Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dumb

Posted Tuesday, September 29, 2009, at 8:46 PM
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  • The saddest factor about this story-line is that people still will feel there is truth in false accusations, like President Carter blathers. It is, I guess a game, used to make people think there is a problem where none exists, or at least exists minimal to the accusation.

    Perhaps racism will fade away, but somehow I fear the lies will continue to have traction, even though the misinformation furthers the destruction of our way of life, in freedom.

    Beat the drums slowly, and play the fife lowly, for those who will listen, bury country today.

    We are living History, but a history no mortal would ever desire to experience. Sadly, there is little we can do, little anyone can do, for those in power, be they Liberal, or Conservative, have gone insane, and are spending all America into the Poor House, and Bankruptcy. We all lose, no one gains, not even those who hate us, for when we are gone, only God can stop the mayhem, and He will, with a great wrath. Enough Said.

    Come Soon, Lord Jesus, Come Soon.


    -- Posted by Navyblue on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 10:34 PM
  • I am so sick of this 'racist' garbage. Give me a break.

    -- Posted by shaarhues on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 11:00 PM
  • First off,

    You completly misquoted Carter and took him out of context. He did not say that the senator was racist, he said the thought of him saying what he said in that situation was subconsciously racist. Which is true. There's a different between overt racism and socially influenced racism. Very few people are actually not racist in some way or the other.

    While many white people may not go out and commit hate crimes, they still do not think of themselves the same as other ethnicities.

    So many of these rabid tea party partakers try to mask their racism. They'll say, oh we hate Obama. Impeach him! But when you ask them which part of his policy they disagree with they have nothing to say other than they hate socialists.

    The left is brainwashed no doubt about it, but so is the right.

    Bipartisanship like this is going to rip our country apart. Our founding fathers did not want political parties. Ben Franklin wrote in 1780 that political parties only seperate and spread hate.

    -- Posted by mccookreader on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 2:08 PM
  • m.r.

    any chance you could provide any links that show the "rabid tea party partakers" demonstrated any racism. i would also be interested in how many you could recall that were calling for impeachment. and would you agree that over the past several months, across the nation, there were probably a few hundred thousand that went to tea parties?

    -- Posted by doodle bug on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 2:19 PM
  • Carter was a disgrace as President and is a ridiculous old disgrace today. For example, Carter suddenly had to leave his church after an epiphany about how his own church treated women. Carter attended that church for more than 50 years or so - I guess that is why Carter can empathize with and adore Obama's intelligence because it took Obama only 20 years for Obama's epiphany that he was involved in a racist church and perhaps should leave. WOW - I am impressed.

    -- Posted by shaarhues on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 3:03 PM
  • That's right gi...all who disagree with the leftist liberal agenda are too dumb to think for themselves. Therefore the only reasonable explanation must be that they are either racists, or brainwashed followers of talk radio or crazy conservative religious organizations. Here is a quote for you... "Give me a break" - John Stossel.

    Those types of statements are some of the most naive and disturbing that I have read. Those arguments are demeaning to those you direct them at, and also to the minorities you pretend to represent. Look in the mirror if you want to see someone that holds others back because of the color of their skin. You are dismissing our arguments against the direction this administration is taking this country simply because of our religion, or color of our skin.

    This country is filled with opportunities for all people. There are countless success stories about immigrants and minorities rising to the top and succeeding in this country. We are not one big KKK membership hiding out in the backwoods playing banjo's singing racists hymns.

    You liberals keep playing that racist's a sign of desparation, and it serves as motivation for me and the conservative movement across this nation. It will hurt your cause more than ours and ultimately help change the political leadership in the next election.

    -- Posted by Husker23 on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 4:13 PM
  • gi,

    You attacked shaarhues as being blinded by her religion when she gave you no ammunition to do so.

    You also made this statement, "(I would say most) tea baggers are racists".

    Your own words imply that you believe the majority of people that show opposition to this administration are racist or religious fanatics.

    I am simply replying to your statements.

    -- Posted by Husker23 on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 4:59 PM
  • it was m.r. assesment, not mikes. by using that criteria then, it would be logical for me to think that all the seiu members are thugs who are out to destroy anyone who disagrees with them. sorry, i dont have a link for the video, but it was on the news a few weeks ago: seiu members beating a black man who had the temerity to disagree with obamas policies.

    -- Posted by doodle bug on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 5:46 PM
  • the date was aug 7, 2009. google "seiu members beating black man".

