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Republicans and the Far-Right Have Hit Rock BottomPosted Friday, September 4, 2009, at 3:37 PM
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But the Republican Party who is controlled by the far-right fringe of its party, in an ever increasing attempt to create controversy in everything the president does are encouraging parents to keep their kids out of school that day, because they fear that the video is nothing more than an attempt by the president to indoctrinate their kids. Of course they are lying and they know they are lying but at this point in the game they simply don't care anymore. Nevermind that while President Reagan was in office he gave a speech to schoolchildren about taxes, or when he spoke to all the schoolchildren in the nation after the Shuttle Challenger explosion. Nevermind that President George W. Bush gave speeches to schoolchildren in his eight years in office. There's nothing wrong with those two men giving televised speeches to schoolchildren, because, put simply, they were Republican presidents. These are the same people who will protest at the drop of a hat music, tv, books, and movies based on what they have heard without actually taking the time for themselves to investigate what the hub-bub is all about. The hatred towards the president (and I'm sure at this point the usual suspects will come out of the woodwork claiming that I am calling them racists. It's not what I am saying, they hate the man because he is a Democrat and because of what he is supposedly doing to turn this country to socialism) has runs so deep in the far-right community that to the rest of us it has seemed that they will come up with just about anything to cause a controversy to make the president look bad. With this stunning attack they have proven without a doubt that they WILL do anything to cause controversy for the president. They will, of course, come back and say that is no different than what the the far-lefters did during President Bush's tenure as president, and to an extent they are right and it's a good point. But where the far-lefters and the far-righters differ at this point is the far-right is clearly just making it up as they go along. With Bush, his controversies ran from a wrong-headed attack on Iraq, to the horrible mismanagement of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, to the potential spying of Americans, to the torture of enemy combatants. To date the controversies surrounding President Obama have stemmed from the Tea Parties, where they were protesting against tax increases enacted under Bush, but blamed on Obama, his birth certificate, whether or not he is circumsized (which honestly is just creepy), his supposed attack on gun rights (though since he became president, Americans have actually gained MORE rights), his supposed death panels (which was a complete fabrication), and now to his attempt to indoctrinate children. The main differences here are the Bush controversies have all had verified evidence behind them to support the claims. With the controversies surrounding Obama it is simply speculation and outright lying. I wish the far-right fringes could grow up and have a civilized debate about the right direction for this country but they have shown, quite clear, that all they really care about is shouting down anyone who dares to disagree with them, because in their mind they are the only ones that are right and everyone else, in the words of Bill O'Reilly, just needs to shut up. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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I can't believe you still don't GET it Mike. My kids should not have to obey any senator, congressman, or president no matter what their party affiliation is.
The feral government is supposed to be run by the people of this country, not the other way around. If I'm going to teach my kid anything as he grows up it will be to get a good education, and always question government and biug business. Anywhere you have big money, you have big corruption and the pursuit of power.
The best thing my kids could ever do is grow a damn brain in their head and be able to tell the difference between something genuine and something that come from the mouths of power hungry ideologs.
Oh and let's not forget that we have to let our kids listen to a guy that launched his political career in the home of an admitted terrorist bomber that is not in prison to this day only because of a minor technicallity during the investigation.
Also a man who was "saved" by a man who is clearly racist as the KKK itself. The man who proclaimed in a church service, "Not God bless Amercica, God F--K America." Would you be spo kind as to fill in the blank for me Mike.
But to Barack's credit, he only went to the church on the days that Rev, Wright was preaching the Gospel, not preching vile hatred toward the U.S. hmmmmmmm.
Yes, this is truly a president to behold. You say republicans have hit rock bottom. I say you liberal have hit rock bottom because you fail to see what a failure this guy really is and how we now have to resort to dictarship-like tactics for him to get anything done....czars.....
Oh, I can;t forget van Jones, the biggest racist in the White House who doesn't even have to answer to the American people through congress. Van is a admitted communist and even a black panther isn't he. He also belongs to a group that claims our government intentionally let 9/11 happen.
