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You Talkin' To Me?Posted Thursday, May 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM
Our friend Michael has asked me to outline my complaints against the modern day public school system. I have leveled sharp criticism at the State Indoctrination System, and Michael certainly has every right to call me out. You talkin' to me?! I used the word "lies" when I made my comments about the schools system. This is what I mean by lies. Darwinism and Evolution Theology. I think I have been fairly clear here. If you want to believe in evolution, by all means, go ahead. There comes a point however, in a classroom, with a young child, where you teachers are saying that Darwinism is truth. Evolution is truth. What is truth? To me, a Christian, truth is God. God created all things. So, you say that I lie then? Millions of Christians have a personal witness that they have a relationship with God, and they testify to the truth that God created all things. So, I say, you lie when you present Darwin's theory as truth. You have your religion, and I have mine. Michael wants to have an argument about Creation versus Evolution. That is not the argument. The argument is that one side, the religious leftists, should not have an inappropriate access to young kids with their beliefs. If the left insists on preaching their religion, with their prophets like Darwin, then we of the Christian faith should have an opportunity to show what we believe is truth. Environmental teachings. Every time you make a child participate in these loony Earth Day celebrations, you teachers are participating in a religion. You are prostelysing the kids into the global warming hoax, and your religious leftist views that mankind is a monster upon the Earth, and needs to be controlled for the Earths good. (Of course, this flies right in the face of your own Darwinism. If indeed the survival of the fittest is the way it all happened, then surely the Earth and all beings will adapt to our presence. The Earth will evolve to suit us, the fittest) Not all of us agree with your religious environmental views. My religion teaches that we humans are good for the Planet Earth, and that humans mining God given resources leads to harmony. You on the religious left show a religious film in schools by your apostle Gore, An Inconvenient Lie; that is religious indoctrination. Again, Michael and his friends will want to argue, Global Warming or no. Again, that is not the argument. You have your religion, and I have mine. Further lies: Homosexuality is normal. Since you cannot prove that using your usual preachers (aka Scientists), you are again engaging in your opinion, and presenting it as fact. There are those of us that believe that homosexuality is harmful to society, and to the persons engaging in that kind of activity. You disagree, you want Heather to have two mommies. Super, give the kids both sides in school. Abortion and the Right To Life. I believe that schools lie when they tell a student that no one died during an abortion. You believe diferently. Only your view is presented in schools. When I say you religious leftists are afraid of debate, this is clearly what I mean. If you religious leftists are so confident in your positions, than why make the classroom off limits to Christians? Why can they not have the opportunity to expose Darwin for the putz he was? Your afraid to do that in the State Indoctrination Centers, and you know it. Your unions will never allow it. Politicians you support will fight to keep you safe from debate. During the last Earth Day, young school kids were interviewed. Damn near half the kids thought the Planet would be dead before they reach adulthood. You wanna talk about lies Michael? Kids told that their parents SUV or plasma TV will kill the Planet. Good Grief. You talkin' to me? Yo - Teachers! I am not paying you to Darwinize my kids. I am not paying you to scare them about the Planet. I am not paying you to help them get abortions without parental knowledge. I am not paying you to tell about all the wonders of living life as a homosexual. I am not paying you to saturate my kids with your leftist religion. I am not trying to be harsh here. Don't tell me to mind my own business, and just hand over the checkbook. You folks in education never seem to tire of needing more money from me, yet you want me to keep that silly "Jesus thing" to myself. You get all offended when I say you're telling lies in the classroom. When I tell my kids God created them, you say I lie in the classroom. When I tell my kids that we humans are not killing the planet, and God gave us oil, you say I lie in the classroom. When I tell my kids that homosexuality is not normal, and they should avoid it, you say I lie in the classroom. When I tell my kids that an unborn child, three months in a womb, is a gift from God, and a human life, you say I lie in the classroom. You talkin' to me? Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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I'll post a blog later but just a preview, Sam you are so far from the truth I struggle where to even start.
You clearly have no idea what is actually taught in the public school. I've said it before that you should be ashamed of yourself for the attempt to convince people that teachers are horrible people, but I am beginning to see that you don't feel sorry for yourself and your goal is to demonize teachers as a whole no matter what the cost as long as your beliefs are indoctrinated on all children.
Sam,
Certainly I am not about to try to tell you what to believe in Religion, or how to follow that personal belief.
Likewise, I don't care what you think of my personal religious belief, and have no intention of letting you change me.