    -- Posted by doodle bug on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 5:51 PM
  • Doodle bug,

    You got, what the kids call these days, "owned" by GI. The link right after your comment could not have been timed any better.

    And I did not say that all people in tea parties were racist, just some of them. And you can't argue with that statement.

    Let's put it this way... Do you think the senator in question would have shouted, "you lie!" to a 60 year old white senator from Georgia? Who knows for sure. But I think not.

    -- Posted by mccookreader on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 8:47 PM
  • i do not feel "owned" by g.i. and, yes, i think the senator would have shouted "you lie" to a white senator from georgia. you take some instances from a tea party and "IMPLY" that most of the participants are racist. and you are fostering bipartisanship? thats a hoot. and my first post was probably too ambiguous. thus, my caveat about the thousands of tea party "partakers" who made no such insinuations. i'll be absolutely clear this time: there are some in any demonstration that place the majority in a bad light. yes, the same is true for conservatives; it is also true of the liberals. i disagree with many of obama's policies. do you want to call me a racist? if so, i believe you to be truly blinded by partisanship.

    -- Posted by doodle bug on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 9:58 AM
  • p.s.

    i dont really care what you think of me. i do not see obama as a black man. i see him as the president with whom i strongly disagree. amazing that the liberals "seem" to be the first ones to cry "racist", "racism".

    -- Posted by doodle bug on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 10:01 AM
  • I believe that saying that gi "owned" doodle bug is a racist statement.

    Would you say that to a black President from Chicago? Probably not.

    -- Posted by Husker23 on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 10:56 AM
  • Well, here we go again, with the same vitriolic insults and take no quarter logic.

    This is not the same country as when my father witnessed the "trumped up" Tulsa race riot back about 1920.

    It is not the same America as when any would-be rodeo contestant "of color" was effectively banned after WWII -- along with those ranch bred women who competed effectively in rough stock events through WWII. More than one depression era bronc riding contest was won by a woman, and a bunch of rodeos included women in their winners lists.

    The same for riders of color.

    Their was no official or legal prohibition, it was mostly unofficial, but just as effective.

    It is not the same America where virtually every edition of daily newspapers reported a lynching, dragging or burning of black people in some part of the south, mid-south and even mid-west.

    It is not the same America, as represented by the animals responsible for dragging a black man to death in Jasper, Texas just a few years ago.

    But realistically, there are bigots and racists in virtually every community.

    Around western Nebraska today, they are mostly discreet about voicing their racism, just as in many parts of the country.

    But, travel the backroads and small towns of the more than 35 states I have traveled these past four decades and in the cafes, coffee shops, fast food joints, bars and video game centers -- you will hear those words of racism.

    Not just directed at African-Americans, but heavily toward Hispanics, Jews, Catholics, Italians, twenty kinds of Asians, Baptists, Portugese, Russians, Viet Namese, Methodists, the Montagnards who fought with our Green Berets for most of a decade and then were officially abandoned by Uncle Sam, "their Berets" leading thousands of them to safety at Thai air bases.

    Until every person can meet a person of another race, color or religious philosophy, including American Muslims, and not feel fear, resentment or worry -- of total hatred -- this nation will have a problem with racism.

    In recent years,I have witnessed violence directed at Montagnards, Navajo railroad workers, Mexican construction workers, Sheiks (sp) and African-American students.

    There has been frequent verbal slurring of Thai/Chinese/Viet/Japanese restaurant workers to their faces and behind their backs.

    I'm grateful that others either acted or spoke up ahead of me or quickly joined me in confronting those instances of racist misconduct.

    Sam, I ask you to consider.

    The first times I hitchhiked down the Lincoln Highway enroute to a rodeo, or harvest season, there were NO BLACK LONG-HAUL DRIVERS on the road.

    After BLACK DRIVERS began appearing, many truck stops either maintained segregated dining rooms, or only served meals in a box or bag for black drivers to eat in their trucks. There were few highway motels accepting black drivers.

    Even today, within almost all truckstop restaurants, there is an informal racial segregation.

    I have a long haul driving friend, one of the straightest, most responsible men I've known, who comes through every month or so. He calls ahead and we meet at a Petro Iron Skillet six miles west of my house.

    Without exception, when I walk in and sit down at a table with him, there is an obvious negative reaction in the room. Mac is 6'5" and about 275 lb. of pure muscle and I'm only three inches shorter and no bone rack.

