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Lunacy to the Right of mePosted Tuesday, June 16, 2009, at 5:44 PM
David Letterman had some time to think about his joke that had Sarah Palin all in a twitter over the weekend and on Monday's show he made a heartfelt apology to the Palin daughters and the Palin family. What is her response? She made a political statement and somehow managed to get the troops involved. Let's be honest here, folks. She is a political animal. That's what she knows. After the original joke came out there wasn't a person who thought David was talking about Willow, the 14 yr old daughter, until Sarah push her daughter into the spotlight. She is the one that has been exploiting her children from the very beginning. When it came out the Bristol was pregnant, it was agreed that it would not be brought up in the campaign. I guess they forgot to tell Sarah who wouldn't stop talking about it and pushing Bristol into the spotlight. Now the 14 yr old, that Sarah Palin is actually exploiting just to get political points. She could have gotten loads of political points from both sides if she would have just came out accepted David Letterman's apology and then said let's move on. Instead she put out a political statement to satisfy her base.
Why does Dick Cheney and his daughter hate America? Sorry went into my Fox News mode. But seriously, I don't think there has ever been a time in our history when a Vice-President has been so adamantly against anything the new president has done or said and he is making sure EVERYONE knows. Over the weekend, CIA Head Pineta said that it sounded like to him that maybe Cheney wants America to be attacked in order to prove himself right. Now, Fox News, and the right blogs and politicians are now saying that Pineta said the Cheney wanted America to be attacked. He didn't. If you actually read or listen to what he said he never said those words. I will say it, however. I think Cheney is hoping beyond hope that America is attacked so that he can prove that the Democrats are weak. Note he hasn't said a word since all this broke. If he really doesn't want America to get attacked, why doesn't he just come right out and say it. It wouldn't cost him anything and it would get those of us on the left to shut up for a bit about him. But really all he ever talks about is how weak and vulnerable we are to attack under Obama. It's odd, though, how not even a year ago, Cheney and his ilk, and those on the extreme right were yelling and screaming how saying anything negative about Bushco was going to leave us open for attack, and now you can't get them to shut up about how vulnerable we are. Here's the thing, though, in a scenario where we are actually attacked it doesn't prove them right. If someone runs around yelling night is coming, well yeah eventually night will come, but that doesn't prove that the person was correct. _ UPDATE: I need to mention this because of the posts I've already recieved and the ones I expect to recieve about my Palin post, but for all the posturing there has been over Letterman's joke about Bristol Palin, there has not been one thing said about all the monkey and ape and dark jokes made about the President and his wife. Just in the last couple of days, a South Carolina Republican activist said that an escaped gorilla was an ancestor of Michelle Obama, and then, even more amazingly, blamed her for the joke. Not to be topped, a staffer for Tennessee Senate Republican Diane Black sent out an email with a picture of all the presidents but instead of a picture of Obama, it was a black square with really big white eyes. Now that I'm sure you all have had a chuckle over this, I'm sure you will see your hypocrisy over the Bristol Palin (but Sarah says it was directed at Willow, which it wasn't) joke. Just to finish up, I don't think Letterman should have apologized because the jokes intent was on an adult. It was Sarah Palin and then her supporters, who probably didn't think of it until she said it, that turned the joke into a joke about her 14 year old. SHE should be the one apologizing, but that isn't going to happen, because she scored political points with her base, and for her, at least, that's more important than her family. _ UPDATE #2: Today a bill was passed to appropriate monies for our military. In the past, Republicans trumpeted loudly that anyone that didn't vote for these kinds of bills were betraying our country. So, today, all but five Republicans voted against this bill. Are they held to the same standard they held Democrats too? No, not really. But I don't see it that way. If they want to vote against it that is their right, but they do come off looking very hypocritical preaching one thing and doing another. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Mike,
To be fair, I don't think Cheney WANTS the country to be attacked. But I think it's likely he's saying things like that to set up an "I told you so" moment IF we do get attacked again.
The thing is, this will certainly happen sooner or later. It's basically a game of hot potato, who's holding the country when it blows up...
And I agree about the Palin thing. The late-nighters made crass jokes about Bristol all throughout the campaign, and the McCain/Palin camp said nothing. It's unfortunate that she thought Letterman was talking about the other daughter. But folks, it's his JOB to make crass humor in poor taste. That's why it's on late at night, so your kids are in bed while you enjoy some irreverent humor.
And you can't turn your kids into political props (talking about Bristol) and then cry foul when someone makes a joke about them. (Well, I suppose you CAN, but you shouldn't)
Michael, Michael, Michael. For one who likes to trumpet about getting the facts straight...you sure fell off of the wagon on this one.
First of all...Sarah Palin had her 14 year old at Yankee stadium to enjoy a game of baseball. She made no statements to the crowd, she didn't search for cameras or microphones, and she didn't have a press conference called to raise attention to herself. The joke that was told by Letterman was clearly pointed at the daughter who attended the game. Furthermore, the joke was written by a staff of jokewriters, no doubt cleared by a union "censor", transferred over to que cards and probably pre-read by Letterman before the show.
Second - I saw the "apology" by Letterman. It was far from heartfelt. He equated his comment to thousands of others that he had made that in his estimation were 'distasteful'. Your ranting on the side of Lettermans less than tasteful behavior and accountability to that behavior is, to use Palin's term, "pathetic". You should truly review the tripe you write and review how slanted it truly is toward your own bias.