However, in tax supported public schools, there is a problem.
Science must be taught as science, using accepted scientific methods.
As a boy, while digging a pit on the ranch, I uncovered a sandstone slab, about six x eight feet, totally covered with the imprint of a fern frond. There was an embossed pattern on all portions of that slab, and it ws obvious the original plant section had been considerably larger.
This was fact.
Mammoth and prehistoric animal fossils commonly found in the northern plains are rather obvious facts.
Traces of creatures which can be accurately carbon dated or placed in geologic age throughgeologic analysis - are facts.
DNA tests taken from mammoth and other frozen carcasses in the Artic and Antartic regions are facts -- and not theories.
Now--consider the roots of EVERY ANCIENT RELIGION.
Those religions, Judean, Muslim, Zen, Buddists, Shinto, Aztec, Inca, Mayan, Hindu, Sikh and all the other historic faiths -- had human founders.
Every one of those men KNEW the earth was flat.
Some of their beliefs were at best -- laughable.
They all believed women a\were dn are inferior, without any human rights.
Most believed any person of a different color was sub-human, or maybe not evey any kind of human.
Many believed any man who looked with lust upon a female, including his own wife, was guiltly of mortal sin and subject to death by stoning.
Virtually all faiths, including Judeo-Christian practiced polygamy.
Others practiced polyandry.
The earth was absolutely flat.
These were the founders of the great religions.
They were mostly illiterate, woefully ignorant of almost all scientific knowledge -- and nany of these religions shared common beliefs.
That is true of Judiaism, Christianity and Islam.
The ancient languages of Judea and the Islamic Arab world are virtually interchangable.
The Old Testament is commonly accepted by many fundamentalist Christian faiths as Holy Scripture.
The New Testament was compiled about 300 years after the death of Christ from more than 350 books prepared by different individuals and groups. Were the discarded offerings any less Holy?
Name one.
Which is the accurate translation of the Bible, Greek, Italian, Aramaic, Armenian, Coptic, King James, one of the Modern Unabridged Bibles, or ??
The King James is the commonly accepted bible in the North American protestant community today.
Yet, history reveals that version was developed by those seeking favor with King James, and he wanted a Bible which approved some of his more interesting activities.
Then we have the more recent BOOK OF MORMON, handed to Joseph Smith on GOLD TABLETS, which somehow disappeared after that New York farm boy accomplished the ranslation.
How many protestant churches are there in the Mid-lands of the U.S.??
From the Texas Gulf Coast and the Rio Grande Valley to the Canadian border? SEVERAL teach that unless a person is baptized in their faith, they are doomed to ETERNAl HELL.
THERE ARE DIVISIONS WITHIN EVERY RELIGION.
THERE ARE NO SUCH GARGANTUAN SPLITS IN SCIENTIFIC CIRCLES.
BEING REALISTIC ABOUT BOTH, WHO AM I TO BELIEVE ABOUT SCIENCE?
A few minor points about the Bible. It clearly states in some of the oldest books that the Earth is round, not flat.
It gives more rights to women than was culturally normal in both the Old and New Testament. In fact, the New Testament makes it very clear that the man is to treat his wife as Christ treats the church, love her as his own flesh, and treat her as an equal heir to Heaven.
It does not teach that other races were or are inferior, either. It does not teach that a man should be stoned for looking upon his wife with lust.
It teaches that the FOUNDER was God, not any man. In truth, it is incredible to think that someone raised in the Egyptian ruling class and given the best possible education of his time (and remember, the Egyptians of Moses time were far from primitive), would write that light came BEFORE the sun.
"The writers" were also most certainly not illiterate. They did WRITE the words down, after all. While the writers certainly did not have modern scientic knowledge, the fact is that much of our "knowledge" is incorrect...which is why science textbooks must be updated frequently...to purge all the stuff that turned out to be wrong.
The New Testament was NOT compilied from 350 books. The gospels were the eye-witness accounts of some of the disciples, and the rest were the letters written by them and by Paul.
At this time, the most accurate translation is probably the NASB, but many churches choose a translation written in simpler language...because in this time of "great knowledge and literacy," many people don't read at a college level...and the NASB was written to that reading level.
The King James is not the most commonly used version.
Of course, most of the tranlations are essentially the same, because they are TRANSLATIONS...so that question is really a matter of choice. Only a few translations are really out of favor by CHRISTIAN scholars because they blur the genders of certain passages and thereby actually change the meaning...like the NLT.