    So far, not one person has vocalized objection to our choice of dinner companion.

    One waitress was more than slightly slow with service until I asked her if either of us had ever stiffed her on tips. She knew darn well, we both usually tipped 25-40 percent.

    Service improved instantly.

    Racism is about like fleas on your best dog.

    Denial doesn't rid that dog of fleas, they just keep increasing.

    Racism and bigotry are the same -- Denying they exist will not be of any benefit.

    I am the first to admit showing extra caution and feeling concern at the least, when driving through an "ethnic ghetto" at night.

    Walking along a center city sidewalk meeting a group of young minority youths -- I always felt the gut reaction.

    After a long lifetime of openly fighting institutionalized racism, I admit harboring culturally-seated racism.

    Would denying it help. Absolutely not.

    It is like fear of water with kids. Once they learn to swim, the fear at least decreases.

    The fear may never disappear, but it can be controlled.

    Racism may never disappear. But we can each accept our own reality and work toward the casteless society.

    I appreciate an old friend's approach --

    "I DON'T NEED the other fellow to carry a hundred pound anvil under each arm in order to enter a foot race with me. If I ain't man enough to run, even-up and fair, then I should stay out of it."

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 11:27 AM
  • Well hello again straw man...I don't believe anyone claimed that racism "can't exist". As long as there are different races, there will always be racism in some manner. We are just fighting the left wing claim that most (if not all) who oppose this administration are racist.

    We have very real and legitimate concerns about the direction that this administration and other elected officials are taking this country that have absolutely nothing to do with race.

    -- Posted by Husker23 on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:51 PM
  • You'll have to forgive my ignorance gi...I don't see Sceptre or his comments anywhere in this blog. Could you point them out for me? This discussion was begun without your favorite target. Let's try to stay on topic shall we - without dragging other claims (or alledged claims) into this conversation.

    If you are going to state that "legitimate concerns exist among conservatives, but just as many concerns are illegitimate because they are fueled by racism", then statistically speaking, the same can be said for liberals. Keep in mind there is no such thing as reverse racism. Either you are or you are not.

    Or do the conservatives have a monopoly on racism? And if so, was that true before or after the election of the new President? After all, he was elected by some of my "ilk".

    -- Posted by Husker23 on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 1:40 PM
  • Sorry conservative brethren,

    But no matter how many times you repeat your claim, Former President, Habitat for Humanity volunteer carpenter, Nobel Peace Prize winner Jimmy Carter DID NOT SAY:

    "Most of the opposition to Pres. Obama is from a racist foundation."

    He said, as many other have said, that a significant and vociferously vocal portion of the opposition is heavily based upon racism.

    He decried the vicious, vitriolic verbal attacks upon the sitting president.

    Certainly, many African-Americans voted for Obama, just as they had voted for Jesse Jackson.

    Their personal backgrounds make that understandable.

    Just as it is quite understandable Mike Dukakis had a high percentage of Americans of Greek descent voting for him, and JFK has the majority of the Irish Catholic vote.

    The amazing fact is the Obama campaign carried several solidly Republican states. States which had not left the Republican column since LBJ and Barry Goldwater. [Barry was a personal friend, lousy poker player and in all honesty, primarily ineffective as a legislator.]

    The big concern many of us have is with the level of expressed hatred toward the Obama family, the President, Michelle and the two children. Even the grandmother has been savaged for daring to move into the White House to help care for her granddaughters.

    I've seen every variation of the "N-word" -- including a number totally new to me after so many decades -- applied to all members of that family.

    The President is being blasted in the supposedly liberal press today for going to Copenhagen to support the Chicago Olympics effort.

    He is also being blasted for not being overwhelmingly involved in the Health Care Reform fight in Congress.

    Go back 15 years -- Bill and Hillary Clinton were savaged for attempting to push Health Care Reform through congress.

    Pres. Obama did what was needed ten days ago with an all-out media blitz for four days, presenting the facts of his suggestions to congress and giving the lie to the Health Industry and Health Insurance Industry claims he was pushing a Federal Government CONTROLLED Health Care System.

    While that media blitz was in process, ending with a return to Dave Letterman's show, The President was being reviled by opponents for over-exposure.

    Since then, he has concentrated upon other serious matters. For which he is being attacked.

    He has task forces studying every possibility for stabilizing Afghanistan, not just inserting more troops.