Third - your Lord and master and President Clown of the US made it unequivocally clear that his desire during the campaign was that families were 'off-limits'. Nice of the right to actually honor that request; contrary to the left who raked the Palin family over the coals while the Big BO stood in assent with his silence. The attacks have never let up - and they won't, because the left hates Palin. My theory? The left is afraid Palin could run in '12...and if she does my friend...you could realistically see the first female President elected to the US. Check out the new Gallup poll - 40% of Americans align themselves as conservative. 21% align themselves as liberal. Of the remaining moderates and independents; 22% state leanings toward conservatism. Palin speaks conservatism and could draw a crowd citing out of the phone book.
Fourth - Your comment about Cheney wanting an attack upon America is lower than low. At a time when N Korea is ramping up nukes that can reach the US in 33 minutes, and Obama scaling back missle defense systems to fund his trillion dollar debt - you have the gall to accuse a man who played a very important part in keeping this country safe after 9-11. The left will never cease in their vitriol against Bush/Cheney regardless of what they come out and say or do. You know it and I know it. Your post today is complete proof.
Finally - do you ever weary of using so many absolutes? All your talk about what Palin and Cheney are thinking is arbitrary at best...however, you exhibit no honesty or credibility in your diatribe. Words such as "all, never, and always" seldom accurately describe what the reporter is hoping is 'all, never or always'. Your attack on Palin and Cheney is vicious and unnecessary. Your side won. Why are still so angry? Why don't you blog about something positive for a change?
jhat - Don Imus had a job making crass humor as well. The difference between Imus and Letterman? More than the fact that Imus actually visited the school of the kids he 'slammed' to make an apology; while Letterman continued to spoof....more than the fact that Imus was making an off the cuff remark in response to another commentator on his show, while Letterman read a scripted 'joke'...it was that the MSM and the left actually hate Palin...so THAT makes it okay.
Your equivocating aside...the remark was wrong. Imus paid the price...Dave got akin to an 'atta-boy'.
And talk about politicizing your children...you cannot exempt your boy BO from that sort of conduct. His kids were employed at will to stoke up warm fuzzies for the candidate. The difference between Palin and Obama's kids during the campaign were that the libbies hated Palin, and consequently any of her offspring, and didn't care if they destroyed any of them.
Does the name Joe the Plumber ring a bell?
First - please read my blog all the way before making judgements on what I write. The only one who ever mentioned the younger Palin, was in fact, Sarah. Letterman made clear that he had no idea who was at the game with Sarah that night. She has made it clear time and time again with her words and actions that no one, not even her family, is off limits to her if she can make a political point.
Second - where is the proof that Bushco kept us safe? Don't give me the tired line of "Because there were no attacks", that's almost as tired of the "We are going to get attacked". Which oddly enough is the same crowd.
Third - I believe you overestimate North Korea. Their short range missiles are meek at best and they have never even test fired a long range missile. More fear mongering from the right.
Fourth - The only people calling Obama anything remotely close to a god is the far right, for example, you.
Fifth - When you look at a close comparison of all polls asking the same Party ID question, Gallup is always one of the outliers. A recent Fox Poll showed 33 - Rep, 40 - Dem, 23 - Ind and the trend overall is 27.9 - Rep, 37.4 - Dem, 30.2 - Ind, with the Republican line falling off. Go to www.pollster.com
Sixth - In a recent poll of 1000 Republicans of who they thought led the Republican Party, 4 (not 4% but 4) said Sarah Palin was.
Seventh - For one who criticizes my facts your post was full of misstatements and beliefs.
Finally, for the all the talk on these blogs about how the left is supposedly talking all the hate, I suggest you read Mickel's post very carefully. Not only did he trash me about being vicious and unnecessary, while doing the exact same thing to OUR president he trashed pretty much anyone he views as liberal.
By the way. I don't think any rational person could seriously read my blog and come away thinking I was angry. I'm not, I know my side won and I am reveling in it, but that is not going to stop me from calling Republicans out on their blatant hypocrisy and hatred for everything that they don't like. For example, today, Senator Ensign admitted to having an affair on his wife with their best friend. This is the same man that in 2004 tried hard to get an amendment passed banning gays the right to marry, using the sanctity of marriage argument. Appears that in public he believes everyone should respect the sanctity of marriage, but in public, not so much him. This comes after another right denier senator was arrested for propositioning gay sex in an airport bathroom, and after another senator who passed many laws against pedophilia turned out to be a pedophile himself.
Oh for the love did you seriously just bring up Joe the Plumber, who mascaraded as a plumper though he never had a plumber's license and mascaraded as a small business owner, when he didn't even have one. THAT Joe the Plumber?
You keep bringing up the MSM trashing Palin and her kids. Did you actually watch the presidential campaign? The only one who ever brought up her kids, was, well her.
The REAL difference (that you of course are leaving out to make your point) between Letterman and your hero Imus is that Imus made a racial joke about a woman's basketball team off the cuff, Letterman made a joke about Bristol Palin that every late night comedian has made over and over. Let's recap, that Bristol is an adult and her mother is the one pushed her into the public and her dad kept her there. The only wrong here is on Sarah's part for trying to make everyone believe that Letterman was talking about Willow, thus pushing her own 14 yr old girl into the public spotlight for political points. An lo and behold you went right with it.