While there may actually be a few churches that teach incorrectly, the FACT is that the vast majority of Christian churches accept the same precepts...and the fact that "The Church" is made up of all peoples who have accepted the Lord Jesus as Savior, regardless of race, background, church affiliation, country of origin, or anything else. That so many are ignorant of this fact can be laid at the feet of the liberal-dominated education system in our country...and the absolute refusal to teach the true history and foundation of our country.
Finally, why would DNA (which God made) or fossils (which God made) make any difference? The facts are facts, it's the interpretation of them within the scientific community that is incorrect. Obviously, since God made the everything, and told us how...at some point, if science will ever be completely correct, it will line up with the things God did. Until then, we'll put up with the constant, never-ending changing of scientific "fact."
Here is another bit of wisdom from Charlie Daniels:
Bear By The Tail
There was a man who went to Alaska to live with the grizzly bears. He thought that if he went among them thinking they were not really thousand pound killing machines but affable fuzzballs who were just misunderstood by man that he could become a part of their family.
The arrangement worked fine until one day the man did something the bears didn't like and they attacked him and his girlfriend and ate them. True story.
There is a lesson to be learned from this sordid tale. The man actually thought he was doing a good thing, showing the gentle side of grizzly bears but he forgot one thing...
A grizzly bear living in the wilderness is a wild animal and will always be a wild animal and will not tolerate a human being inside his living space and no amount of human love and patience is going to change that. It's simply not in a man's ability to live among wild grizzly bears and survive for very long.
Before you cherry pickers get your poison fingers poised over the keyboard, let me put a caveat on the analogy I'm about to offer. I am not calling the Islamic people wild animals.
But in my humble opinion, our President is a bit like the grizzly man when it comes to dealing with the Islamic extremists. I think that in spite of his great intellect and charismatic personality, he is naive and idealistic in thinking that they have been misunderstood by previous administrations and all it takes is someone who understands them and feels their pain.
In his first 100 days in office, he bows to the Saudi King, berates America in the presence of the Arab world, sits quietly in the same room with Latin American dictators while they lash out at the U.S., publishes our interrogation techniques, gives the war a kinder gentler name and dismantles the domestic anti-terror infrastructure.
Mr. President, you are walking among grizzly bears and I don't think you even know it. You are kowtowing to people who kill their own children for breaking the rules, who treat women like cattle and cut the heads off their captives. They only understand power, and you're only showing them meekness.
Do you know that all the gracious overtures you have made are perceived as weakness in the Arab world? You have, however unwittingly, given them a world of public relation coups and intelligence without even knowing or maybe caring.
Bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia was a big screw up. Maybe not among your fawning supporters in the U.S., but among the Arab world where whatever caption or voiceover they desire can be added to a Middle Eastern sound bite to make you appear as being subservient to an Arab king.
You have exposed our interrogation techniques to the enemy so that they will be able to know what to expect and train to hold out past the point they know we will not pass.
By changing the name of the war to sound like some Boy Scout outing, you have belittled the men and women fighting the War on Terror and basically told our enemies that we really don't have anything against them, although they want to destroy us. It's all America's fault anyway.
By dismantling the safeguards President Bush put into motion to protect the homeland from attack, you have severely weakened America's ability to detect and deter another attack.
They're out there, Mr. President, they're circling our defenses looking for vulnerable places to attack, and with your naivety and flower child attitude, you have made their job much easier.
Watch out for the grizzly bears, Mr. Obama
P.S. Could you please give us a Secretary of Homeland Security who will actually try to protect the homeland rather than spending their time inventing new semantics and playing parlor games with our future?
And while you're at it how about an uh... non-arrogant, uh... uh... articulate Press uh... Secretary.
What do you think?
Pray for our troops
God Bless America
Charlie Daniels
When did the Bible mention anything about how Jesus treats the church considering Christianity wasn't even a religion until well after he died on the cross.
Nice try - Your truth has been backed up by a bunch of lawyers! Funny Stuff.
You don't want to face the truth. You are practicing a religion, and I don't really care what your lawyer thugs on the Supreme Court say about it.
You're caught, and now you and Michael will try and wiggle out of it. Your beliefs are facts now.
You guys crack me up.