    The military brass has been told bluntly to get armored vehicles in place, just as they were told to do in late January.

    This time, some brass started melting down and some high-ranking hides got singed, when the Commander in Chief repeated the order.

    When the 2016 Olympic site selection is announced, if Chicago is named -- The Obamas will be criticized by Republicans.

    If Chicago is not named -- The Obamas will be blamed for the loss by the Republicans.

    The tragedy is that my original party, the Grand Old Party, has sunk into the morass of negative politics perfected by the DixieCrats the GOP embraced more than 40 years ago.

    Some of those people, Jessie Helms, Strom Thurmond and others have only recently left the political stage, only to be replaced by the Joe Wilsons.

    There is no doubt those old-line Southern politicians were constantly race-baiting and using every bit of their political power to disenfranchise black voters in their states.

    When I was in Virginia in the early sixties, the totally corrupt Harry Bird DixieCrat machine used every dirty political trick to prevent Republican Richard Poff's election to Congress as representative for the Roanoke/Blacksburg district.

    After the Bird machine jumped to the Republican Party strictly because of the National Democratic support for Civil Rights -- Dick Poff objected to their being accepted into the GOP, warning "They will bring their corrupt and dishonest tactics, their blatent racism and bigoty into our party."

    President Jimmy Carter had two flaws, failure to delegate authority and responsibility, and total loyalty to family.

    But attempting to vilify him for imagined sins is ridiculous.

    [i.e.-- He is being blasted for only recently leaving the Southern Baptist assemblage because of the organization's discrimination of and intolerance toward women.]

    What the knee-jerk critics are ignoring is his decades of campaigning to eliminate those practices within his church.

    Study his life, in all probability, knowing his time is running out, Mr. Carter made the one drastic move which would focus national attention to his church's positions -- which is exactly what has happened.

    If you want to verbally attack Mr. Carter, present your credentials in service to God, Country and Humanity, proving your moral and intellectual superiority to him.

    For those endowed with the "Political Sand Blasting" Gene -- that might be a good policy, consider your own credentials before vilifying those you oppose.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 3:24 PM
  • That is quite simply...well...not true. Calling it a hypothesis doesn't make it anything more than your misguided opinion.

    Just because conservatives have different beliefs does not make us racist. For example: voting against some form of welfare, does not make us means we believe in a hand up rather than a hand out...teach a man to fish rather than giving a matter if you are white, black, yellow, brown...get it. Voting against same sex marriage is not necessarily homophobic...we all have our reasons and my point to you is that to dismiss them based in whole or in part on a stereotype that you have of conservatives is of the same mindset, and is as ridiculous and as degrading as any racist. Shall we call your kind "Conservophobic"?

    A big fat DUH on the condescending "blog not in vacuum" response. My point, (not sure why I have to point this out to you), is that the conversation that we have been having in this blog hasn't been about the denial of racism as a whole. I haven't dragged past conversations with other bloggers into this one. You are the one doing that in order to justify a far left liberal point of view.

    -- Posted by Husker23 on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 3:27 PM
  • One final comment on your position that Sceptre claims there is no racism.

    I believe, if memory serves me correct, that discussion was about the human race and the terminology used to describe bigotry.

    I don't believe that Sceptre ever claimed that bigotry, stereotypes, (and for lack of a better word) racism didn't exist, but that the word was misleading and inaccurate. (Sceptre, correct me if I'm wrong).

    That is why I would prefer that you not bring up a previous conversation. Others on this site might actually take you at your word (without understanding the context of the previous conversation).

    But I wouldn't expect any less from someone who relies on "The Daily Show" for their news. Sounds like you have learned how to take words out of context as well as Mr. Stewart himself.

    -- Posted by Husker23 on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 4:15 PM
  • Um Iggy, I do believe the term "teabaggers" as used in the current context is an obscene sexual gesture. This violates the spirit of the Gazettes rules.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 5:40 PM
  • No idea Iggy? For a person so well read on any subject, this is very suspect.

    You did bring up the word "Christian", and used it in the context of justifying racism. Could you please find the quote in the Bible, that God said racism should be justified?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 6:57 PM
  • Iggy,

    One problem with your point of view, slaves in Biblical times were the poor, who traded their labors in exchange for food and shelter, and conquered people, who were the prize for a well fought war.

    God favored the Israelites, they were His chosen people who were to be the example to the world. They failed and paid a price, becoming slaves to the Egyptians.

