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It's All About LovePosted Sunday, December 28, 2008, at 11:25 PM
Speak out against the growing homosexual agenda in America, and you get labeled a hate monger. It's a clever tactic, and the left draws it like a gun. It keeps Christians on the defensive, I mean really, who wants to labeled a hate monger or a bigot? I know we are all human beings, that we all far short of our own expectations, much less society's expectations. No one knows it all, and many of us choose to believe in God, and the Bible. We have every right, one could even call it a duty, to speak out on things that are in accordance with our faith. Sometimes it's painful...and frank. Touchy subjects that no one wants to really deal with, and I know it sucks, but a fight is forced on us. The growing homosexual agenda is just one of many fronts the left and atheists in American choose to change our culture. Do we not have a right to fight for a culture that is decent, and honorable, and moral? Oops, I stepped in it there, didn't I? I had to go and talk about morals. Who am I to judge anybody? Who am I to say what is right or wrong? AND, yet aren't the homosexuals declaring what is right or wrong? It's all about love. Since I don't know it all, I trust in God. I turn to Wisdom and Understanding that has been handed down through centuries, and served our ancestors well. AND, friends, no matter what the left tells you, this nation's founders were Christians, almost all of them, they had profound faith, and dignity. No, I don't want a theocracy, but I have every right to stand up and fight against things that are against God, and therefore against me...and my family, and your family, and my daughters' family. It's all about love. Christians stand up for cultural issues because they love, not because they hate. We conservatives know the game. The left always does the very thing they accuse others of doing. It's a pain, but, you have got to hand it to them, they use it well. If you are against affirmative action, you are called a racist. I am not a racist. I would say that I am more of a "get over it, and get your fanny to work" kind of guy. I remember not to long ago that folks in San Fransisco were collecting money to buy the homeless new shopping carts. That's the lefts idea of love. Christians have a duty to fight for the cultural heart of America, and the hell with the left and their foul words. It's all about love. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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DEAR MR. ELDRIDGE:
Whether you believe it or not, there's really very little difference between a Gay and Straight person other than the gender of the person they're likely to get into a relationship with. Just as Gay and Straight people are equally capable of behaving horribly, so we are equally capable of conducting our lives with decency and humility.
So here's the big question for YOU:
Why is it that Straight couples are encouraged to date, get engaged, marry and build lives together in the context of monogamy and commitment, and that this is good thing ... and yet for Gay couples to do EXACTLY THE SAME THING is somehow a BAD thing? Aren't monogamy and commitment what you describe as "decent and honorable and moral"?
What constitutional justification can be made for denying law-abiding, taxpaying Gay couples exactly the same benefits and responsibilities as Straight couples? It certainly woulnd't be anything to do with children, since a marriage license is not a prerequisite for having children, nor is the desire to have children a precondition for obtaining a marriage license.
There is only one "homosexual agenda," and that is to be treated fairly. I really don't care whether you want to quote Scripture at me. I really don't care what your church thinks of me, since civil rights and responsibilities come from government, not the church.
You claim "it's all about love." Well here's a suggestion: Apply The Golden Rule to how you deal with your Gay friends, family members and co-workers. In other words, treat them as you yourself would wish to be treated.
CHUCK ANZIULEWICZ
http://anziulewicz.livejournal.com
Thanks for commenting. Chuck, I understand the points you make. They are the same points that are always made when talking about same sex relationships.
First off, the government is not the guarantor of our rights, God is. The Declaration of Independence, our founding document, states that we are endowed "by our Creator," with rights. Governments tend to be evil Chuck, and we the people can really only trust government when a government at least TRIES to upholds the standards of a Holy God.
The Government has already overruled God on life. The Government has declared that you can indeed kill innocent life, have they not? So how in the world can you trust Government to guarantee your rights?