By the way I didn't know that Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher (which is is real name. I won't refer to him as a plumber, since he isn't one) was one of Sarah Palin's kids.
jhat, I stand by my position. I believe that Cheney does want America to be attacked again, just so he can tell everyone that he told us so.
The crying from the right is astounding considering that these are the same people who called every single one of us that was against the war in Iraq as traitors. I'm not suggesting that he is a traitor just that he is doing the exact same thing that the right was complaining that liberals were doing under his tenure. I'm calling out his hypocrisy.
At this point i don't care what cheney does.... he is out of office and will probably die by the time anything happens(let's face it he aint exactly the model of health)
That being said jhat is right with his first post about how during the election the jokes were made and nothing was said... i wish palin would just go back and run her state and leave everyone else alone.... i get so sick and tired of everytime the news is on they are talking about her and her kids and where they are.... let me help the newscasters out there... SHE ******* LOST. focus on people who actually matter now.
Dick Cheney is no worse than Al Gore. Al Gore was very critical of the Bush administration. Calling the Bush Administration incompetent. I have not seen anything that incendiary coming from Cheney. I've heard worse from Gore than what's in the youtube speech. So don't go on a tirade about Cheney being the most critical with out at least putting Gore in the same sentence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKWH6W_sM...
The only thing that I've seen from Cheney is if Obama wants' to release the Water Boarding Pictures that the white house release the information that was obtained during these interrogations. Seems like a reasonable request?
I still can't believe you are still trying to defend Letterman. What if Rush Limbaugh said something derogatory about the Obama girls? You know he would have been run off radio. Obama puts his family in the spotlight just as much as Palin. But for some reason the media obeys the messiah when he says leave my family alone. Seems the left is a bit hypocritical on this issue. As long as it's the other side it's o.k.?
Look at Don Imus. He actually did have a sincere apology for his remarks and he was fired by CBS I believe. I was equally offended by both remarks.
So get off your soap box about this. He finally did come up with a decent apology but it took a week. I'm sure he was real sorry. Some big wig in CBS finally got hold of him and said make this thing go away already. So he finally came up with what appeared to be a sincere apology hoping to satisfy the masses.
It's funny you are trying to paint the right as being hypocrites. The two staffers you mentioned, wow stop the presses. They went on National T.V and said that? Oh it was in an e-mail that went out to who? I've never even heard of these people but go ahead and put them on the same stage as Letterman to make your point. If you want to make comparisons at least talk apples to apples. Not apples to peanuts. Find something that's news worthy to paint us as hypocrites. I'm sure if I dug around hard enough I could find stupid stuff from nobody's on the left too.
Just because you want to believe that the joke was about the 14 year old doesn't make it true. I love how you don't use hate in what you right steffanie.
right_all_the_time, I was so hoping one of you would bring up Al Gore. Here's the huge difference between Al Gore and Dick Cheney. Al Gore waited more than than three years into the Bush White House to ever say anything negative about the Bush White House. Cheney didn't even wait a month.
So, you don't think that saying that Obama being in the White House has made our country weaker is incendiary? Really? What reality are you even living in?
Also, I guess it goes to prove you don't pay attention to what's going on, since the Obama White House prevented those pictures from being released. Also, people who have seen the memos that Cheney wants released have already come out and said that the memos don't prove anything remotely close to what Cheney says they do.
By the way, Steffanie, I don't loathe or even hate Sarah Palin. Do I hate or loathe her methods in politicizing everything about her life, even her 14 year old daughter? Yes. But I don't loathe her one bit. But, once again thanks for trying to paint me as something that I am not, by omitting what I have said.
By the way, Imus didn't apologize until after he had been fired. He didn't care. He stated that he didn't see anything wrong with his comments, until he got fired. Once he realized he was going to loose money he started apologizing left and right, even going on an apology tour.
So don't sit there and try to say that his apology was sincere, it wasn't. He had a history of making these kinds of comments on his show in the past. David Letterman made a bad joke, and while he has a history of making bad jokes, he had never made a joke that got twisted into something it wasn't.
I'm still amazed there are Imus apologists out there.
Mike,
There has been something said about the gorilla comment for awhile now and I read about the senator's aide yesterday. I don't recall where I read about each of them but here are some links that address each issue.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/...
http://www.foxnewsradio.com/2009/06/15/s...
Letterman is a comedian and I use the term "comedian" loosely, so he doesn't have to check his facts about every detail. However, he did check to see if Bristol was 18 which sounds like he obviously wanted to use the joke, he just had to check the age for PR reasons. Too bad he checked the wrong fact and not the fact that it was her sister instead. Of course, she is barely a legal adult at the age of 18 and what better way to welcome her to adulthood than to continue making jokes about an unwed teenage mother? What a class act Letterman is. It's ok though since she's 18.
Let's go into the future about 7 years except this time its Malia Obama who's 18 and Sasha Obama who's 15, same situation, same comment but let's say Rush said it. Is it still okay for him to make that same sexual joke about Malia (even though it was Sasha with Michelle at the game) because he didn't check his facts first?
I'm still amazed there are Imus apologists out there."
I'm just as amazed that you've become a Letterman apoligist. What did Bristol Palin ever do to anybody other than be the daughter of a national figure that a lot of people don't like?