    It is my opinion that the idea of enslaving people from Africa came about directly from liberal Christian thought. The thought that human interpretation of the Bible was better than Gods direct command. And as a result we have modern slavery, abortion, and homosexuality.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 9:28 PM
  • OK, here's your answer, they were not Christian.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 10:04 PM
  • Iggy,

    First, there is no basis for racism in the Bible. That being said, how can anyone who calls themselves Christian, possibly believe they have a right to own another human being. Racism goes against anything Jesus, or any of the disciples, or the apostle Paul, has said in the Bible.

    Next, where in the Old Testament, is there an advocate of racism?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 4:49 PM
  • Iggy,

    Sorry about the delay, went out to scavenge the garden, possible frost tonight. I think you may have missed the point of 2 Chronicles 6:6, I will refer you to Exodus 19:3-6 as the explanation of Israel being the chosen people.

    I don't think the Bible actually promotes slavery (slippery slope ahead, Leviticus 25:35-55), it does tell the Israelites how to treat slaves (servants) Leviticus 25:42-43.

    As far as slave owners not being Christian, any deviation from Leviticus 25:35-55, would be a sin, a consquence

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 8:55 PM
  • a consequence leading to Gods ultimate judgement. Sorry, I hit the wrong button.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 8:56 PM
  • Peanut butter, I appreciate your thoughts and comments. I hope you continue to be a part of these discussions. Mr. Inglaterra knows a whole bunch, but he doesn't see anything. You were right to nail him on the "teabagger" bit. I thought it was funny when he denied knowledge of it. The thing that hurts when you read Mr. Inglaterra, is that he is obviously a bright guy, and it makes you sad to see what higher education nowadays does to gifted people. The left has turned him into a walking cliche. All that talent, and he is a walking liberal cliche.

    -- Posted by RMontana on Sat, Oct 3, 2009, at 1:43 AM
  • Back up toward the beginning of this session, the claim was made that Carter was "anti-semetic" and had voiced racist thinking.

    Will the noted national authority behind that comment please provide DETAILED confirmation of that particular nonsense.

    Jimmy Carter shared the Nobel Prize for brokering peace and formal treaties between Israel and Egypt.

    Mr. and Mrs. Carter, well into their seventies, worked 12 hour days helping build houses for black families as members of Habitat for Humanity.

    How many nails for anyone's house have DubYah, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condie Rice, Justice Thomas, Justice Roberts, Good ol' Newt, Joe Wilson, Sara Palin, John McCain or Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and Coulter driven?

    About as anti-semetic as Jimmy Carter ever got was to confront the Israeli leadership about their harsh treatment of those Arab/Muslims who were former residents of what is now Israel.

    After the still-being-born nation of Israel defeated the combined armies of a half-dozen Arab nations, the newly-arrived European refugees refused to allow those Arab and Christian residents who had fled under threat of death.

    The "Sabras" -- native-born Jews, carried food and supplies to their friends in Gaza for years, often forced to smuggle them in at night.

    A high percentage of the Christian refugees were sponsored into the U.S. by churches, with some going to other countries. {One of those men and his extended family became good friends during the 1970s. He told me of his Sabra friends, who as children carried backpacks of food, shoes, water and medicines to his family and their Muslim friends in Gaza.)

    After receiving his U.S. citizenship, this man sponsored Arab friends for immigration.

    Go back and study the history of the Carter family. Miz Lillian refused to let her black friends and neighbors -- or black strangers -- follow the standard to come to the back door.

    Black and white, everyone was welcome in her front door, equally.

    She raised her children to abhor racism.

    In Plains, Georgia -- before WWII.

    I have no doubt someone out there has taken out of context, some few words from Jimmy Carter, which they claim prove he is a racist.

    Sadly, that is the common tactic of extremists on both sides.

    I am a proud fiscally conservative businessman.

    I grew up with a father who taught me the most expensive "help" is "cheap" help. "You want people you can reward for doing a better job and more of it. Pay based on what they do, and treat them right."

    "Treating everyone right" was important to him.

    I fought to tear down 1930s CCC baracks being used through the 60s for farm labor families housing. Six families in each barrack, with canvas walls between. A single common shower building serving all.

    The worse part was the young "princes" of the affluent families waiting in the shadows of nearby trees around midnight, when young women got off the swing shift in packing sheds, and went to the shower, to be grabbed by several of the "princes." Fear enforced silence from the victims. It was an oppressive racist world.

