Riding With An Outlaw

There are a few problems with the "only our way" approach to this issue.

FIRST --Back alley abortions were common prior to Roe V Wade. Over time, huge numbers of "mostly poor" pregnant girls and women died, along with their babies.

SECOND -- The ABSOLUTELY NO ABORTION thinkers WILL NOT accept doctor's professional judgment on health and safety of the pregnant woman. Absolutely NO WAY. Even when backed with independent second, third and fourth opinions.

FINALLY --There is no exception for a 15-year-old drug addicted prostitute, HIV positive, with a history of a dozen STD infections and near certainty to deliver an HIV baby, with major birth defects from all the drug damage.

If this infected, defective fetus is allowed to go full term -- The economic cost to the community can surpass the cost for a completely equipped school.

The biological father is unknown, the expectant mother is unfit for any positive role or support for an infant.

The taxpayers carry the burden.

Meanwhile, women of affluence will travel half-way around the world if necessary for hospital abortions and there is no conservative governmental interference which can stop that.

Nor will there be a serious effort, because many of these women will be daughters of wealthy, conservative Republicans.

As a conservative, I want government out of private lives and pocketbooks.

From conservative GOP leaderships, these past 30 years, we have had $14-Trillion of national debt, doubling of the federal budget and bureaucracy and federally mandated doubling of local governments, wars in Panama, Grenada, Somalia, Kosovo, Iraq (eight years) and Afghanistan -- along with unrelenting meddling in people's bedrooms and privacy.

Your arguments are bogus pal, and I really should not be amazed at how well the leftist propaganda machine works. You say you're a conservative, and yet you spew the liberal dogma.

In 1972, NARAL wanted baby killing legalized, so they flat lied about the numbers of women killed in so-called back alley abortions. While they claimed five to ten thousand deaths, the truth was far different, there were thirty nine. This lie was admitted to by the former director of NARAL, Dr. Bernard Nathanson, in his 1979 book, Aborting America.

The facts are irrelevant to the left in their quest for innocent blood. Abortion is the sacrament to the religion of liberalism. Lets kill over a million babies every year because of thirty nine difficult pregnancies. Marvelous thinking.

The leftists always use the rape and incest argument, it's all they have pal. Fact is, rape and incest account for far less than one tenth of one percent of American abortions, while ninety nine percent is due to stupidity, greed, and selfishness. Abortion is big money baby!

Towards the end of your alleged argument bigsur, you listed a litany of "evils" that we have to deal with, as if we should forget about the unborn, and deal with these real issues.

I contend that we have all these evils because we are murdering our own children, and as a nation, we have lost our soul. We really can not ask for a Holy God to Bless a nation that would kill it's own children, relentlessly and ruthlessly in incredible greed and ugliness.

So my alleged conservative friend, I suggest you quit listening to the liberal propaganda machines, like CBS, NBC, ABC, MSLSD, and CNN. They lie. They are lapdogs for the leftists in our country, and would not know the truth if it swam up and bit them on the fanny.

There are other victims in abortion other than the dead babies, the women who have them. So many studies are ignored by the Marxist press that indicates women suffer horribly from abortion, both physically and mentally. The scars last a lifetime.

Abortion, many times, separates a woman from God. They know they are doing wrong, which is why the Godless left wants so many of them. They know that women who have been strong-armed into abortion will most likely never raise their voices against it, because of the guilt and shame.

I can not see that Christians have had their way any ANY social argument since we stood by and let a bunch of Godless Judges throw God out of our schools. Abortion is killing thousands every day. Homosexuality is rampant, as is the growing anti-Christian agenda by the homosexual activists. Pornographers make more money every year than the three major networks combined, and you wonder why we have problems?

We Christians and conservatives have lost our intestinal fortitude, the left is wiping the floor with us, and bigsur, after reading your arguments, I see why.

Ronald Reagan, (remember him?) said: "America became great because we did what we should, not what we could."

Truth! It's a beautiful thing.

One can assume that bigsurmac's idea of most conservatives' stance on abortion is no abortion at any time for any reason. That straw man is much easier to knock down than any other reasoned view.

I just love when precise terms such as "back-alley abortions were common", "huge numbers", and "mostly poor…women died", are presented as factual justification for the rampant murder passed off as acceptable social behavior.

And thanks, bigsurmac (may I call you "mac"?), for the blithely-tossed assertion that abortion opposers won't ever ("NO WAY") accept a medical professional's judgment (yea, even unto the fourth opinion) that an abortion is medically justified--if you would have thrown in just one more medical opinion, I could have perhaps gone along. See, that's reasonable. It's that "only four opinion thing" that bothers me.

And mac writes, in a very specific scenario, that the child of a "15-year-old drug addicted prostitute, HIV positive, with a history of a dozen STD infections and near certainty to deliver an HIV baby, with major birth defects from all the drug damage" should be killed because we could have a new school for the same cost as the "community" and "taxpayers" would be assessed to rear the imaginary child, who presumably, would never be adopted, will always be a welfare recipient, and never be a productive member of society. Mac buddy, you do know you're funding the abortion industry already, don't you? And the schools, and the HIV drugs and hypodermic needles for the 15-year-old, and her medical care, and her food stamps and housing. Why are some of these programs acceptable to you and others not? Why not just have the girl killed, and save us all some taxes? There's a reasoned view.

At the risk of generalizing your claim to the label of conservative, I suggest you embrace all the tenets of true conservatism, as outlined by our founders under God's guidance, instead of just the ones you like or can be comfortable espousing.

Meanwhile, preach on Brother Sam--those of us up here in the choir loft are listening!

At the end of the third sentence in my above entrance it should say: "I do believe it should be Illegal".

That typo would ruin the whole base of my comment. Apologies on the typo.

I believe that a it would be impossible for a Christine to approve or support, or vote for someone who would support abortion. I knew that Obama supported abortion but when I heard that Obama voted 'yes' several times on laws that denied medical care to babies who had survived an abortion procedure but instead subjected those precious babies to a horrible and agonizing death, my blood ran cold. No amount of smooth talk can overcome such a callous and hard heart.