Once again the hypocritical liar in steffanie is coming out. Making up stories, hoping that I will stop with my blog. You talk about free speech, yet the only people that you believe should be able to enjoy it are you and your ilk. You mascarade your hatred by trying to make me feel guilty.
See here's the great big secret. I know my dad supports what I write. You don't even know him. So I will ask nicely that you stop bringing him up, since he has nothing to do with this blog.
"What did Bristol Palin ever do to anybody other than be the daughter of a national figure that a lot of people don't like?"
What did Bristol do to make a lot of comics go after her? This is the hypocritical part that I am talking about. Jokes have been told about her for months. Sarah takes exception to one, and tries to make it look like it was told about Willow and you all are falling over yourselves going after Letterman. The answer is, Bristol did nothing, if you are so wanting to point blame, point it at her mother, who put her and her pregnancy on center stage for all to see.
I love how you pick and choose what to be outraged about. You don't seem to care to much about the First Lady being compared to a gorilla, but make fun of an 18 year old woman and the gloves are off.
So she is barely an adult at 18, does that mean that any joke told about anyone needs to be told only after they are 19 or 20? Talk about PC police.
Of course they don't remember Guillermo. They have this picture that the right is perfect in every way imaginable. So to bring back what there side has actually said about children of politically left leaning people is bringing back a bad memory.
But it's different now. Only in today's society can you make a joke about an 18 year old and then have to apologize because the mother of that 18 year old turns the joke into one about her 14 year old daughter, thus making the joke something that it's not. Not only is that person having to apologize for a joke he never told, that mother is now using her 14 year old daughter to prop herself up politically and somehow getting the troops involved.
I think Letterman should have come back and said that he didn't accept Palin's supposed acceptance of the apology. But Dave is a stand-up guy and he knows when to put an overblown story to sleep. Though, it sure did help him in the ratings.
3 years 3 months what's the difference? It's still criticizing the active president. Just not sure why time is a factor? But your lying about 3 years. Oct 2, 2002. I'm sure I could find early ones if I searched harder. I love how you just throw stuff out and make them seem as facts.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/03/politi...
I said if Obama wants to release the pictures of water boarding he should release the results of the water boarding. As this was a big issue for Cheney. I know they have not been released. Obama did not stop them from being released he just chose not to release them It's his choice not someone else's. You pretend to think he did something magnificent here .
This is when Cheney started his criticism of Obama. When Obama threatened to release the photos. Plus other policies like shutting down Gitmo. Big issue for us folks on the right.
I find it funny that the left is complaining about Cheney being un-American because he is complaining about the president that's in his views is making the country less secure. When the left for the last 8 years have been very critical of Bush. Pay back is hell I guess.
Who are these people that have looked at the memos? Democrats? Please provide your source.
BTW I don't like Imus...I could care less he got fired. I just used him to make a point. I could care less he got fired.
But your wrong again about it taking a week for him to apologize. It took two days. This is starting to become a bad habit Mike. Making statements that sound like fact but are not.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2007041...
I don't care if it was Bristow or Willow neither one of them deserve to have there names brought up as a political joke. Just because there Mom is Sara Palin. They are both teenagers.
First of all no one on the left has ever called Cheney un-Americanm, that's a word that is solely owned by the right. The right seemingly calls anyone who disagrees with them as un-American or a traitor.
Secondly, when did I said it took a week for Imus to apologize. You criticize me for making up facts in the same paragraph you completely made up something I had said.
Third, if you actually look you would know that Cheney started criticizing Obama after the first memos were released, not when the DOJ was considering releasing the pictures. To add to that the pictures were going to be released by the DOJ not Obama.
I apologize, I was basing the three years on the video link you provided. It was after a year and a half that Gore criticized Bush. My mistake.
So if it is wrong to make jokes about teenagers, will you go on record today on here and say that Rush Limbaugh's jokes about Chelsea Clinton were out of bounds?
Mike,
"I love how you pick and choose what to be outraged about. You don't seem to care to much about the First Lady being compared to a gorilla, but make fun of an 18 year old woman and the gloves are off."
I'm outraged about it because there are people like yourself who are arguing that it was ok to make that joke since it was meant to be about Bristol. I don't hear anyone saying it was ok to make the gorilla joke because it was directed at her ancestors not her. It was a stupid thing to say and I'm not condoning that comment but I certainly wouldn't defend it if someone came up with some lame excuse for why it was ok to say because it was "misunderstood". Also, why does it matter if it was the First Lady or just any lady?
Not to mention the fact that they were making jokes about her before she was ever 18 so I have a hard time believing you care if she is an 18 year old woman or not. To you and your ilk (as you like to put it) she's fair game regardless of whether she's an adult.
On the one hand, you say Palin politicized her daughter by being willing to talk about her and her pregnancy. On the other hand, if she refused to speak about it then she would be trying to downplay it for political reasons. It's a catch 22 and you know it. With all that said, and I love the troops as much as anyone, but interjecting them into this was blatantly political. Then again, Obama's just as guilty of politicizing his children by telling the crowd after his election, about the deal he made with his daughters about a dog. We had to hear about that nonsense for months like it was actually important. It had nothing to do with the people or America but he knew the media would eat it up.
G.I.,
"Remember when Rush called a 13 year-old Chelsea Clinton "the White House dog?"
I was 12, so I can't say that I remember anything about Chelsea Clinton when she was 13 except that I recall thinking how difficult she was to look at. 12 year olds are so judgemental, I know. Rush should've known better though.