See Mike, you can write whatever you want, but it won't change facts or history. Calling me lower than low also won't have any affect on the sensible values I teach my kids. the worst thing you could ever do to a child is allow them to think the goevrnment will always put the people first and that the government should take care of them.
I pity your children. Fortunately, they'll be working for my kids some day. All my kids will have to do is lead them around by that ring in their nose!
now mike is quoting Bill O'Reilly? that is really rich. "civilized debate"? when all you do is bash Republicans and conservatives? c'mon mike, get real
btw, i dont suppose you caught the news article re the liberal organizer educating his folks how to disrupt a town hall meeting? or acorn bussing members to town hall meetings? or seiu thugs beating on someone who disagreed with them
Mike,
Every article that I have read addresses the supporting material that the White House sent to teachers to accompany this speech and THAT is why people are upset about his speech. You, ever so conveniently fail to mention that at all though. Coincidence... I think not.
The White House has absolutely no business even making suggestions to teachers about what they should discuss with their class and how they should discuss it. The entire issue was with the way the plan was asking students how the President inspires them and posting in large print around the classroom, excerpts from Obama's speeches on education.
If the President wants to make a speech to kids about doing good in school, staying off drugs, eating their vegetables, etc. then that's fine but the plans he wants teachers to use in their classroom serves a double purpose in which students are made to think in a way that assumes they should support what the President is doing and that is the problem and that's why people are upset.
Nice to know that Justin thinks that a speech about telling kids to stay in school and get good grades is an evil thing to do. Apparently in Justin's mind it is perfectly fine for President Reagan to talk to his children about his tax policy but just plan wrong for President Obama to talk to his kids about good grades and staying in school.
McCook1, they are called suggestions for a reason, because it's up to the teacher to use them or not. If you truly think that's indoctrination or anyone else for that matter than I suggest, no no, I ask that you look up the definition of indoctrinate.
doodle bug I don't suppose you've seen Fox News or any of the insurance companies or the Tea Party organizers telling their supporters that the only way to be heard is to interrupt, talk over, and refuse to let the other side talk. I don't bash anyone. Just because you don't like what I have to say don't confuse it with bashing. I call them out on their dishonest, what they call, debate. When all you can do is call someone a basher and add nothing to the debate, that's bashing.
Justin I truly pity the kids, your kids are apparently among them, that are not allowed to think for themselves only the skewed vision you have of the past and present.
I don't demand or ask that anyone believes the way I believe. How I believe is, well how I believe. You on the other hand demand that people believe what you believe in or you deem them un-american, or communist, or any other disgraceful comment you can come up.
But Mike! I thought the 2008 elections proved everyone hated Republican, especially Conservative ones. That's why the voters gave you a president, a congress, and a senate. The last time I looked, you had an overwhelming majority. So why the fear?
Could all these intelligent voters be so easily fooled by the dastardly Republicans. I would think not, unless you're doubting their intelligence. So why the fear?
And what of the liberal voters. The 2008 election proved that only liberal voters, including a big chunk of Republicans, ushered in PBHO. Or maybe this country isn't that liberal.
Why the fear, Mike?
lol only in your eyes. and g.i., we will see what the liberals have to say when they become the minority again, and you know, that eventually, they will. will you call it crying and being contentious then?
Chunky Peanut Butter you are so off base you don't know what direction you are coming from. Liberal Democrats, Moderate Democrats, Independents and some Liberal Republicans voted Obama in. The only group that Obama didn't win was white people over the age of 65. How out of that do you get that ONLY liberal voters and a big chunk of Republicans elected Obama. The logic doesn't even stand up.
Actually, doodle bug, if you look at all the polls over the last 20 years, those describing themselves as Democrats or Liberals has always been higher than those that describe themselves as Republicans or Conservatives. The Republicans just had the scare card they could always play.
As for the eventuality of Democrats being in the minority again, it will happen, that's just the cycle of American politics. I just hope they will handle it a lot more civily than the Republicans have shown so far.