As far as I know, there is no one on this planet older than 130 or so. (I'm not really sure how old) the point being this:
- all of us have questions as to how we got here, why we are here, and where does it all lead. No one has first hand knowledge. You have your hypothesis, and I have mine. The problem comes when you on the religious left have the utter gall to think that you, above all people, have THE answers.
"Professing themselves to be wise, they are fools."
Guillermo, Shalom.
You say "The Constitution doesn't allow your religious beliefs to be taught."
I do believe you to be wrong in that statement. Consider: When this country was taking on new States, one of the requirements for statehood was that the Christian Bible be taught in the public school system.
You write and state your mind well. Go to the 'Wallbuilders' web site, and do some research about this being a Christian Country, founded by Christians.
It is the Christian tolerance, on which this country is based, that allows all faiths to be practiced within our boundaries. "Truth" does not need to make anyone believe that Truth, unless the person wants to. Therefore, No pressure, unlike many of the other 'religions.'
Please consider, ponder, and determine your future.
In Messiah, Jesus. Arley Steinhour
Anyone who calls America a Christian country is no better than a Muslim terrorist.
"Darwinism and Evolution Theology. I think I have been fairly clear here. If you want to believe in evolution, by all means, go ahead. There comes a point however, in a classroom, with a young child, where you teachers are saying that Darwinism is truth. Evolution is truth. What is truth?"
It's called "evolution" not darwinism you uneducated hick.
Evolution is as true as our planet's orbit around the sun. Of course a god-soaked moron like you wouldn't know that.
Evolution theology? WTF are you talking about? Do you also think there's a gravity theology?
Grow up and educate yourself. You Christian retards disgrace our country.
You talk about religious tolerance Navyblue and that's a nice thought if it were true. The sad part, especially in the last 10 years, if you are not a Christian you are not worthy to be American.
Sam wants religion to be taught in the public schools. My question is, does he want all religion to be taught or just the religion he thinks is right to be taught? If I had to guess I would bet on the latter.
Religion is taught in the schools. At the school I teach at it is taught in a class called World Religions where all religions are studied.
America may have been founded on christian values but those values were buried a long time ago and it wasn't by the "emotionals".
Sam, I believe your really far off base this time. Most of the "lies" you posted were either not taught in school or the ones you mentioned were so extreme that they are rare and when the news picks them up they have a hey day.
If teachers have more influence over your kids then you, maybe it's time to rethink your parenting strategies.
By the time I was in 10th grade we had a few introductions to evolution. my 10th grade biology teacher told us she doesn't understand why students don't accept Evolution. That showed me the little influence her teaching of evolution has had on students over the years. This was teaching over several years.
If you teach one religion in school you have to teach them all. Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam ect. Can you accept that or would you try to spin and say the government is trying to turn your kids into Islamic extremists?
Do you trust the school teaching your child religion? How do you know that the person they hire will A) be a member of your religion and B) teach the religion without putting their own interpretation of religion on it.
Do you really want the school to dumb down something so personal to your very soul? You know they sure as hell won't do the subject justice.
A lot of the time it people go to several churches before they find a pastor they believe in. you don't get that choice in the school.
When it comes to religion and all the different ones, It's a lot easier to ban the teaching of it in schools then try to accommodate everyone. you can't have your cake and eat it too.
I don't believe that student's should be banned from wearing religious jewlery or from bringing religious material. I actually encourage them too. I used to take my bible to class. I don't trust a teacher teaching the subject without bias though.
I don't see many teachers helping student's with abortions. Sure there are a few nuts out there that will. I don't agree with them. I think that as long as the child is under the age of majority, the parents have every right to know.
Homosexuality also isn't talked about in high school as something natural. Actually, it was extremely looked down upon during my time at MHS. College is something different, especially in the psychology departments. Personally, I feel that the government should stay out of wallets and our bedrooms. Two gay people getting married honestly doesn't affect my life. I also think that God judges us by what we individually do, not by what the nation decides. Throughout history some societies such as the ancient greeks have tolerated homosexuality with some greeks believe the love between two men is more true then the love between man and wife. Other societies its something that punishable by stoning the gay people to death.
I don't think there's a lot of data that we can for sure say Global Warming exists or doesn't exist. Temperatures have only been recorded for so long that its like a grain of sand in the Sahara Desert. I think there is proof that shows it could be part of the natural cycle of the earth. However, I also think there's proof to holes in the ozone layer. I've also been to Chicago on one of the worst smog days there and wonder how it doesn't affect the earth. It smelled horrid and tasted just as bad. I think I'll take the precaution and push for new technologies that help reduce green house gasses. At least I would be able to see the Sears (soon to be Willis) Tower from the interstate when Driving Midway airport every day and not feel light headed when I got there. Also, teaching kids earth day to pick up litter probably wont hurt anything.