"Or when O'Reilly accused an 18 year-old of getting herself raped and murdered for wearing a miniskirt?"
I don't watch O'Reilly.
"Do you remember right after the election when everybody on the right was tossing Palin under the bus?"
They were doing that before the election, they just never stopped. Palin is a very conservative Republican. Conservative Republicans loved her and they still do. The Republicans who waged the campaign against her were the moderate Republicans. Oddly enough, those are the people liberals think we should be trying to recruit to save our party. Now I understand the logic, get them to attack from the inside. Good strategy. I thought it was suspicious that liberals were offering advice on how to save the Republican party.
Sorry. Mike I considered your comment about Cheney hating America...as being un-American.
right,
I never said Cheney hated America. He hates that he no longer has control of America.
Are you saying that because I believe Cheney wants America to be attacked so he can prove a point that I am un-American? I don't understand the last part of your statement.
It wasn't that Palin was willing to talk about she and her campaign staff pushed it out there. She was using her daughter's pregnancy as a political stunt to get points. And obviously it worked.
right, are you willing to state that Rush Limbaugh's comments about a 12 year old Chelsae Clinton were out of bounds?
Your correct Mike. You did not say it took Imus a week to apologize. I stand corrected. You said he did not apologize until he got fired. Which ironically was 7 days. That's week on my calendar.
---Mike your words----First of all no one on the left has ever called Cheney un-American, that's a word that is solely owned by the right. The right seemingly calls anyone who disagrees with them as un-American or a traitor.
"Why does Dick Cheney and his daughter hate America?"<-------I took this out of the original blog post. Did you not write this? If you hate America you are Un-American. So basically you said Cheney is un-american in my book. But I mis quoted you so that's my bad.
Can you provide the audio clip of Rush calling Chelsea a dog? I never heard him say that. Not saying it did not happen just want to hear it for myself. I would say it is in bad taste if it was said and Rush should have bigger fish to fry then make fun of Chelsea. BTW I like Chelsea...only problem with her is she's a Democrat.
---You also said this---Also, people who have seen the memos that Cheney wants released have already come out and said that the memos don't prove anything remotely close to what Cheney says they do.
What's your source?
"Why does Dick Cheney and his daughter hate America?" I was being sarcastic. That is a tag that Fox News came up with to attack Democrats, I just put Dick Cheney and his daughter instead of the multiple Democrats that Fox News or its workers used. Now I guess you know how it feels when stupid and outright idiotic lines like that one are used against people, that everyone knows they don't hate America.
I have to correct myself. The said offense was actually done on his tv show. He was putting up pictures of the White House animals. He said that they had a cat and showed a picture of Socks. He then said that they also have a picture of a dog and put a picture of Chelsea. Oddly enough there is no video of it, but it is highly documented. It did happen.
I don't remember the Senator's name but he is on the committee that oversees these memos. Yes, he is a Democrat.
G.I.,
"I am not sure what age has to do with knowing something."
Considering that I was 12 at the time, my interests were not vested in whatever Rush Limbaugh was talking about (I don't even remember the existence of Rush when I was 12) so I never heard the comment at the time. I have no doubt that the apathy of my youth had everything to do with why I never knew about that comment. This is the first time I have heard about that specific comment from 15 years ago and I responded to it in an earlier post. I don't know how much more you want from me.
"Are moderate Republicans not real Republicans? Or was that simply a commentary, not a counter argument?"
Moderate Republican, conservative Republican, Liberal Democrat, Moderate Democrat (bluedog), they're all just different classifications to describe the differing ideologies among the two parties. Moderate Republicans were opposed to Palin because they thought she was too far right and she was supported by the conservative Republicans for being so far to the right. McCain staffers were used to shooting themselves in the foot so I have no argument that they didn't try to sabatoge their own campaign. McCain's appeal was to moderate Republicans and not conservative Republicans.
The point being made was that the moderate Republicans who undermined their own party's nominee for VP and simultaneously their Presidential candidate. Democrats and liberals want the Republican party to include more moderate Republicans who are the same one who sabotaged the last election. So it now makes perfect sense why they are making suggestions on how to "save" the Republican party except by "save" they mean destroy. Why defeat your enemy when you can let your enemy defeat itself?
G.I.,
Half-bright?! She's wearing you down, she's wearing you down. lol.
Ah, I see so it was moderate Republicans who sabotaged the election. I'm glad you cleared that up McCook.
What does you being 12 at the time have anything to do with whether or not Rush went out of bounds? Your age should have no bearing on it.
The comparison still remains, was it okay for Rush Limbaugh to make the comment he made about a 12 yr old, but not okay for David Letterman to make the comment he made about an adult 18 year old (by the way, in which similar jokes had been told about the same daughter. Are they fair? Hardly, but first her mother pushed her into the spotlight and then her father kept her in it. If she didn't want to be subjugated to lewd bad late night jokes, she should have disappeared when the election was over. But she chose to remain in the spotlight with dear old daddy.)
The point is, David Letterman made a crass joke about Palin's daughters. The same way all late night talk show hosts make jokes about anyone when they get an opportunity. I'm not agreeing with, or even defending, what he said. Just that no one should be surprised he said it.