Polygamists can use the same argument as Homosexuals. Why does government have the right to tell three people, how ever they are divided gender-wise, that they can not marry, and raise children? Is there not a moral judgement that is being made to deny these poor discriminated against polygamists their rights to sexual and relationship freedom?
Just leave the polygamists alone, and let them live their lives. Why does that argument only work for same sex relationships. Polygamist could even argue that they have had to resort to marrying fourteen year old girls because they have been driven underground by the polygamy phobes.
Prostitution is illegal in most places, are we again judging when we prohibit a woman from doing what she wants to do with her body? Why do we make these judgements? Because we're bored, and just decided to pick on somebody?
We make these judgements because we have to make them. Society demands that these judgements be made all the time. AND, Christians have every right/duty to freely speak up, without being attacked or labeled a hate monger.
DEAR MR. ELDRIDGE:
While it may sound poetic to say that "God" is the guarantor or our rights, from a practical standpoint the argument is irrelevant. God does not have a website, a phone number, or a television program. God does not maintain an office on Capitol Hill. Various people today claim to have a more profound understanding of the Mind of God, but disagreements abound even among them.
It isn't God that provides the some 1,400 legal and financial benefits and responsibilities that go with marriage at the state and local levels. And it is not the purpose of government, nor of the Constitution, to make things "sacred." Those who believe that marriage is sacred usually choose to be married in a religious ceremony. Gay couples may or may not be making a religious or moral statement; though most Christian denominations do no recognize such commitment, some do. Regardless, Gay couples simply wish to be legally bound to each other by law. We wish to have all the same privileges of any lifelong couple.
If the government still considers "marriage" to be a religious designation rather than a legal one, it has no business making any laws concerning that institution. If, as confirmed by its actions, the government believes "marriage" to be a legal contract, it has no business denying that contract to any two people, no matter what their gender might be.
As for tiresome, "slippery slope" argument about polygamy, it's a red herring. I can just as easily argue that if you allow a man to marry ONE woman, you HAVE to allow him to marry two or more. For the purpose of tax law and Social Security, such polygamous arrangements simply won't work. Gay Americans simply seek the same right that Straight Americans have always taken for granted: The right to marry someone we love, within the bounds of monogamy and age-of-consent laws.
CHUCK ANZIULEWICZ
http://anziulewicz.livejournal.com
Chuck,
I'm finally glad someone has had the courage to speak up to mister eldridge.
He says that the left label him as a person who hates when he doesn't support gay marriage rights, but if the bible said that black or Asian people were less than white people or being of mixed origin was wrong, would you not fight against their rights? if you believe what the bible says than i would say that you are a bigot, and a hatemonger, at least if you enforce the beliefs in the bible like so many of your ilk do.
"The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect "a wall of separation between church and State."
This was said by Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black in regards to the case Everson v. Board of Education in 1947, It is one example of the state upholding the separation of church and state. thusly the government should have no regard as to who can or cannot marry based on religious bias.
So you don't believe in God because He doesn't have a website or a phone number. I am sure that makes sense to a liberal.
I notice you always use the word gay instead of homosexual. If being homosexual is so wonderful, then why do you hide behind words like gay?
You are seriously wrong in the whole "wall of separation" myth. It is not in the Constitution, that is a fairy tale.
Not one of you homosexual supporters has addressed any of the negative aspects of the homosexual agenda in America. I understand. After all, how can you defend 500-1000 different sexual partners per homosexual, sex with strangers on a regular basis, and the long list of disease and death that results? Even modern, whacked out, dead between the ears liberals think that is a bit much.
And Billy - Seriously, try and have some coffee before you write. It might help you actually make sense. No one needs to be afraid to stand up to "Mister Eldridge". I will freely debate anyone, on any subject, even goofy liberals like you and chuck.
goofy liberals? the only reason that my writing doesn't make the best sense is because of the format, trying to convey your emotions via typing really doesn't properly reflect what you actually want to say or mean. Anyone can find a bunch of bogus facts and attribute them as fact Sam. Just because you happen to choose a conservative anti homosexual to base your "facts" on doesn't make it true. And using the word "gay" instead of "homosexual" doesn't mean that we are trying to hide anything. they are the same thing they mean the same thing. Maybe i should start referring to your "god" by what he really is... a lie.
