"Fighting the Good Fight?"

So in other words ALL liberals are the Devil and trying to provide those that can't afford health insurance with health insurance is against the will of God? Interesting opinion.

I, of course, look at it another way. We are trying to make progress in America and all the Republicans want to do is drag their feet and act like five year olds.

This isn't a spiritual battle it's health care.

mike, i am really weary of your use of the terms "liars" and "lying". do you conclude that any disagreement with your point of view makes someone a liar? do you not think there is any possibility the folks you speak of may have a legitmate difference of opinion. your use of those terms indicate to me that you have absolutely no interest in civil debate.

p.s. is that not name-calling, which you say you abhor?

doodle if you were reading the blog I was referring to congressmen and politicians who have said time and time again that there is a provision for death panels in the health care reform which there is not. That is a lie. That is not a difference of opinion but an outright lie.

Sean, I still would like to know how you think health care reform is part of a spiritual battle?

The one thing the various and sundry neo-cons and Uber-CONSERVATIVES have in common is a mindset of -- Don't try to confuse us with facts, our positions are set in concrete, based upon ignorance and blind opposition to anyone who disagrees with our positions.

The irony of irony is Ben Nelson attempting to rob all the liberals to the benefit of Nebraska conservatives while selling his vote.

Every decent Nebraskan should be on the Internet, Telephone and with a Special Delivery Letter going to Sen. Ben Nelson -- demanding he remove his demand that other people pay Nebraska's share.

He has made a charity case of the entire state.

When did it become considered Christian or moral to ask people to pray that something happens to a Senator so that a filibuster can't be broken as Senator Tom Coburn did last night?

Maybe it's just me but that seems to be something more in line with what many posters on here claim that all Muslims do, using their religion to bring harm. But I noticed that his call went unheaded as the filibuster was broken.

It's a shame when Senators are asking for prayers to bring harm or danger to other Senators for the sake of preserving a filibuster.

With the way politics are these days with the fear mongering and all, I can't help but think of the wise words of Yoda "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

Unfortunately, I think insurance companies are going to get 30 million more subscribers to raise rates on. I guess at least they wont be able to drop you for getting sick or deny coverage because you are sick.

I can understand mandating auto insurance. There's a good possibility of doing damage to other peoples property in an auto accident. Where does the value come in mandating you have to have health insurance?

"Where does the value come in mandating you have to have health insurance?"

npwinder, Merry Christmas. In answer to your query, Mandatory Insurance keeps one from denting the pocketbook of the Medical profession, especially the Facilities, more than the Doctors. (big grin)..

Has anyone noticed how many MD's we have from India, serving our needs? Why? Because, in India, MD's earn about 6,000$ per year.

Control the Hospital, MD, and Insurance profit levels, and almost all people could afford the premium. Just a thought to everyone.

To one and all: Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, in the name of Jesus, the One who's Birth we celebrate.

If the Congress thinks this is such a good idea, why are they excluding themselves?

Having the government force the banks to never be able to say no to someone on a home mortgage worked so well, lets just apply it to the healthcare system too.

If you really want to help someone, the Liberals that want to have this change, go hand someone half of their salary rather than increasing our taxes to force us to do the exact same thing?

Wishing you a Merry Christmas even if we disagree on Politics.

That is exactly the same argument Liberals made about the Conservative war dogs when they just had to go fight an unjust war in Iraq, yet hardly and Congressmen sent there children to the war that weren't already enlisted. Small world.

Actually the Senate Democrats had put on the table that Americans opt into a system similar to the coverage that Congress had, but the Conservadems and Republicans said absolutely not.

But the same argument has been made in the opposite direction, if Republicans want to do away with Medicare and Medicaid so badly maybe those members that are already on the programs need to drop out of it to show that they are serious. No one's done it yet, but that isn't surprising. Politicians are politicians because they have an innate ability to talk out of both sides of their mouth.

Happy Christmas and Happy Holidays.

You've got to love the lib mindset...despite being forced to pay for Medicare for decades, conservatives and Republicans should "show they are serious" and drop out of those programs...thereby leaving all THEIR money for the liberals to use. Typical lib-think...

do you also consider dems and president obama politicians?

Actually no it is not a liberal mind set MrsSmith, but nice try. Conservative politicians have been trying for decades to get rid of medicare and medicaid. Our simple request is that if they are serious about getting rid of the system then those that are already on it should drop it as coverage. I don't really understand how you see a liberal asking a conservative to stand up for his ideals as a money grab, but congratulations none-the-less for making the jump in logic.

doodle bug, of course they are. Everyone in Washington, everyone that has ever ran for office are politicians. Some are better than others. For example, John McCain called the situation where Minnesota Senator Al Franken denied Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman's request to extend his time as unprecedented even though McCain had done the very exact thing during the Iraq War. Apparently when McCain did it himself it was perfectly fine, but somehow in 2009 (years later) it was unprecedented.

Mike,

In your zeal to paint all conservatives as evil, you failed to research Sen. Coburn's actual statement. "What the American people ought to pray is that somebody can't make the vote tonight. That's what they ought to pray."

No ones name is listed, no veiled threats, and no wish for harm.

Merry Christmas to all!

How does that change what he said. Bottom line is he was wanting people to pray that someone didn't make the vote. He and you can come out later and claim that he was actually telling people to pray that an alarm clock didn't go off all you want but the point is clear, using people's religions to boost your political ideology is an abhorrent idea. Honestly, though, it that's what he meant he should have said it.

Asking Americans to pray that somebody can't make the vote is very vague and be honest if someone of the Muslim faith had said the same thing you would be going crazy with rage. He should be ashamed of himself and he should apologize to those Christians that use prayer as something serious and not as a political moment as Sen Coburn's attempt to impress the Tea Party crowds. My guess is that he did.

By the way Chunky I did research what he said which is why when I paraphrased him I wasn't changing much, telling people to pray that somebody can't make the vote and asking people to pray that something happens to a Senator are not far off. Seriously, using his cop out reply that he was talking about an alarm clock not going off it still falls within the guidelines of something happening to a senator.

I'd also like to know where you made up this idea that I have any zeal to paint all conservatives as evil. I don't, plain and simple. I believe some (note the word some) conservatives are outright liars and wouldn't know the truth if it was right in front of their face. But I don't use the term evil for political ideologues. Stalin putting people to death because of their political ideologies is evil, Senator Coburn telling people to pray that Health Care Reform doesn't pass, while strange and abhorrent, is not evil.

But hey as always thanks for making up words and thoughts and crediting them to me. I don't know what I would do without you guys telling me what I have said or thought.

What happened to Sean's comment at the top of this thread? I can honestly say I did not flag his comments.