The other point is, David Letterman is by FAR not the only person to make crass jokes about the Palin family. Conan made almost EXACTLY the same joke a while back. I don't remember it verbatim, but it went like:
"Governor Palin will be dropping the puck at the beginning of tonight's Flyers game. She'll then spend the rest of the game trying to keep the players out of her daughters' penalty box".
I remember SNL even joked about incest in the Palin family, and shortly thereafter, she APPEARED on SNL.
So what's the difference? Why weren't these jokes met with the same outrage then? I suspect it's because she was in the media constantly then, and didn't need any more attention.
I haven't heard her name very often in the news lately, and there's not many better ways to get your name out there than to start a "celebrity feud". So I think it's likely she chose to start this fight with Letterman to keep her name on everybody's tongue. I suppose I can't fault her for that. She's a politican, who needs publicity. Especially if she's thinking of running in 2012, which I sincerely hope she does. Unless the game drastically changes, she doesn't stand a chance in a general election.
Mike,
"What does you being 12 at the time have anything to do with whether or not Rush went out of bounds? Your age should have no bearing on it."
I have addressed your question in an earlier post that you must've missed. It addresses what my age at the time has to do with why I don't remember the comment and whether Rush was out of bounds. I'll repost the relevant statement below.
"I was 12, so I can't say that I remember anything about Chelsea Clinton when she was 13 except that I recall thinking how difficult she was to look at. 12 year olds are so judgemental, I know. Rush should've known better though."
Do you want me to say the same thing in a different way or something?
"If she didn't want to be subjugated to lewd bad late night jokes, she should have disappeared when the election was over. But she chose to remain in the spotlight with dear old daddy."
So she should have to choose between supporting her family and being subjected to lewd bad late night jokes? Strange reasoning but ok. Do you really think her keeping a low profile would have anything to do with whether she was subjected to those jokes? What did she do that Letterman thought put her in the spotlight? Oh yeah, he thought she went to a game with her mom. Such an attention hog. Let that be a lesson to any kids that go to games with famous parents or have the audacity to be seen in public with them and God forbid, publicly supporting their parents. What's the world coming to?
G.I.,
I've done the same thing with going back and reading about interesting things from my youth but the Chelsea comment is not one I ever came across. That's all I'm saying. I'm sure I've come across things that you haven't. Different people are going to come across some similiar things and some different things.
"She is a goofball anyway ($75,000 for wardrobe and $150,000 for her husband's "amenities.")"
Those "campaign staffers" were the ones who wanted the wardrobe for her then she gets hammered for it by the Obama campaign and the press. I wonder why she would be so distrusting of following their every instruction about how she should present herself.
She shouldn't be distrusting. When she doesn't trust what her campaign staff or her running mate's campaign staff she has interviews with Katie Couric where she came off like she had no idea what was going on in the world, or the debate where she seemingly winked every time she spoke.
I don't hate the woman but I don't understand the pedestal she's been put on. She's not even a good politician.
Mike,
She didn't trust her campaign staff because she probably thought they were wrong like they were with the wardrobe. When you are running for an office and you have people telling you how to dress, how to act and how to speak, if it's not who you are then you'll lose your identity and become just another fake like the rest of them. I have no doubt that Sarah Palin is the same person both in and out of the spotlight.
The media put her on the pedastal she's on. If you want to put blame on anyone it lies with the media. She's fairly young, attractive and she was an unknown before being selected as McCains VP which is your basic media formula for a good story. It's the same story they did with Obama in 2004 (the media was also promoting him as a Presidential candidate in '08 before he ever served a day in the Senate). Put that together with the fact that she's very blunt in some of her comments and politically she's as sharp as a spoon which makes her an easy "gotcha" target and the media loves to play "gotcha" and you've got yourself a story that sells. The media has to make money and she's been paying their bills for awhile now.
Besides, if she isn't famous anymore then Tina Fey will likely go broke and end up on the streets. I think she should go to Alaska and show up to the Governor's office when Palin is out of the office and try seeing if she can fool the staff into letting her run the state as Palin. Now, that's some reality tv that I'd actually watch.
Wait how can you sit there and say that the media tore her apart and also put her on a pedestal?
You must not know anything about Tina Fey then. She was wildly successful before Sarah Palin and she still is. She is on a hit show, but nice attempt at tearing down a celebrity.
But in the end I still say that she is mediocre politician who's flame is slowly dying. The only reason she is still in the spotlight because she spends more time out of her state than running it and she exploits her children for political gain.
Just ask the 15 protesters of Letterman if it worked?
"Wait how can you sit there and say that the media tore her apart and also put her on a pedestal?"
That's what the media does. They build a person up just so they can tear them down. They don't care, if it means they can make more money off of it.
"She was wildly successful before Sarah Palin and she still is. She is on a hit show, but nice attempt at tearing down a celebrity."
Wild... yes. Successful... not so much unless you're only counting critics, celebrities and the select few who hand out awards. It's just that pesky little reality called ratings that keeps them down. So by successful, I assume you mean that they haven't been canceled yet and they have a longshot chance of barely breaking into the top 50 rated shows. Woohoo.
"Just ask the 15 protesters of Letterman if it worked?"
I'm just going on the record to say that I've been boycotting Letterman for years but for an entirely different reason... he's just not funny. Although, I wish he was as funny as he thinks he is, then I'd watch every night.
Michael - My statement if full of 'misstatements'? Good luck with your proof. I never stated any poll that published party demographics. Mine was about ideology. A completely different animal, you may agree. So your "fifth" point was a stab in the dark.