So since you believe in some superstitious book, written supposedly over a thousand years ago why does that make you right? why isn't anybody else right? why are Jewish people wrong? why are Hindu or Islamic people wrong? they have a book. there are many religions that predate Christianity why aren't they right Sam? All your religion is, is a shield for you to hide behind. you live your life believing in something that you have no proof of existing. And don't feed me your bull-crap about how you can. come show it to me. i dare you. you will fail just as all other religions have failed.
It is your ignorance mister eldridge, not ours, that is ruining this country. your intolerance your stubbornness and refusal to change. You stick to your precious bible as if it is the glowing light to save you from the rest of the world, well i'm sorry but it isn't.
The world has changed and is changing, you can sit in your little shell of ignorance or you can embrace it. it is your choice.
more comments from the "tolerant, all accepting, all inclusive" liberals? LOL I have a very difficult time trying to determine why they are so determined to prove us conservatives wrong. If you don't believe in the Bible, that is fine; we Christians feel that you folks will be the ones most surprised.
it isn't that we aren't accepting or tolerant, it is the simple fact that we don't want to hear it. You can do your own thing, but don't go trying to force it down the throats of others, you can only push so far before somebody pushes back. Homosexuals are people too and the fact that you are trying to strip of them of their rights because your religion deems it wrong is not right. the same thing that happened to African americans and women is happening to gays in america today. It is unjust prosecution based upon peoples beliefs. just leave them alone and just leave us alone. i'm not saying you cannot believe in what you want to i'm just saying not to be hypocritical in the way in which you do it.
The "wall of separation" between church and state is NOT a myth. You would be correct in asserting that those exact words are not in the constitution. The constitution makes 2 mentions of religion.
1. There shall be no religious test to hold office.
2. 1st amendment "Congress shall make no laws regarding establishment of religion etc etc."
If your argument is the interpretation of the first amendment, and what the founders meant...
The phrase "wall of separation" (in regards to separating religion and government) was written by Thomas Jefferson in a letter.
In the treaty of Tripoli, John Adams wrote "The United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion"
And you are correct in stating that the Declaration of Independence mentions god. However, it mention's god only once, and it reference's "Nature's God". That is a nonspecific generalization. It does not reference WHICH god. You might assume it is the Christian god, however many of the founding fathers held deistic beliefs, not Christian beliefs. Jefferson, who wrote the declaration, re-wrote the gospels removing all of Jesus' miracles and claims to divinity.
And even if "Nature's God" referenced the God of the Bible, it wouldn't matter. The Declaration is NOT our founding document, the Constitution is.
The leftists never have a problem with all of the other religions on the planet, save two...and those being Christianity and Judaism.
Curious, the left will often defend the Islamic Nazi's, or anyone else, but they hate the God of the Bible.
If the left likes it, be wary of it.
If the left promotes it, run from it.
If the left believes in it, try and stop it.
If the left hates it, support it.
If the left tries to destroy it, then defend it.
Fairly simple.
Well jeez i guess you better start stopping free speech, be wary of equal rights, run from freedom of religion, and try to stop christianity. There are many christians in the left of the political world. I love how you assume we are all paganistic, psychotic, baby killers with nothing better to do than make the right-wingers miserable, but we're not and many of us probably live among you and you don't know any difference. You live in a very enchanted world mister Eldridge.
C'mon Billy! If I lived in an enchanted world, then I would have already outlawed the baby killing you speak of.
I know that there on people on the left that say they are Christians. I refuse to accept that. Either you support the murder of your own babies, or you don't, there is no gray area.