Mike,
I said liberal voters, and you reaffirmed it. liberal voters.
Chunky you once again prove that you truly believe that anyone who stands to the left of your very far right beliefs is liberal.
Sceptre are you still on the Palin kick? The only people that smeared her children were her and her husband.
Where were you when Rush Limbaugh attacked President Clinton's daughter when she was the ripe age of 12. Oh but I forget, according to you it's all jokes when it's done against liberals.
You folks have got to be the biggest sore losers in all of history.
You are the player that after a loss, when the victor comes to shake your hand you spit in your face.
You will stop at nothing to defame, smear, lie, and trash anyone who doesn't agree with you. But, sadly, just from all the posters and blogs since I started on this website, it doesn't surprise me.
anyone know how many other presidents have given a speech to school kids and who they were? Was also wondering about the protests that went along with their speeches
wait, I remember. Pres. Bush actually went to the school. He read a book called "my pet goat" to school children while this country was under attack. I am suprised that parents let their kids go to school that day.
There has already been one civil war in this country. Another seems to be coming. Racists lost the first one and they will lose the next. The political debates leading up to the first American civil war were not much different than today: clever arguments on both sides that framed the real issue as everything but slavery. In the end the truth came out only after blood was shed. I encourage those who still have minds to think with and hearts to feel with to place themselves on the right side of history now. For the rest of you there is nothing left to say. Bigotry may be able to hide from intellectual analysis but it's always easy to smell.
g.i. - i will admit the dems are the majority party. i may not have been clear enough; the dems now control both houses of congress. that will change, as it always does. even mike admits that.
mike - if you think the dems or libs are going to be more civil, you have your head in the sand a lot further than i thought. and i dont believe you are interested in civil discourse. from reading your blog, i believe your only interest is pushing your liberal philosophy. i also get the impression, that in your opinion, ANYONE questioning the president, is a obstructionist/Republican/conservative.
doodle bug, about the only people questioning the president right now are Republicans, conservatives, and obstructionists. I'm sorry but when people oppose what Obama is doing simply because it's Obama and he's a Democrat and that's really their only reason, that is an obstructionist. The largest faction of obstructionists are far right conservatives.
The same can be said about extreme liberals during Bush's term.
Liberals are starting to also come down on Obama because it appears that Obama is letting all these debates be framed by a small minority of the people.
With all this talk of the president supposedly trying to indoctrinate children, it's the parents who refuse to let their children hear an opposing voice that are truly indoctrinating their children. When you only let your children hear one viewpoint and even go so far as to take them out of school so that they can't hear another viewpoint, that is very toxic to the child's learning. I have no problem with raising a child to one's beliefs and morals but let them hear the other side, let them make their own decisions, more times than not those children who grow up listening to both sides typically still believe the same way their parents do.
I love civil discourse, when I see it. That's what this country was founded on. But right now, we are not seeing civil discourse. We are seeing a group of people believing they, and only they, know what's right for this country and they will shout down, talk over, and be right down nasty to people who have an opposing view point.
Last week, a man in Texas who is supposedly the leader of a secessionist group, pointed to the American flag and said, "I hate that flag. I hate the United States." If that had been a liberal, there is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Eldridge would have already written about it, and Sceptre, Chunky Peanut Butter would have been up in arms about how dangerous this man was. But because he was a far right conservative they all have been silent.
All of you who disagree with are always demanding that I go after the left as hard as I go after the right, but you don't practice what you preach.
So which is it? Is this man a true anti-american for his comments or is he a patriot for a just cause? Or (in the gray area) is he a nutcase who shouldn't even be allowed on television? What say you?
My concern about the speech is his "hidden agenda". He is now going to come out with a transcript of the speech.
Just remember. In 1991 George Bush gave a speech to school kids and the East and West did the same thing. So it has happened before and it will happen again.
Mike,
The 65 and over white man is referred to as the "greatest generation". If they are against Obama, should we not pay attention? After all, if it were not for them and there fallen brothers we would not have this United States of America.