Here is what you posted:
"Fifth - When you look at a close comparison of all polls asking the same Party ID question, Gallup is always one of the outliers. A recent Fox Poll showed 33 - Rep, 40 - Dem, 23 - Ind and the trend overall is 27.9 - Rep, 37.4 - Dem, 30.2 - Ind, with the Republican line falling off. Go to www.pollster.com\"
PS - since when did you start citing Fox as a credible source for anything? Coming over to the winning side of the fair and balanced, eh?
Your sixth point cited a poll of 1000 Republicans - please submit your source. Even so...apples and oranges - I'm talking conservatives, not Republicans. Powell calls himself a Republican, but he is definitely not conservative.
Your post:
"Sixth - In a recent poll of 1000 Republicans of who they thought led the Republican Party, 4 (not 4% but 4) said Sarah Palin was."
PS - Source please. Oh I did a poll of three people in a room...and 100% of them thought the Big BO narcissistic and an egoist. Put that in your pipe.
Your seventh point is a straw-man. You make the assertion without any support. Yawn.
"Seventh - For one who criticizes my facts your post was full of misstatements and beliefs."
Your next statement is vitriolic and unnecessary. I did not attack you. Only your statements. I'll admit I called Obama a clown. However, I actually believe he is. If he had floppy shoes and a rainbow wig it would simply match a picture with his persona. And if indeed I did 'trash' you...I guess you have a lot of crow to eat about your own brand of 'attacks' on most anybody not posting as GI.
"Finally, for the all the talk on these blogs about how the left is supposedly talking all the hate, I suggest you read Mickel's post very carefully. Not only did he trash me about being vicious and unnecessary, while doing the exact same thing to OUR president he trashed pretty much anyone he views as liberal."
PS - Twisting, twisting, twisting. I didn't say YOU were unnecessary, only your hubris passing as objective commentary. And, yes, your assertions about Cheney and Palin are indeed vicious. I don't trash liberals...I vehemently disagree with their ideology and assert that the course they are taking is destroying the country. Obama is clearly leading this country toward Socialism which is contrary to the founding of this country. I do indeed oppose it. You may call it trashing...I call it defense.
Most people I know consider comments like yours laced with anger. I know you run in a different circle, so you may not see it that way. I stand by what I said...no apologies.
"By the way. I don't think any rational person could seriously read my blog and come away thinking I was angry. I'm not, I know my side won and I am reveling ((or gloating???))in it, but that is not going to stop me from calling Republicans out on their blatant hypocrisy ((pot, meet kettle))and hatred for everything that they don't like. For example, today, Senator Ensign admitted to having an affair on his wife with their best friend. This is the same man that in 2004 tried hard to get an amendment passed banning gays the right to marry, using the sanctity of marriage argument. Appears that in public he believes everyone should respect the sanctity of marriage, but in public, not so much him. This comes after another right denier senator was arrested for propositioning gay sex in an airport bathroom, and after another senator who passed many laws against pedophilia turned out to be a pedophile himself."
PS - Cite your sources please. Interesting that you launch an attack on others to defend your limp assertions. But don't forget the alphabet list of Dems and Libs who have pasted dishonor upon themselves.
Pelosi - throwing all caution to the wind with her unsubstantiated claim the CIA lied to her.
Frank - whose boyfriend ran a brothel out of his home.
Geitner - the tax cheat turned Treasury Secretary
Obama - the man who champions babies born alive to die without any intervention.
Gore - the inventor of the internet and the accelerator of global warming hype.
Michael Moore - his wretch called art.
Clinton - the cigar afficianado and liar to Grand Juries abroad.
Reid - and his railroad to the Nevada brothels - what an attribute to Nevada!
etc. etc. etc.
Also, are we equating Rush Limbaugh to David Letterman?
Because last time I checked, Letterman was a late-night entertainer who really was more involved with celebrities and entertainment than politics. No one really goes to him for political advice/opinions.
And Rush Limbaugh was a political commentator who was considered the "voice" of the Republican party by many conservatives. Who has a radio show dedicated to politics that millions of conservatives tune into daily. His political opinions are respected by many many conservatives in this country.
So if we want to just dismiss Rush as an entertainer, who has no bearing on politics (the way I see Letterman), please let's do that. Because NOBODY thinks Letterman is the 'voice' of the democrats (or liberals in general).
I like your list, Mickel, it was complete nonsense and most was made up. As much as I dislike her, Pelosi has her proof as has several top ranking democrats.
The internet thing with Gore was an absolute twist of his words at the time he made them, that lie was debunked when he made them, yet like a good little lap dog you continue to state it as fact. He never said he invented the internet. I know what he said, anyone paying attention knows what he said, but I'll go ahead and let you do the research to see exactly what he said, and the research on the actual inventors of the internet and the credit they give Gore.
I could give a huge long list of Republican hypocrites, but what's the point, you all think you are gods and can do anything you please, so it's really wasted breath.
But you know, Mickel, if you can honestly look at your comments and say that you did not personally attack me then you are no better than any of the jokers that are the supposed "leaders" of the Republican, Conservative, or whatever you want to call it, Party. You all would throw your own mother under the bus if you though it would score you points. The Republican Party has become a joke led on by the ultra religious right, and the only people that are going to save this party are the moderates in the party.