I marvel at the liberals who say, "I don't believe in Abortion, but who am I to tell someone what is right or wrong?"
I could say, "I don't believe in Bank Robbery, but who am I to tell somebody it is wrong? I don't believe in child molestation, but who am I to tell somebody else what is right or wrong?"
It is a senseless argument, and excuses people from action.
You see Billy, down inside, you know the truth, and you just don't want to accept it. I understand, truth requires action, doesn't it?
And what action are you taking sam? ranting on an e-mail blog? wow big step. I'm comfortable with the situation. Deep down inside i do think that women have the right to choose. and deep down inside i don't feel it is my place to tell you what to do. It is your life you do with it as you please. i think you are just so upset with your lame-duck republicans that you have dropped off the deep end of conservative republicanism. BTW living in an enchanted world doesn't mean a world wherein you make the decisions Sam it means to live in a world apart from the real world, your near psychotic ideology has disallowed you to see the world for what it is instead of an enemy of your beliefs.
As a liberal, I personally have nothing against any god. And I have no problem with any of your beliefs. I don't care if you believe in Allah. I don't care if you believe Jesus is the Messiah. I don't care if you believe YOU'RE the Messiah. I don't care if you believe Elvis was the Messiah.
What I do care about is when your own personal religious beliefs are pushed on others through legislation.
Our country was founded not as a Christian country, but as a free country. And the first amendment states that congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Making laws based solely on religious doctrine is illegal according to the "supreme law of the land" (Constitution).
So when people pass laws like Proposition 8 (or other gay marriage bans) because it is against their religious beliefs for people of the same sex to wed, it is unconstitutional.
But hey, as long as we legislating by the bible's standards, why stop with homosexual marriage?
Lev. 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
--OK, no gay sex, we get it.
Lev. 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
--Better hope you have a beard!
Lev. 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
--Honor your parents, or die.
Lev. 20:18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.
--Sex during that "time of the month", banishment.
Plenty more in just Leviticus...
Just a thought for everyone. What if we chose to live our individual lives in accordance with our individual beleifs, and let everyone else do the same. In this blog and following comments I saw references to religeon, culture, and morals. These are all very dynamic concepts in this day and age. Religeon: There are literally a thousand different religeons in this country, all with different beleifs, and some of those that oppose each other even use the same book, they just interpret it differently.
Culture: This is America, and there is really no American culture any more. We have allowed too much immigration to transplant their culture in our country. There are schools in Nebraska that require students to learn spanish and hire spanish speaking teachers to teach. But they do not require spanish speaking students to speak english. There are several towns in Nebraska that have been taken over by immigration, you cant even get a job in those town unless you are bilingual. There has been no effort to conform to our culture, they simply transplanted their cultures here. It obviously didn't work where they came from, what makes them think it would work here.
Morals: I have noticed that a lot things that were considered immoral 20 years ago are not received the same way today. The more socially accepted something becomes, it seems to lose its negative spin. Divorce used to be a bad thing, now people get married and divorced on a whim. Teenage pregnancy used to be a bad thing, now it is an epidemic with numerous programs in place to soften the blow to the mother and child. The more we see all the things that used to be taboo, and the more money that can be generated by supporting it, the more it will be accepted.
I am a man that likes women and I go to a christian church, I dont believe in divorce, adultery, abortion, or homosexuality. I do believe in spanking your child, capital punishment, and carma. But you dont have to, and I will still respect you. I wont even argue with you about your beleifs, unless they interfere with the practice of mine. This may not be the correct way to be, but it works for me.
With regards to age-of-consent laws, it is well- known that homosexuals are trying to get those lowered in many states. Why? Because the want to have sex with our kids without repercussion. They down-play sex with children and try to convince us that it is actually good for them. So you say that homosexuals have rights, too. I say that our children have the right not to be molested. In all honesty, most homos were molested as children, and have resigned themselves to the lifestyle. God forgives, can you forgive yourself? You bought a lie.