So just so I understand - You think that the over 65 white man is wrong?
and you, of course, are the one to determine what is civil discourse and whether or not which opposing viewpoints should be considered.
and while we're at it, please give me your perspective of why independents are leaving obama in droves. of course, my news sources are suspect and yours are not.
i dont know if you intend it, but you certainly give me the impression that obama is NOT to be questioned about ANYTHING
Thanks for putting words what I have typed doodle bug but you are of course assuming to know what I meant.
I do not determine civil discourse, but I do know that screaming over someone who voices and opinion different than yours is not civil.
When did I say or give the impression that "Obama is NOT to be question about ANYTHING"? I believe that if he allows the public option to be taken out of the health care reform he will be a one term president. I don't think he's done enough to bring those to justice that performed torture. But at the same time I'm giving him more than a few months to get things going before declaring that his is the worst president ever and a socialist.
If you disagree with Obama, that's fine. I'll have a civil discussion with you, but by this point you shouldn't be surprised that when people outright lie about what's going on, I'm going to call them on it.
I don't know what your sources are so I don't know how I can call them suspect but a recent poll conducted by Gallup shows Independents approval of Obama at 49% which is up three from the last poll. It is down 7% from mid July but I wouldn't really call that "leaving obama in droves". Democrats support for Obama have fallen by 6% in the same period but I doubt you would consider that leaving in droves
http://www.gallup.com/poll/122468/Obama-...
As I said earlier, wallis, if parents want to take their kids out of school because of political motivation that's there choice. Where I disagree is when school districts won't even allow his speech to be shown. That is censorship in the worst extreme. If it was done to Bush or Reagan or any other president it is flat out wrong.
You touched on another point. You don't even know what Obama is going to say, other than what they have said about staying in school and getting good grades, because the full context of his speech hasn't been released so how can you sit there and proclaim that it is going to release his hidden agenda? Did you have this much moral uneasiness with President Reagan gave a speech to schoolchildren about his proposed tax cuts?
How about some proof of the Texan saying he hates the flag and hates America?
You know, credibility on the thing.
The reason I don't say anything about Janet Reno is because the Branch Davidians set the fire. Gotta give you credit though for attempting to protect a pedophile and his followers, even if you are outright lying.
Okay here's your proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmqtNiy4l...
Do you still believe that no conservative would ever say that? He did?
You talk about rewriting history and burning books. I invite you to actually crack a history book Sceptre since the only groups that have ever banned or burned books are conservative. The biggest example being the Nazi Party, as history shows and not how you view it was an extreme right organization.
Liberals also don't ban movies. I'll ask again what I've asked before, "What planet do you spend most of your time on?" Every movie that has ever been banned or protested for its content has been by conservative groups.
This does go to my overarching point and Sceptre has proven it time and time again for me. Portions of the extreme right (Sceptre, Sam for starters) don't even care even more that they are lying. They lie to shut people up. Read through Sceptre's post and then do your own research. You will find that just about every line he typed was a lie.
You say the president's speech will be "nothing more or less" than telling children to stay in school and get good grades. Not true. The White House also gave curriculum to the federal Dept. of Education, who disseminated it to every school. Neither Reagan or Bush did this. Not only did this set a precedent, it was illegal. The DOE is prohibited from promoting or destributing any national curriculum. (Schools are supposed to be under local control, remember?) It is not only Republicans and right wingers that find this troubling. Entire states are not going to show it. The White House later revised the curriculum. At least they removed the question, "How can I help President Obama?" So, it's not just the speech. It's the speech with the accompanying federal curriculum, and concern about what the teachers will do with it after the speech. Someone well said that the curriculum did more to promote worship of the President than it did to promote critical thinking.
Sceptre doesn't it seem inconsistent to you to call yourself a Christian and then excuse, or even deny torture? Don't you think it's contradictory to pronounce that you are a follower of Christ and then say to those people, who, through no fault of their own, end up in poverty, tough but I'm not helping you
If you want to talk inconsistencies I'll go toe to toe with you all day long.