    We sold the demolition of that decrepit "camp" with the threat of disease coming from there into the schools.

    The opposition -- primarily parents of the young "princes" -- who finally, started shutting up when confronted with proof of their sons' "misconduct," if that is applicable to rape.

    That was the only price any of those "princes" paid, because the victims did not want it known.

    Being fiscally conservative does not include being a political reactionary conservative.

    The simple reality is, the United States has the best combined system of Political, Legal, Economic and Social institutions in history.


    There is no question that American Indians, the NATIVE AMERICANS, have been savaged by European Americans. Most reservation residents have lived in abject poverty and squalor since enslavement.

    In many High Plains communities to this day, Indians are denied basic rights and their humanity is denied as well.

    The biggest problems with today's conservative thinking:

    Conservatives want to interject BIG GOVERNMENT into every day lives, bedrooms and bathrooms of other people.

    Conservatives, all too often, favor Draconian methods for anything they consider a crime. This has included the "War on Drugs."

    Now people, how well has that gone for 50 years?

    Remember when a little weak "ditch weed" was a huge Saturday night thrill?

    Even more so than some home brew in a "duggie" down by the creek.

    Young rural people once had the freedom to do things which would put them into confinement until age 25 in today's world.

    Sure it was illegal, positively sinful, but everyone survived without becoming drunks or addicts.

    There weren't as many "Shotgun Weddings."

    But by doggies, we all attended elaborate weddings where the couple moved out of state immediately and word of a premature birth filtered out.

    Today, under one guise or another, there are serious efforts to control every facet of private conduct - to preserve someone's family values.

    Every visible conservative spokesman I've known has had at least one homosexual family member, while advocating denial of basic human rights.

    If I'm dumb enough to smoke pot, let me pay a hefty tax, which will bring retail prices equal to today's illicit street prices.

    HEAVY drugs; Heroin, Crack Cocaine, Meth, et al --Get caught using ONCE -- Six months, 12/7 on the chain gang.

    Get caught selling or using the second time --

    Five years on the chain gang.

    Get caught with major amounts of any heavy drug --

    Ten years on the chain gang.

    Get caught the second time with heavy dealing -- LIFE ON THE CHAIN GANG -- 12/7.

    Before some neo-con starts screaming -- I don't smoke or use any form of tobacco, drink rarely and have never considered drugs of any sort - even ditch weed.

    But this country has been losing the War on Drugs for my entire lifetime and the result is destroying the nation.

    Gay marriage and women's right to choice are not destroying us.

    Divorce on demand and drugs are.

    I know a lifelong conservative, two years younger than me, who has been married five times, divorced four. He has eleven children, three of whom are substance abusing addicts.

    He wants laws preventing me from doing anything he disapproves of.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Sat, Oct 3, 2009, at 3:45 AM
  • Guillermo Inglaterra,

    I guess we'll have to ask Him when we get there.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Sat, Oct 3, 2009, at 9:05 PM
  • *

    Guillermo, like most programed leftists, you say the same old thing, full of so many distortions, and falsehoods.

    Paul taught, that we should be happy in any situation we find ourselves, whether it be free or slave. The point he was making, which you miss on purpose I suspect, is that our life here on Earth is almost nothing compared to eternity with God. So if you find yourself a slave, then be the very best slave you can be. Paul never said for us NOT to seek freedom, or NOT to help other be free, he was trying to comfort people who found themselves slaves.

    And back again with the same old proposition that white men from America, holding up the Cross of Christ before them as they marched, went and stole blacks to bring them to America.

    Guillermo, please, try and spend as much time finding and discussing truth, as you do trying to spread leftist hate. It is hard to take you seriously, unless the mouthy, know-it-all college punk, is the image you enjoy.

    Then there is your obvious hypocrisy. You care so much for the loss of freedoms for black Africans, as you should. Then you support an Administration that is, right now, trying to steal freedom and liberty.

    Try spending some time with a college professor that is not a Marxist...if you can find one.

    -- Posted by sameldridge on Mon, Oct 5, 2009, at 3:25 PM
  • Was sorta raised in the Southwestern Methodist/Baptist/Pentcostal world.

    Was the official Baptist Student Center photographer in college for three years.

    There is no way I could enumerate the different Baptist Churches and Sects in the world today.

    There must be thousands of different and differing Protestant Christian groups, sects, Churches or organizations in this country.