But who am I kidding, as long as you are willing to eat your own so you can force your so-called morals on everyone else, the Republican Party is doomed.
Since the accusations of wrongs by the left were just brought up let's discuss them, even though I said I wouldn't.
You bring up Geitner as a tax evader, what you don't mention (not a shock at all, since it would go against your all Democrats are evil meme) is that he has already paid back his taxes.
What you also don't bring up is the hero of the tea parties, the founder, who IS a tax evader and has made no mention of paying those taxes back. How do you justify criticizing one man who paid his back taxes and leaving another who hasn't out of the argument all together.
In the last three years there has been one Republican who fought for victims of pedophilia, turn out to be a pedophile himself. Two Republicans who preach the sanctity of marriage caught having affairs. One was having sex with a married staffer of his, the other was paying prostitutes for sex. But let's not forget the other protector of the sanctity of marriage and hater of gays, being gay himself.
Newt Gingrich, who wanted Clinton to resign for having an affair on his wife, was having an affair himself.
Rush Limbaugh who presents himself as the high moral guy is addicted to prescription drugs and has been divorced three times.
Democrats have had their own issues that's for sure but don't sit there and try to prop up your party or your belief when your closet of your representatives isn't clean.
Did you seriously just lob a gay charge at the president? Wow you honestly will stop at nothing to bring him down will you.
Actually the only difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Republicans are constantly propping themselves up as the family and morality party all the while being hypocritical.
The reason Democrats don't seem to get in as much hot water is because we realize that there are bad apples in the party and for us to prop ourselves up as something that could bite us in the butt could be seen as hypocritical, so we don't.
Blah blah blah the fact that you pile all liberals into one little group that you have decided represents us all invalidates anything you have to say about us.
Let's see Clinton lied about sex and got impeached, Bush lied us into a war that has gotten thousands of our men and women killed, completely ignored the Geneva Convention, stripped us of rights too many to be counted and continues to get a pass to this day.
What exactly has been fabricated about Sarah Palin's children? This is news to me.
I would rather be a liberal and know my morals and follow my morals in my privacy the way I see fit, than be a conservative that wears their morals on their sleeve and demand that everyone follow their moral code, even while not following their own morals.
You don't need to know my moral code because frankly it is none of your business.
If the "gay charge" doesn't matter, then why bring it up? That makes no sense what-so-ever. Actually yeah it does. You know the hatred for gays on this site is very strong and if you can get them thinking that Obama is gay then there's another reason for them to hate Obama.
It's pathetic and then your attempt to shy away from it is even worse.
You may have not made the charge, trying to shield yourself with the National Enquirer, but if you read your own post, the implication that you made that Obama is gay is thick. Why else mention the John Edwards story if 1) you didn't think it was true or 2) as you said in your next post it doesn't matter.
No, my morals are NOT your business. This is the problem with the rabid right today and you are the perfect example. You tell everyone how they should live, what they should do, who they should hate, but when they actually tell you no, you go berserk and demand that they tell you what they believe in.
Sceptre, if you been paying any attention at all, you would know that I have spelled out my morals and beliefs many times. Just because you choose either not to read or accept what they are doesn't mean I have to spell them out to you again, and I won't.
Just because you made the charge that OUR president is gay and then tried to hide behind a publication as the actual one that made the charge doesn't absolve you of that charge. This is another ploy by the rabid right. Make unfounded charges and then when you are called out on it, blame someone else and claim that you haven't made the charge.
I've heard of sore losers before but you take the cake. You don't BELIEVE him to be the president, so you just don't accept him.
Yes, the fact that I believe that people we have incarcerated, not charged with anything, won't be charged with anything, and are tortured on top of that, makes me un-American.
I said it in another post, do you even read what you type? If they are criminals and not soldiers under your definition, then OUR laws should supersede every other law. Therefore, oh I'm sorry to inform you of this, but torture is still illegal. I would hope you would know that under our laws if it is found that anyone held under our laws guilty or not and is coerced into admitting anything that it is thrown out, right?
You sit there and question my patriotism and accuse me of hating America then you throw American law under the bus just because you want someone tortured. Where do you get off?
You might as well give up on that whole "You hate America" and "You are unpatriotic" because America stopped listening to you guys two years ago. You have lost two elections in a row because you still honestly think that if you can scare the rest of us or make us feel guilty you can continue taking us down the road to destruction.
It's been mentioned many times in these blogs from you guys that America is coming out of the fog. We already came out of the fog in 2006. You chose to stay in the fog and are now making feeble attemtps (by attempting to question ones birth) to pull us back into that fog.
You want us to follow your moral code? Follow it yourself, first and then come talk to me.
Or, as is the case, people who supported Obama are good Americans who wanted a change at the top. But you don't even allow for that, because you don't think it's possible, and since you believe that everything you say or do or write is absolute truth you must be right and everyone who disagrees with you must be wrong.
In another side of what's happening on the right side of the aisle, Mark Samford, governor of South Carolina left five days ago from the capitol and hasn't been seen since. The Liutenant Governor doesn't know where he is. His WIFE doesn't even know where he is. He left on Saturday, missing Father's Day.
His staff has stated they are in contact with him and that he has let them know he will return on Wednesday.
Samford is a potential presidential candidate for the Republican nomination in 2012.
Can you imagine, a president, who after a legislative session just disappears off the job for about a week? Oh, sorry we've already had one of those.