As far as abortions go, you have once again made it a black and white issue when it is not. I do not support abortion, I think it is abhorrent, but I do believe in the woman's right to choose. It amazes me for all the talk you bring forth about getting the government out of our lives and out of our paycheck you support the government intervening in issues that are near and dear to you.
You say don't tax me bro, but you better make sure no women are getting abortions. Where do you think the money is going to come from to make sure women aren't getting and doctors aren't performing abortions. Taxes.
You tell the government not to touch your guns but then then tell the government to make sure that any religion not christian needs to be monitored. You want to make sure your gun rights are protected but you could care less about religious rights (unless its for christians).
So you have no problem with the President Reagan extolling his tax cuts to school children but you do have a problem with President Obama asking children to come up with ways they can help him? There's a leap in logic there.
What is so horrible about a president asking anyone how they can help him? Every president has done this. Why is it only a problem now.
Actually, if you knew anything about education you would know that just about every subject has a set of national curriculum to go along with their state curriculum.
Local schools have not set curriculum for a very long time, which is actually a good thing. If local schools set curriculum then no two schools would have the same curriculum and if a student were to move from one school district to another it would an absolute mess. It's bad enough having a state mandated curriculum.
The curriculum that was handed out was "suggested" curriculum for teachers, meaning it was up to them to use it or not.
I remember as a child having a class assignment to write a paper on how I could help President Reagan make America better. How in 20 years has this become not only indoctrination but apparently evil. Is it the Republican-Democratic thing?
Mike,
Just watched the video, nowhere did he say he was a Conservative. He did say he hates the flag, and did say he hates the GOVERNMENT.
http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/p...
The link above contains the lesson plans intended for PRE-K to 6th grade. The link below contains the lesson plans for the older kids.
http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/7...
DO NOT take anyone's word for any of it, go ahead and read for yourself what all your children are supposed to learn from the President.
TAKE THE TIME TO READ WHAT THE TEACHERS ARE SUPPOSED TO TEACH!!!!
EVEN YOU, Mike...though you should already know how much propaganda is intended to be shoved down our children's throats.
As for BOOK BANNING, what about Huck Finn, To Kill a Mockingbird and other books banned BY LIBERALS due to the accurate language of the times. OOPS!! I guess your "conservatives only" statement is worth just about as much as your accusation of lying.
As for your death panels statement, (and you are a wealth of disinformation, Mike), we have not forgotten the woman on the Oregon state health plan who was refused the drugs to fight her cancer...but offered assisted suicide in it's place. Whether or not the death panels are spelled out, our government will have to find ways to cut costs, won't they? Who do YOU think they'll offer to OFF? The old, the handicapped...the unborn. Think it through, man. Try! You keep acting like you have a brain...
What the hell does having kids write plans about how to help Obama run the country mean stay in school and set goals? I'm missing something here.
I have no problem having my kid listen to him give an insprational speech about working hard and bettering themselves.
And there you go again, misrepresenting the easy to find facts Mike! Reagan's speech was on C-SPAN to everyone and any school could yune in or not tune in. There were no lesson plans or anything.
The way this whole Obama was laid out seems like an orchestrated attemp to brainwash. Why doesn't he just go on C-Span and let everyone see like Reagan. You are so dilluted. Why can't you just connect two dots and present facts, not your own versions of Obama rhetoric?
You call you blog civil? Wow. Mike, my kids have to listen to the other side every day, it's called school. I'm suprised you didn't know that, you are after all a teacher. You are after all supposed to stiffle my kids' 1st amendment right when says abything about God, remember?
Oh yes, my kids get plenty of opposing view points. I remember when they cam home during the election to tell me what a great American Barack Obama was. I asked what they knew of McCain. Nothing really.
Well, I did what any open minded parent did and told of his Vietnam War service and how he was tortured for years and held prisoner. He never told of information the enemy wanted because he loved his country so much. So much that he endured years of pain to help protect it, his fellow soldiers, and the American people.