    They all agree to disagree with all the others regarding some point of scripture or practice.

    So someone tell me just what a CHRISTIAN is.

    Which of the several texts of the Christian Bible is the TRUE Bible?

    Roman Catholics have their Bible.

    Greek Orthodox Catholics have theirs.

    Russian Orthodoz Catholics have theirs.

    Coptic Christians have their Bible.

    The Unitarians profess to be Christians, will the conservative Christians expressing themselves here embrace the Unitarian faith? Don't think so?

    The various Jewish groups, and there are several, have their Torah -- The Old Testament.

    None of those are Christian, but their Scripture was the foundation or Christianity for nearly 400 years until assembled early Christian leaders met and selected a handful of books from among several hundred books being considered.

    In recent years, the previously unknown Book of Sarah was discovered in the carved-from-stone cathedral in Ethiopia, where some believe the Ark of the Convenant is kept.

    Now, of all these thousands of differing groups, which is the true Christin faith?

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Wed, Oct 7, 2009, at 5:24 PM
  • Isn't ironic Inglaterra, that slavery in the USA, that was introduced by Christian white guys, was also ended by Christian white guys. Many thousands gave their lives for this cause, makes you wonder, how many of them would gladly die for you.

    Hank, I guess as a non-denominational, I must be lost. My Bible simply says "Holy Bible". It says something about confessing all you sins, asking for forgiveness, and putting your total faith in Jesus Christ. Am I missing something?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Wed, Oct 7, 2009, at 9:47 PM
  • And again, brought to an end by Godly white guys.

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Thu, Oct 8, 2009, at 3:35 PM
  • Sorry Chunk,

    For every Southern White Preacher publicly opposing Jim Crow, segregation, discrimination and overt racism from 1945 through the 80s -- there were at least three preaching the hatred of White Supremacy and "God-mandated" segregation.

    I was there when a new Episcopalian Priest was run out of town by the church board,after ten days, because he delivered a very mild anti-segregation sermon.

    I was there when an Oklahoma city's schools closed the dilapidated "colored high school" for fear of losing the district's insurance. They looked at the new white high school, built to handle twice as many students as the white population had, and staffed more than 30% by "emergency certificated" teachers lacking even a single two or four year degree.

    By integration, they were able to add an entire faculty with at least masters degrees, and finally achieve accreditation.

    Even the janitor at the "colored" high school had his Master's Degree. He quit supervising building and grounds and began teaching math and physics, mostly the school's first Advanced Placement and Honors courses in those subjects.

    The integration took place without notice in early spring. Organized opposition for the September school board meeting was loud and brutal.

    The meeting was moved into the football stadium to provide room for everyone.

    The haters were ahead on points,until virtually the entire white student body marched in to stand on the field in front of the raised platform where the board sat.

    Those white students, sons and daughters of many of the Hell raisers [Including several Ministers of God] -- announced they were 100% in favor of the integration of the two schools --

    'We finally are getting the educations we need.

    We have qualified teachers -- and we don't care what color they are."

    The racist screams died down, but the final blow came when the white seniors on the football team announced they would not play if the change did not stand.

    They never mentioned that the transferred athletes meant they were a lock for the state title.

    Without anyone noticing during the spring of integration, their integrated track and baseball teams had won championships.

    Amazing, after the young people spoke up, with the only preachers present opposing integration, the haters gave up.

    I've pulled White Trash louts, aged 19 and 21, off a 17-year-old black student who was headed for the Ivy League -- and the white scum could not stand the thought that their victim had earned his chance.

    Our Chamber of Commerce Irish president waded into that right along with me. After our stopping that racist attack became an issue -- only one minister of the 17 members of the town's Ministerial Alliance publicly supported us.

    Southern White support for integration came primarily from university faculties and students, and quiet work from many individuals in the communities with maybe 5% of the effective support provided by white clergy.

    There are many parts of the Deep South today, where I would not live because of the open racism.

    There are northern cities where I will not live, because of what amounts to racial war.

    The Civil Rights fight has not been won. But it came with many whites supporting black activists.

    It also prevailed over many Southern White preachers inaction and even active opposition.

    -- Posted by HerndonHank on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 1:00 AM
  • Very good Hank,

    What about the "right here and right now". Are we any further ahead than we were 40 years ago? How about 30? 20? 10? What are the solutions?

    -- Posted by Hugh Jassle on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 9:54 PM
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