genetic variability to adapt to changing environments. Again, where did it come from? It's also gives higher organisms a survival advantage for the young, parenting.

    Now for parthenogenesis, it occurs only under specific conditions, a diploid male, one with both sets of chromosomes, mate with a polyploid female, one with both sets of schromosomes plus an extra chromosome. This extra chromosome may be the parthenogenesis gene. In most organisms, only female offspring are produced. Also occurs in certain aphid species locally. Again a huge survival disadvantage in changing environmental conditions.

    Note, parthenogenesis is not the same as hermaphroditic mutation. Parthenogenesis is the genetic predisposition of a female only, to reproduce asexually. Hermaphrodism is the presence of both male and female sexual reproductive organs. Hermaphrodites are usually sterile, thus leading to "evolutionary dead end".

    The same for homosexuality, It leads to the "evolutionary dead end". In the animal kingdom, what we see as homosexuality, is actually male dominance, the stronger imposing his genetic superiority over the weaker.

    And I thought college genetics was a waste of time!

    Could evolution explain all this? Or were all things created this way to survive?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Wed, Dec 9, 2009, at 8:07 AM
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    GI - not emotional, but instinctive. When you are on an icy bridge and your car goes out of control - I'd bet you call out to your Creator and not Carl Sagan.

    Parthenogenisis may be documented - but it is not conclusive. As a for instance, since there cannot be any observable occurence, it is relegated to a theory; and as such; inconclusive in nature.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 12:54 PM
  • WOW - Oh Golly Gee Whiz!!!

    All the reliance upon quotes from The Bible -- as proof of all things.

    I will repeat one point --

    Every author of any scroll or "book" among the more than 300 considered for inclusion in The New Testament about three hundred years after the time of Christ -- KNEW the earth is a flat plate, with the sun, moon and all stars circling around the earth, which absolutely was the center of the universe.

    These divinely inspired authors universally KNEW woman are an inferior form of the species, a prized equine was superior to any woman, as was a prize camel stud and other prized livestock.

    All forms of slavery were ordained by God.

    Yet, all modern men are to accept the Holy Word of those MEN as absolute law.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 4:51 PM
  • Really Hank? And how do you know this? Were you there?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 5:25 PM
  • And I will read them. See you in about 2 months.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 7:06 PM
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    GI - Parthogenisis may be observable in existing species, however my original question was concerning evolution, i.e. the origin of species. Since there is NO documentation anywhere of an observable occurrence of the creation or evolution of an old species into a new species, I held up as suspect your proffering of parthogenisis as such.

    Flatworms and amoebas are terrible examples for evolution, as there is has been no significant jump from a flatworm to any other type of animal that could be considered a new species. That being said, if evolution were true - we would be seeing significant 'on the fly' changes in domestically bred animals. While there are efforts to replicate the desireable traits in certain animals raised for food; this doesn't account for the myriad of generations of animals that are not selective bred, i.e. cats and dogs. Selective breeding should actually encourage evolved change as much of the undesirable traits are already genetically disposed. Certainly one could expect magnificent trait leaps with nature helped along with science. Hmm?

    -- Posted by Mickel on Tue, Dec 15, 2009, at 11:03 PM
  • I ask for a little patience on your part Guillermo, this is some very deep reading. Hopefully I'll complete this, before this blog expires.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Thu, Dec 17, 2009, at 9:48 PM
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    GI - OR hermaphrodites could be explained as seeded from an alien planet. Zecharia Sitchin could give you an apt and avid explanation.

    With respect to parthogenesis, If you want to take to the ultimate level there would be nothing BUT hermaphrodites considering the exponentially devastating onset of sexually transmitted diseases, the occurrence of miscarriages and the ever increasing number of abortions, which would most certainly guide future genetic code. After all, genes cannot read motive?

    Interesting, but I'm not sold.

    -- Posted by Mickel on Thu, Dec 17, 2009, at 10:03 PM
  • Guillermo,

    I have read about all I can read about the "religion" of Gnosticism. I must say that Mickel did describe you quite accurately, you are circular by nature, and is gnosticism. Gnosticism is simply defined as "salvation through knowledge". Knowledge of what? The mysteries of the universe. Which by nature, or grand design, is circular. Gnosticism is guided by the belief that God and world, (or by some, universe) are one. It must be made very clear, Christianity and gnosticism are not related, thought gnosticism borrows greatly from the Christian Bible.

    There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of different branches of gnosticism. They all originate from the thought of different levels of "being", much like Buddhism. There are multiple gods, much like Hinduism. Each of our actions are the result of some cosmic design. Each of are actions lead to differing levels of "being". It is the belief that the believer is to study each and every level of being, and to acquire all the knowledge, that which is unknown.

    There are many books to their "bible", some of which are possibly the original texts of Christianity's Holy Bible. Some quite possibly written by Jesus' own disciples. It becomes clear why they were left out of the Holy Bible, they became fools.

    One thing for certain, it absorbs the belief systems of many religions of ancient Asia, including Christianity. However, gnosticism, unlike all the religions it borrows from, excludes all forms of redemption. There isn't any real salvation from it either. There are no mentions of good works to aid your fellow man. There are a few books in the Holy Bible that may confront gnosticism, namely the first book of Timothy. The books of Ephesians and Colossians also make mentions of those with great knowledge of the useless.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Thu, Dec 31, 2009, at 7:48 PM
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    GI, the initial recorded STD's were bacterial in nature. Probably because of advanced means of research; the latest and worst have been identified as viral. I'm guessing both types have been around for a very long time. Regardless, the evidence of the toll of these diseases is devastating and undeniable.

    My point goes toward parthogenisis being an arm of natural selection. Evolution relies on succesful and viable progeny, guided by the sum of positive and/or negative physiological experiences of the existing host. Given that there are more people populating the planet now than ever before, given that the physiological/psychological trauma for STD's and abortion is exponentially higher than ever the conditions are ripe for an evolutional transition.

    According to your evolutional timescale: Genders are introduced; STD's are introduced; abortion is introduced. Because of the anatomical and physiological trauma caused by abortion and STD's; wouldn't it follow that genetic code would "back-up" and revert to hermaphroditic or morphologic reproduction? Why are we not seeing transitional evidence, forward or backward, in the human species?

    -- Posted by Mickel on Thu, Dec 31, 2009, at 11:00 PM
  • Actually the appendix is part of the immune system. Its job is to prevent bacteria in the colon from entering the small intestines. It either catches the bacteria and prevents a slow excruciating death. Or it works, and a fast and painful death occurs. There are many other organs once thought to be vestigial, thankfully modern science has caught up.

    But here's an organ for thought, body hair.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Fri, Jan 1, 2010, at 2:53 PM
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