I asked him if he knew what specifically made Obama such a great American and he really didn't know. Exactly, I told him. What has he done other than said the right things to the right people and gotten himself into postitions of power by politicing.
You see Mike, sooner or later every kids in going to realize that there are a lot of crooks in the world that are going to do harm to them by decieving them in many ways. This person could be at church, school, family, and especailly government. You apparently haven't learned this yet.
Money, power, and glory have all but corrupted most great leaders from the ancient time to now. It's a powerful force to be recconed with. Not many men can withstand it. That's why it's so important to keep the power out of the hands of these men that can cloak their secret dealing behind complicated and big government. We must keep the power with the American people. I know you don't get it, someday you will.
my apologies mike. you are absolutely correct; this is your blog and you may post any drivel you wish. if you wish civil discourse, with disagreements, study some of jhats responses. an individual with whom i would disagree on many points, but jhat is able to rise above the name calling so many of US are prone to.
you are no better than sam; you are just on the other side of the fence.
Justin maybe you should actually do some research on this speech instead of listening to everyone else since it is going to be on CSPAN.
It doesn't surprise me that my words have been twisted and fabricated to make it seem like I am demanding that schoolchildren watch the speech.
What I am saying is it should be up to the individual teacher whether they want to show it or not. When school districts step in and demand that it not be shown that is censorship.
Doodle bug I take offense at being put in the same boat with sam. Yes I may be his ideological opposite but I don't stoop to his level of demeaning every person who disagrees with me, as he does. While in the past I have stooped to his level and classified those who disagree with me into easily identifiable catch phrases and silly little names, I have seen the light and stopped doing that.
Thanks Chunky, for proving that while you expect liberals to shun those of our ilk who make stupid and hateful comments but when the spotlight is shined on your side you make excuses and even declare that he is not a Conservative.
MrsSmith, what does one case in Oregon have anything to do with what is currently in Congress? I don't see your link. I know this may shock you but I have no problem with end of life rights. If a person is in nothing but pain and are at the end of their life, what right do we have to tell them that they can't end their life?
Mike,
No where in my post did I "expect liberals to shun those of our ilk who make stupid and hateful comments". YOU MADE IT UP (a lie).
Also, I did not declare the man in the video is not a conservative, nor did he say he is. Again, YOU MADE IT UP (a lie).
One must wonder, what else do you MAKE UP (lie)?
President Reagan was never broadcast to my school.
As shocking as this sounds, my 8th grade daughter will be going to school on the 8th to witness PBHO's speech. She protested when I told her she had to go and listen, saying PBHO will just try to fill our heads with garbage. So I told her, "all that talk about knowing the difference between right and wrong, good and evil meant nothing"? "Oh yeah, I remember those discussions", she said, "I can handle this", she added.
I have faith in my daughter to know she can handle this. And what better credibility than to have actually experienced and to witnessed this event, than to watch it on someones blog or youtube or wherever they get their news.
Sceptre do you truly believe that the Clinton Administration or anyone in his administration started the fire at Waco?
I agree with you 100% that the ATF handled the situation horribly, but it was the Branch Davidians that opened fire first and it was the Branch Davidians that set fire to the building with the women and children. The people I hold responsible for the death of those women and children are the Branch Davidians.
As far as Nazism is concerned, you are right it did stand for the National Socialist German Workers Party, but there is more than just a name. Europe doesn't prescribe to liberal and conservative the same as America does. Most European countries still use the classic terms of liberal and conservative.
Nazism was a belief, that while it did take its ideals from both the left and the right they primarily aligned themselves on the right. As far as what category they would be put in, it would be fascism, which is a far right ideology.
Go to this website to read up more on the Nazis of the 30s and 40s.
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Nazi
Justin, you're little diatribe about stifling the 1st Amendment rights of students further proves you have no idea what actually happens in a classroom.
There are classes in high school that discuss religions. If a student wants to talk about God they are allowed to.