God gave us resources, However, he didn't give us an infinite amount of them.
Also, Telling someone who doesn't believe in God that God created something wont do any good. It's like telling an unborn baby to wait a couple years to come out. It just wont work. It'd be like someone saying you should believe in Islam then you ask them why and they reply because the Koran says so. It won't convince you to follow Islam.
Millions of people have had personal witness to God, non-believer probably have not.
Abortion isn't taught in schools at least not that I recall. I do believe that It should not be used as a birth control method, However, I won't fight for laws against it. I'd rather teach people about the silent scream. I don't recall in the bible where it says when birth happens. If the baby cannot live outside the womb, is it really it's own living being? Sure it resembles one. what about cases of rape, incest, or when the babies mother is at risk of dying? Why should a woman be put through pregnancy and labor for a baby she never asked for or one where she and the baby could both die. If it came down to a choice between your wife or your baby, who would you chose?
Those are probably questions for another discussion. Bottom line, The school cannot and should not teach everything. Religion should be left to the parents, not to the school. There's so many different religions especially in the city, you'll be asking for troubles. The school would pry screw it up anyways. Manners and morals should be left up to the parents too. can the school and should the school help aid? Yes. Then again, why is wearing a hat considered a bad thing in school? I never did understand that one.
Mike,
"The sad part, especially in the last 10 years, if you are not a Christian you are not worthy to be American."
Unfortunately, that also seems to be the case if you are a Christian.
"Anyone who calls America a Christian country is no better than a Muslim terrorist." - bobyyy
"You Christian retards disgrace our country."
-bobyyy
Thanks to bobyyy for proving my point so barbarously.
McCook how is that the case if you are a christian. All I've been hearing over the past few years is that christianity is under attack. It's a red herring. There are more christians in this country than the other religions combined. Just because someone chooses to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas is not an attack on chrisianity. The fact that people have been saying Happy Holidays for at least 50 years and it only became a problem in the past few years is a testament to just how loopy some people have gotten.
Now I will agree that if you are a certain kind of christian you are considered un-American by other sects.
Christianity has been under attack since its very beginning so it's not something I worry about too much since Christianity has survived worse than anything we see today. From a constitutional stanpoint, I will speak out if I see the government trying to deny a person's religion since that is a part of the Free Exercise Clause that few people ever mention but is still just as important as the Establishment Clause.
On the specific point about saying Happy Holidays, I don't recall addressing that point previously but I have no problem with people who want to say Happy Holidays but I don't think people should be discouraged or prevented from saying Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa or Bah Humbug if that's what they want to say. I say, let people express themselves freely and if somebody doesn't like it then maybe someone needs to welcome them to the real world instead of trying to shield them from it.
You hadn't addressed the Happy Holidays ... I was using it as an example of how some think christianity is being attacked.
Alot of people conveniently forget the free exercise clause on both sides and, personally for me, I think it is the more important of the two.
"It does not teach that other races were or are inferior, either. It does not teach that a man should be stoned for looking upon his wife with lust."
No, rather, it says to pluck out your eye if it causes you to lust. Doesn't sound any better than being stoned to me.
To call Jews the chosen people is too acknowledge them being a superior race. Which would obviously mean someone must be inferior.
"The New Testament was NOT compilied from 350 books"
Yes... it was.
"Of course, most of the tranlations are essentially the same, because they are TRANSLATIONS...so that question is really a matter of choice."
Do you realize how important TRANSLATIONS are to the history of christianity? Basically one word caused the split between catholicism and protestants. You can't believe everything a book says if we're not sure that's actually what it says.
mccookreader,
"No, rather, it says to pluck out your eye if it causes you to lust. Doesn't sound any better than being stoned to me."
The reasoning is that it's better to go to Heaven with one eye than it is to go to Hell with two. I've never been there but I don't hear good things about the latter of the two choices.
"To call Jews the chosen people is too acknowledge them being a superior race. Which would obviously mean someone must be inferior."
If this were true then the Bible would reflect the Jews as being superior, If anything, Jesus teaches of loving your neighbor and your enemy but never preaches about being superior to any race. He was the one who wanted to share the rewards of Heaven with all races.