Sports teams always, at least where I live, gather after a game to pray. The band plays "God Bless America" before every game.
A part of the Geography and Human Geography curriculum deals directly with religion.
There are plenty of religious clubs through most if not every school.
So Justin what exactly 1st Amendment right is being violated in a public school?
I suggest you go sit in on a normal day of school one time instead of depending on what you've heard. You will find pretty quickly that the least of most students concerns is whether or not they are being allowed to practice their religion. Most students are more concerned with their grades or their friends or their homework or a hundred other things.
You are right, GI, we would have no problem with Bush walking into A school to give a speech. We would have no problem with Obama walking into A school to give a speech, either. The problem isn't even the speech, it's the massive amount of brainwashing intended to go along with it. I'm glad you took the time to read the lesson plans and educate yourself...NOT!
And Mike, seriously, you disappoint me. You can't see the connection between a state REFUSING TO TREAT a woman with cancer and instead offering her assisted suicide...and the federal government doing the same thing. OK! Honesty in debate just can't be expected from a lib.
i am still waiting for mikes reply to c.p.b.'s charge re lieing. i do not, and i sincerely mean do not believe that mike would intentionally lie about anything. i do believe that mike, along with ALL the rest of us, sees the truth through the prism of his own experiences.
I don't see the connection between the two because they are two completely different programs.
The end-of-life counseling that is to be covered in the reform covers all counseling. If you go to a doctor and tell him to do everything in his power to keep you, your parents, your children alive, that is end-of-life counseling.
Nowhere in the plan does it talk about doctors insisting on suicide.
Chunky Peanut Butter, I do owe you an apology you never asserted those statements that I blankly accused you of. I was referring to other posters on this website who have done that and put it squarely on your shoulders. For that I apologize.
As for the man in question in the video, Larry Kilgore. He is a conservative. He has ran for elected office in Texas and Colorado on the GOP ticket. Though he did not say he was conservative in the video, a very quick search on the web will take you to his website where he lays out his issues which are in line with conservative issues.
Check it out for yourself.
http://www.larrykilgore.com/Larry_Kilgor...
As for your comment about no conservative saying they hate the US flag and the United States. You are correct he didn't say he hated the United States, but he did clearly state that he hated the United States flag, a flag which he served under while in the military. All of us, including me, sometimes get caught up with absolutes such as no, never, every, all, always. Here is a case where saying no conservative would ever say that doesn't apply.
So my original question still stands, do you support him saying he hates the United States flag?
Mike,
Let's try this again. Here is my post in its entirety.
"Just watched the video, nowhere did he say he was a Conservative. He did say he hates the flag, and did say he hates the GOVERNMENT." CPB.
Where did you get "As for your comment about no conservative saying they hate the US flag and the United States." ekimsitruc. It's not from my post.
Is there a reading\comprehension problem? Is this a pathological problem?
As for supporting Larry Kilgore hating the flag, I had no problem when liberals hated the flag, I have no problem with Larry Kilgore hating the flag.
That's odd Chunky Peanut Butter because I do have a problem with any American hating the United States flag, whether they are from the left or from the right. It's their right to hate it and voice that opinion but I take great offense to it myself.
Once again Chunky Peanut Butter, I apologize that was another poster on here that made the blanket statement that no conservatives make those comments.
I make mistakes I'm human and I admit it when I do.
So Sceptre you are admitting you are neurotic.
You are also paranoid and a conspiracist.
But most of all you are a revisionist.
If you picked up one of thousands of History books on Europe at the time of World War 2 you would quickly learn that fascists hated socialists and vice versa. So to say that one is just another word for the other is both a complete misunderstanding of what the two systems were and complete lack of history.
Just because you want something so bad you change history doesn't make it true.
Honestly this is just as weird as saying the president is trying to indoctrinate our children by asking them if he can first.
If Obama was truly trying to start a secret police do you think he would announce it for everyone to hear? Kind of takes the secret out of secret police does it now.
You're silly.